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Liberty Is Overrated--Safety Should Be Our First Concern*
Ever Vigilant ^ | 06-19-2002 | Lee R. Shelton IV

Posted on 06/19/2002 11:33:59 AM PDT by sheltonmac

Those worrying about the erosion of liberty in this time of crisis often quote Benjamin Franklin, who said, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." The problem with this advice is that it is well over two centuries old, and no one back then could have imagined the dangers we face today. We are at war and should be expected to sacrifice some liberty for safety.

According to a national poll taken recently by the Institute for Social Research at the University of Michigan, seven out of 10 Americans said that they would give up at least some of their civil liberties to improve security. That shouldn't be at all surprising considering the magnitude of the terrorist threat to our nation as well as the rest of the free world.

The same poll showed that about 90 percent of Americans favor having more police assigned to patrol public areas. 70 percent believe that there should be a law requiring adults to carry a national ID card with their photograph and Social Security number, and roughly half support the idea of random police searches in public places.

It is clear that most of America is behind the president in his effort to eradicate terrorism. The few individuals who are not seem to be those who are clinging too tightly to their precious Constitution. They refuse to give up even the smallest right, when doing so might mean the difference between victory and defeat.

These people, whether they realize it or not, are the terrorists' strongest allies in this war. Any attempt to detract from the plans of our president and his administration is tantamount to treason. If they can't learn the concept of "go along to get along," they need to be silenced. This war needs to be won-no matter what the cost.

When terrorists attacked our shores on Sept. 11, the fear-mongers immediately launched into their tirades against U.S. foreign policy, particularly our support for Israel. They talked about how the actions of our "empire" fueled the hatred of Islamic fundamentalists and how we should adopt a more isolationist position on global matters. All this, of course, is nonsense.

While the United States may have been able to avoid foreign entanglements at one time, we must realize that this is the 21st Century. This is not the world our forefathers knew. The Constitution may have been good enough for a fledgling nation 200 years ago, but we must evolve beyond such a narrow worldview if we hope to remain a global superpower.

Ronald Reagan once called us to be a "city on a hill," a place upon which all eyes of the world would be cast. If we allow a dusty old document like the Constitution to prevent us from doing what is necessary, we shall lose the respect of those who look to our nation as an example of greatness. No, we must maintain our lofty position in the world, and if that means behaving like an empire, so be it. The only alternative would be to succumb to terrorism, and that cannot be an option.

We need to be more positive. We need to be more supportive of our government, especially now. The president should not be criticized for doing his duty as Commander in Chief. Yet, through it all, there are those who not only see the glass of liberty as half-empty, they see it as the wrong beverage. This unpatriotic attitude was evident when President Bush signed the Patriot Act into law.

I feel I should point out that when President Bush signed the Patriot Act, he was doing what nearly half of all registered voters who actually bothered to vote elected him to do-lead. The people of this nation wanted a leader with an iron resolve and this president has shown that he is the man for the job. Rather than get behind the spirit of the Patriot Act, some disgruntled people would rather focus on the ambiguous aspects of the legislation and live in fear of the worst-case scenario.

As the poll above shows, this administration is merely doing the will of the people. Doing anything else would not bode well for the GOP this November. It would also hurt the president's chances of getting re-elected in 2004, and ensuring his re-election is absolutely vital to winning this war on terror. No other politician has shown such dedication and strength of character. Honestly, I shudder to imagine where this country would be without President Bush at the helm.

To those who insist on holding firm to the Constitution and making the government's job harder than it has to be, let me remind you that WE ARE AT WAR. Get behind the president and show your support. All of your worries are unfounded. If history is any indication, every civil liberty you give up now will be promptly restored once this war is over. That's a promise.

Liberty is overrated. Safety is what counts during times of crisis. After all, how can liberty be enjoyed if one cannot feel safe?


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1 posted on 06/19/2002 11:33:59 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: cva66snipe; Askel5; The_Eaglet; ppaul; ex-snook; kidd; Snuffington; Inspector Harry Callahan; ...
BUMP (If there is any confusion, be sure to click on the source link.)
2 posted on 06/19/2002 11:35:44 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: sheltonmac
The problem with this advice is that it is well over two centuries old, and no one back then could have imagined the dangers we face today.

Life expectancy of 45. No antibiotics. Most of America was still In'jun country.

