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MSNBC Defends Move to More Talk (Alan Keyes Officially OUT, Three New Leftists IN!)
Los Angeles Times ^ | June 17, 2002 | Elizabeth Jensen

Posted on 06/17/2002 12:33:24 PM PDT by Timesink

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:40 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

As opinion-driven Fox has surged into first place in the ratings race among cable news channels, and more straight-laced CNN has hired well-known on-air talent such as Connie Chung, MSNBC executives have been pleading for money from their corporate bosses, NBC and Microsoft, to make the station more than an embarrassing, money-losing also-ran.

Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes, who got a show just last January, declined to move to MSNBC's daytime lineup and will be off after July 15, the day most changes take effect.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alankeyes; billpress; curtissliwa; jerrynachman; mediabias; msnbc; nbc; nbcnews; patbuchanan; phildonahue; ronkuby
Since it's an LA Times story, you'll have to go here to read the rest of it.

The other two lefties are Bill Press and Ron Kuby, by the way.

FIERCELY INDEPENDENT!

1 posted on 06/17/2002 12:33:24 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink; Amelia; Howlin; Miss Marple; PhiKapMom
Isn't Press and Buchanan hooked up again for a 2 hr afternoon gig? I didn't go read the article but I had read that somewhere else the other day....
2 posted on 06/17/2002 12:37:37 PM PDT by deport
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To: Timesink
Alan Keyes Undergoes Plastic Surgery
3 posted on 06/17/2002 12:40:30 PM PDT by Hillary's Folly
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To: deport
I don't know, but I'll sure miss those pesky little AKIMS transcripts..............NOT !!!!!!!
4 posted on 06/17/2002 12:40:42 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: deport
Read the same thing -- Deep Throat (?) Buchanan versus Press in the afternoon time period!
5 posted on 06/17/2002 12:41:28 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: Timesink
MSDNC
6 posted on 06/17/2002 12:41:53 PM PDT by Lexington Green
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To: Timesink
Alan Keyes had a number of Arab groups complaining about him and putting the pressure on MSNBC to can him. This move was MSNBC's way out. I emailed them about these Arab Islamic groups and giving my support for Alan. So much for an individual who has a pro-Israel position on one of these networks.
7 posted on 06/17/2002 12:42:10 PM PDT by Lent
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis; PhiKapMom
Yep a 2hr gig ...... back in the saddle again....

MSNBC bags new gabbers
Thu Jun 13, 5:55 AM ET

By Craig Offman

NEW YORK (Variety) - In an effort to shore up its schedule for its July 15 revamp -- and displaying an increasing taste for maverick media figures -- MSNBC has hired New York talk-radio veterans Curtis Sliwa and Ron Kuby to host a noon-to-2 p.m. show on the news cable channel.

Sliwa, a founder of the Guardian Angels, is the conservative counterpart to Kuby, a legal advocate of controversial liberal causes.

Following on the heels of that series comes another point-counterpointer, anchored by isolationist Republican Patrick Buchanan ( news - web sites) and former Jerry Brown aide Bill Press. The CNN "Cross-fire" refugees will resume their on-air squabble until 4 p.m.

Though the lineup seems talk-heavy, MSNBC president Erik Sorenson emphasized the need to have experienced gabbers on the air.

"It's partially a response to the news cycle. We have to figure out how to maintain audience levels when there is no crisis," he said. "So when there's breaking news, there'll be less analysis, and when there's no breaking news, there'll be more analysis."

MSNBC, which recently announced that its editor-in-chief Jerry Nachman will have his own 7 p.m. program, will also feature hourly and half-hour news updates.

Reuters/Variety


9 posted on 06/17/2002 12:47:10 PM PDT by deport
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To: WORLD SUCKELS USAS BREAST
As opinion-driven Fox

They're not even right about that. Fox is opinion-driven in prime time, but is largely hard news and serious analysis during the day. MSNBC is essentially trying to turn itself into a 24-hour Crossfire except when big news is breaking. They're becoming even more of a part-time news channel than they already were before.

10 posted on 06/17/2002 12:47:14 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: WORLD SUCKELS USAS BREAST
...and more straight-laced CNN...

I like that one even more...

11 posted on 06/17/2002 12:47:58 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater
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To: Timesink
way to go MSNBC...can you alienate any more potential viewers?
12 posted on 06/17/2002 12:48:34 PM PDT by EBurkefan
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To: deport
"It's partially a response to the news cycle. We have to figure out how to maintain audience levels when there is no crisis," he said. "So when there's breaking news, there'll be less analysis, and when there's no breaking news, there'll be more analysis."

In other words, the exact same strategy MSNBC used when it launched six years ago, except this time they're actually using people the public has heard of instead of know-nothing dot-com pseudohipster twentysomethings. It didn't work in 1996; it's not going to work in 2002.