Somehow I think the above statement is completely erroneous.

3 posted on 06/19/2002 11:36:19 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: sheltonmac
You really need to put

BARF ALERT

in the title when you post things like this.

The fact of the matter is this, when the White House was listening to the countrys feelings on a National ID card it was quick to drop any consideration of such an ID because of the outpouring of resentment of even the thought. Thsi was just after the attack when fears ran higher than they do now. The numbers of supposed supporters are totally suspect.

4 posted on 06/19/2002 11:39:07 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER
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To: sheltonmac
If you love the constitution, you are with the terrorists!
5 posted on 06/19/2002 11:39:07 AM PDT by dead
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To: dead
If you love the constitution, you are with the terrorists!

Are you sure this is what you wnated to say???

6 posted on 06/19/2002 11:40:16 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER
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To: sheltonmac
""Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." The problem with this advice is that it is well over two centuries old, and no one back then could have imagined the dangers we face today."

Like we didn't face some of these problems in the War of 1812, the French Indian War, the Mexican American War, WWII.

I think I'll stick with Franklin.

7 posted on 06/19/2002 11:40:42 AM PDT by Kerberos
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To: dead
If you have any privacy!? The terrorists have won!
8 posted on 06/19/2002 11:41:30 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: sheltonmac
Liberty is overrated. Safety is what counts during times of crisis. After all, how can liberty be enjoyed if one cannot feel safe.

Unfortuantely, there are plenty of people who think exactly this way, and we've been there for a long time now.

9 posted on 06/19/2002 11:41:56 AM PDT by Slainte
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To: Kerberos
I think I'll stick with Franklin.

I am with you on this. After all, around the founding it would have been much much easier to commit crime or terror. No real safeguards in place. Heck it was not too long ago you were able to knock on the door of the White House. Interesting that they say there is more danger now, there really is not, it is just more quickly transmitted to the masses that it has happened. I am sure President Lincoln would agree that he experienced terror as did others back then. Their life expectancy was very very low and anyone could have a gun. I say it is the same, just made more sensational.

10 posted on 06/19/2002 11:44:00 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER
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To: dead; Black Agnes
Nice to see that someone got it! ;-)
11 posted on 06/19/2002 11:44:13 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: sheltonmac
This tripe flies in the face of everything that made this nation great to start with: Rugged individualism. Instead, the author whines incessantly about "feeling safe" like some skinny little girl with a bruised knee. If you are waiting for the Feds to save your sorry a$$ like the rest of the sheeple, more power to ya - that way those of us who survive all this won't have to feed you. The only ones that they are going to save are themselves. There are a lot of us out here who don't want Uncle Sam and his long arm of the law supervising our every waking moment. We don't need more cops, we don't need another layer of government to pay for, all we need is for you sheeple to stay alert to stay alive. Quit breathing out of your mouth for a few minutes a day and pay attention to your suroundings. Report anything out of the ordinary. If we all did that, we'd be safe without having every other person in a police uniform. It's called doing your duty as an American - not waiting for someone else to take care of you. FOR ONCE.

This nation could use a little population management - and the author of this is one of those who deserve to be culled.

12 posted on 06/19/2002 11:44:58 AM PDT by 11B3
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To: sheltonmac
I would have more sympathy towards this argument is the government were doing everything they can to protect us without eroding our liberty first, but they aren't. They won't arm pilots. They won't put the military on the border. They won't crackdown on illegal immigration, and speed up deportations. They waste time strip searching grandmas from Iowa, while refusing to pay extra attention to Muslims for fear of being accused of "racial profiling". They won't tell the Saudis that we will not issue any more visas to Saudis as long as they pay suicide bombers, glorify them in their media, and promote Islamic extremism in American mosques. None of this would even require action by Congress, the Bush adminsration could do it on their own. Until they do I can't support further erosion of our freedom.
13 posted on 06/19/2002 11:47:20 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: sheltonmac
I was uncertain of the author’s intentions, until “If history is any indication, every civil liberty you give up now will be promptly restored…”

(though he could certainly find a few total knuckleheads around here who would agree with that statement)

15 posted on 06/19/2002 11:50:29 AM PDT by dead
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To: sheltonmac
"To those who insist on holding firm to the Constitution and making the government's job harder than it has to be, let me remind you that WE ARE AT WAR. Get behind the president and show your support. All of your worries are unfounded. If history is any indication, every civil liberty you give up now will be promptly restored once this war is over. That's a promise.

This has got to be one of most clever trolls I've seen, or the most idiotic screed on FR in recent years. If history is any indication, the constitutional rights sacrificed now WILL NOT BE RESTORED once this 'war' is over. In fact, barring an armed revolution, consitutional rights will likely never be restored.

So, you can go pound sand, Mr Shelton. You are no better than a Communist, if you're willing to give up all your rights for the sake of the mere promise of 'security'. I took an oath to the US Constitution, not to any president, or any political figure. If the US government abandons the US Constitution, then it will be my duty to fight it, as it has become an enemy to the Constitution.

16 posted on 06/19/2002 11:53:02 AM PDT by fogarty
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To: dead; sheltonmac
Of *course* all those nice little liberties will be restored...just as soon as we WIN WIN WIN! Let's ROLL!!!
17 posted on 06/19/2002 11:53:29 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: sheltonmac
"...After all, how can liberty be enjoyed if one cannot feel safe?..."

"Arbeit Macht Frei."

18 posted on 06/19/2002 11:53:41 AM PDT by gatex
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To: sheltonmac
LIBERTY IS OVERATED?!!!!!?!?!?!! An absolutely unfathomable statement. I am speechless!!
19 posted on 06/19/2002 11:53:43 AM PDT by PISANO
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To: sheltonmac
(If there is any confusion, be sure to click on the source link.)

Indeed. Nice source.

*NOTE: This is a satirical piece designed to expose the twisted logic of the "win at all costs" crowd, and the views expressed herein should not be confused with the actual beliefs of the author.

20 posted on 06/19/2002 11:54:49 AM PDT by SpottedBeaver
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To: fogarty
From the source:

"*NOTE: This is a satirical piece designed to expose the twisted logic of the "win at all costs" crowd, and the views expressed herein should not be confused with the actual beliefs of the author."

--Lee R. Shelton IV

21 posted on 06/19/2002 11:55:18 AM PDT by freeeee
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To: freeeee
At least make them hunt for it.
22 posted on 06/19/2002 11:56:22 AM PDT by SpottedBeaver
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To: fogarty; dead
Um, I'm pretty sure this is satire! lol
23 posted on 06/19/2002 11:56:59 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: freeeee
You probably tell people how magicians do magic tricks too. 8)
24 posted on 06/19/2002 11:57:07 AM PDT by dead
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To: sheltonmac
Did the author steal these lines from serious posts on Free Republic? He certainly could have.

"Any attempt to detract from the plans of our president and his administration is tantamount to treason. This war needs to be won-no matter what the cost.

We need to be more supportive of our government, especially now. The president should not be criticized for doing his duty as Commander in Chief.

As the poll above shows, this administration is merely doing the will of the people. Doing anything else would not bode well for the GOP this November. It would also hurt the president's chances of getting re-elected in 2004, and ensuring his re-election is absolutely vital to winning this war on terror. No other politician has shown such dedication and strength of character. Honestly, I shudder to imagine where this country would be without President Bush at the helm.

Let me remind you that WE ARE AT WAR. Get behind the president and show your support."

25 posted on 06/19/2002 11:57:16 AM PDT by jasonalvarez
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To: freeeee
Ahh. As I guessed then. Evidently this author has read up on the subject of 'strategic trolling' in some of Claire Wolfe's books.
26 posted on 06/19/2002 11:57:17 AM PDT by fogarty
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To: dead
It was kinda vague in spots. Needed more overt satire.
27 posted on 06/19/2002 11:58:07 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: jasonalvarez
Ain't that the truth. Beware, though, the bushbots will be along shortly to start chiming in...(and confirm exactly what this satire is meant to convey)
28 posted on 06/19/2002 11:59:07 AM PDT by fogarty
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Here is Mr.Shelton IV's Bio.

Lee R. Shelton IV is a graduate of Northwestern College in St. Paul, MN with a Bachelor's degree in Psychology. He resides in Minneapolis, MN with his wife, Dawn. A conservative Christian, he has a passion for politics and strong opinions on issues that affect our everyday lives. His personal Web site, with news, informative links, and commentaries, can be found at http://www.evervigilant.net/

Lee R. Shelton IV

Another idiot trumpets for an end to "OUR CONSTITUTION"!