13 posted on 06/17/2002 12:49:52 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: PhiKapMom; Southflanknorthpawsis
Deep Throat?,........ LOL ....

South.... what transcripts... you mean you actually read them?

14 posted on 06/17/2002 12:50:20 PM PDT by deport
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To: Timesink
I accidentally came up on the Sliwa/Koby show today. I didn't know what the heck was going on - it looked like the host had gone to lunch and left the two guests to run the show.

It's pathetic, it stinks. If this is MSNBC's idea of watchable programming, I bet they're off the air within 2 years.

15 posted on 06/17/2002 12:53:13 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: deport
Everytime I type his name from now on -- it will be caveated! Only thing that makes sense to me! And most likely the reason he left the GOP when he knew this story was going to break one of these days! He is my leading candidate for Deep Throat -- I think those college students nailed it!
16 posted on 06/17/2002 12:57:07 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: redlipstick
Sliwa, a founder of the Guardian Angels, is the conservative counterpart to Kuby, a legal advocate of controversial liberal causes.

Circuses sell.

17 posted on 06/17/2002 12:57:21 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Timesink
I think the real reason that pmsnbc is giving dear Dr. Keyes the boot is that Brian Williams is just sooooo jealous of his tan.

Good for Alan for telling them 'no thanks' on the daytime show.

I hope FOX picks him up. With the miscreant Begala/Carville on cnn, and Phil Donahue in primetime, my TV is guarandamnteed to be lingering on FOX even more than now, which is almost always..

18 posted on 06/17/2002 12:59:56 PM PDT by jwfiv
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To: Lent
Alan Keyes had a number of Arab groups complaining about him and putting the pressure on MSNBC to can him. This move was MSNBC's way out.

He wasn't getting the ratings at night, so they were going to move him to daytime. It looks as though he quit, though:

Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes, who got a show just last January, declined to move to MSNBC's daytime lineup and will be off after July 15, the day most changes take effect.

I guess blaming Arabs and GLAAD sounds more impressive than saying he quit.

19 posted on 06/17/2002 1:02:47 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Timesink
Buchanan back! MSNBC is making sense.

Two opposing viewpoints is better watching than the redundancy or stupidity (like that bow-tied guy getting eaten alive.).

One person-view shows like Keyes and "Factor" just overtalk any guests not following their script. They should get the McLaughlin group too.

20 posted on 06/17/2002 1:08:19 PM PDT by ex-snook
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To: deport
South.... what transcripts... you mean you actually read them?

ROFL !!! Surely you know be better than that. I just read about them.

21 posted on 06/17/2002 1:17:19 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Timesink
FOX NEWS --> FIRE GRETA AND HIRE ALAN KEYES!!!
22 posted on 06/17/2002 1:17:57 PM PDT by SunStar
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To: Amelia
Yep those signatures by the Arab groups scared MSNBC I'm sure..... not

2576 Total Signatures

23 posted on 06/17/2002 1:20:02 PM PDT by deport
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To: Timesink
Ew, Ron Kuby. The only thing good about that is that he is SO far left he is remarkably transparent. Just get him talking about "prisoners rights" or some similar junk and people will change the channel. Either that or put Curtis on with him. :)
24 posted on 06/17/2002 1:20:11 PM PDT by agrace
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis

LOL...

25 posted on 06/17/2002 1:21:52 PM PDT by deport
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To: agrace
he is SO far left<

He's the defense lawyer who represented the blind sheik after the first WTC bombing and also represented Colin Ferguson, the Long Island Railroad murderer.

26 posted on 06/17/2002 1:27:12 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: agrace
"Ron Kuby. The only thing good about that is that he is SO far left he is remarkably transparent"

The show uses the line 'his mommy was a Commie' as a funny. Imagine if they said someone's 'nanny was a Nazi' to get laughs. But NY does not think these two ideologies are both bad.

27 posted on 06/17/2002 1:30:34 PM PDT by ex-snook
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To: Amelia
Maybe.... MAYBE, Dr Keyes will learn a lesson here. You don't talk down to your guests, and you don't talk down to your audience.

He may be a dynamic speaker to the choir, but he looses his point with his arrogance. I could not watch him longer than 3 minutes.He had the same attitude during the election..sitting there inbetween Gore and Bush with that stupid goofy smirk on his face. It is too bad he has that, cause he is not ALL wrong on ALOT of things. He just can't present it right in a t.v. setting. On stage may be another thing.

I am now waiting for the N.A.A.C.P. to say MSNBC is racist. Geez, I hope that don't happen.

28 posted on 06/17/2002 1:32:13 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: Neenah

Huh?... inbetween Gore and Bush...... Which channel did you see that on? Now the smirk I thought was President Bush's trademark.... LOL

29 posted on 06/17/2002 1:37:18 PM PDT by deport
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To: Neenah
I am now waiting for the N.A.A.C.P. to say MSNBC is racist.

Massa MSNBC? ;-)

30 posted on 06/17/2002 1:40:12 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: deport
Gore, McCain....McCain, Gore...

Not really all that much difference.

31 posted on 06/17/2002 1:59:19 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: deport
ROF !! OOPS... It was McCain, right? You mean you never saw the goofy smirk? LOL...he wears it every night. He is angry making a point, and when he is done sayng his statement..here it comes...the big Cheshire cat smile.

Sorry, he is not t.v. material at all.

32 posted on 06/17/2002 2:08:16 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: Neenah
I am now waiting for the N.A.A.C.P. to say MSNBC is racist. Geez, I hope that don't happen.

It'll never happen beacuse Alan Keyes is a conservative!

33 posted on 06/17/2002 2:41:31 PM PDT by rllngrk33
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To: deport
snce they say "isolationist" Buchanan, why aren't they honest enough to say "girlie mouth" Press.
34 posted on 06/17/2002 2:46:16 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Neenah
McCain suffers from the same disease that Tony Snow has...ISS...Inappropriate Smiling Syndrome.
35 posted on 06/17/2002 2:51:00 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Shermy
Isn't Kuby the former Attorney for the WTC bombing defendents? Firing Keyes and hiring Kuby sure balances the political content of MSNBC! Study your Koran children.
36 posted on 06/17/2002 3:18:09 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Timesink
The leftist anchors at CNN and MSNBC are like the casts of the original Star Trek and The Brady Bunch; they are has-beens with only one song to sing and they don't know when to leave the stage.
37 posted on 06/17/2002 3:23:41 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: PhiKapMom
Keyes ratings were pathetic. They really were. Lots of people think MSNBC killed him for ideology. They need to get a clue. MSNBC put him on becuase they thought he would draw the same kind of audience that a Rush Limbaugh draws on Radio. When Keyes got pathetic ratings they killed his show. Welcome to show business. Produce big ratings and the bosses can hate you, but they will still kiss your rump. Produce lousy ratings and the bosses can love you, they will still kill your show. They may sniffle when they fire you, but fire you they will

In fact MSNBC would kill for the ratings Rush's old TV show got. Rush did a lot better than O'Reilly is doing right now. O'Reilly is getting in the low 2.x. Rush was doing fives ans sixes. Three times what 0'Reilly is doing. But Rush was on over the air channels when Rather was doing a 10 or 15 instead of the 5 he is doing today.

The truth is Keyes show was a bust. It opened to a 0.5 rating and went down hill within less than a week. It has consistantly averaged a 0.3. A rating of one means one tv in a hundred is tuned to your show. A 0.3 means only 3 TV's out of a 1000 are tuned to a show. A key to staying on the air is high ratings or growing ratings. A new show rarely has a big audience. If what used to be on in a slot had done well it would still be on the air What is needed is improving ratings. If you start at a dot 5 and a month later you are a dot 6 and a month later you have a dot 7 you are safe. If the trend continues it is only a matter of time untill you are number one. But that is not what Keyes did. He took a dot 5 and made it a dot 3. That always gets you fired.

Keyes performance was just really bad. He has no idea of how to draw an audience. There is no way any programmer with a brain would have put Alan on TV. It is typical of the lack of professionalism of MSNBC that they put such has beens as Donahue, Pat and Press on their air. It is as if the rule to get hired at MSNBC is you must have been a massive failure somewhere else first.

Both radio and TV are entertainment media. To succeed a show must entertain. It is not rocket science. If a show has poor entertainment value it fails. It does not matter if it is news show, music show dramatic show or talk show. It has to entertain or it fails.

MSNBC did not understand that simple fact. Keyes has never been entertaining. Keyes will never be entertaining. He will not have a broadcast career.

38 posted on 06/17/2002 4:34:00 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator
Couldn't agree with you more! I knew the first night the show was in trouble when I followed along on the thread and the biggest thing discussed was the sweater or whatever it was he was wearing. Even his supporters were bored. If they were bored, I knew he was not going to last.

MSNBC sure didn't do their research if they thought they were going to get big ratings from Dr. Keyes. He wasn't that popular throughout the country with all his continual attacks everytime after Pres Bush spoke to the nation when he would come on and be an analyst. That left out for viewers a whole group of people including this one!

Actually I have found Greta to much better than I would have ever thought she would be. Still not my favorite, but she has had some good shows.

39 posted on 06/17/2002 5:35:54 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: ex-snook
Curtis and Kuby have had the morning time slot on on Rush's NY station for 6 years. Recently, an extra hour was added to the show, so it is from 5-10am. I don't know how they will take on another 2 hours a day for MSNBC.

They are an experienced, polished team, and quite good together. Kuby, though often misguided, presents quite cogent analysis of many issues, and I do enjoy listening to him. He also is pretty supportive of gun rights, BTW.

40 posted on 06/19/2002 5:08:41 PM PDT by Ziva
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