29 posted on 06/19/2002 11:59:20 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: sheltonmac
"As the poll above shows, this administration is merely doing the will of the people."

So were the Nazis......

L

30 posted on 06/19/2002 12:00:29 PM PDT by Lurker
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To: dead
I think I'll stick with Franklin as well. Rather than get behind the spirit of the Patriot Act, some disgruntled people would rather focus on the ambiguous aspects of the legislation and live in fear of the worst-case scenario. Yea, right .... Famous quotes to remember From Presidents: "I won't raise taxes" (GWB sr) " I'll respect you in the morning ...." (X42) Same out come ....
31 posted on 06/19/2002 12:01:48 PM PDT by Marobe
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To: Kerberos
I think I'll stick with Franklin

Roger that, any day of the week! The problem is that the knuckleheads vote, and are in the majority. The Republic is almost dead now. As Claire Wolfe said, we're in that awkward stage.

32 posted on 06/19/2002 12:01:48 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: sheltonmac
"To those who insist on holding firm to the Constitution and making the government's job harder than it has to be"

Those of us who uphold the Constitution don't have much problem with the War on Terror.

It's the Socialists who think the Constitution means whatever they say, and invent bizarre liberal rights for themselves, who do.

33 posted on 06/19/2002 12:02:31 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: ICE-FLYER; dead; sheltonmac
Yep, and I whole heartedly agree. Even here at work I have all but been called a terrorist when I mention the Constitution. I hear constantly 'but we're at war' and 'we need to get them sons of guns'. While I agree that the terrorist situation in the Middle East does need to be addressed, and I do agree that Bush has done more than X42, Bush has also taken upon himself and the general government responsibilities and powers that no POTUS in history, and that includes X16, would ever dream the general government would handle.

Look at SCOTUS and Bush just within the past three days. No rights if you use public transportation, no rights to join with others in a local community to prevent unwanted prospectors on your own private property, government purchase of thousands of homes for those 'less fortunate'(read in the exact words of Bush, minorities), government buyback of private property, and etc. Heck I just quit counting them

34 posted on 06/19/2002 12:02:48 PM PDT by billbears
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To: sheltonmac
Your idea of humor? What is it about Americans being protected from sick Islamist killers bothers you anti-government whiners so much?
35 posted on 06/19/2002 12:04:10 PM PDT by xvb
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To: sheltonmac
"The few individuals who are not seem to be those who are clinging too tightly to their precious Constitution."

The government has all the power it needs, under the Constitution, to deal with terrorism.

"Liberty is overrated. Safety is what counts during times of crisis. After all, how can liberty be enjoyed if one cannot feel safe?"

That's a compelling argument for city-dwellers, who know nothing of self-reliance or independance. For us in the frontier and the rural communities, it's nonsense. "Safe" is the rifle on the wall, the hogleg hanging at one's hip and a skilled, confident user. Neighbors who know and watch out for each other. Safe is not airport shakedowns, federal checkpoints, national ID cards, ill-named Acts and National Guard on every street corner in Bugtussle.

So, lock down your cities if you desire. If there are any targets of consequence, that's where you'll find most of them anyhow, not out in the sticks. Let the governors and mayors decide the level of risk in their communities and act accordingly. Let the fedgov advise, not dictate.

Rest assured, if we run across any terrorists out here, we'll take them aside, and explain to them the principle of the "three-S's". Then there will be no problem at all.

If the author and his ilk have a problem with the Constitution and people like me, burn the former and shoot the latter (if you dare), because it is indeed better to die standing up, than to beg for mercy on one's knees.

36 posted on 06/19/2002 12:05:10 PM PDT by Washington_minuteman
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To: Sir Gawain; dead
These days on FR, you need a blinking banner to alert of the satire in the post to make sure you don't get a dozen replies that are off the mark.
37 posted on 06/19/2002 12:05:41 PM PDT by FreeTally
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To: Lurker
I do not know where to begin. It is precisely for those times when the “will of the people” is against liberty that the Bill of Rights were created. That’s the underlying concern with a democracy…the tyranny of the majority. I expect this drivel from a Democrat, but this writer claims to be a conservative Christian. Sometimes I feel like giving up.
38 posted on 06/19/2002 12:06:07 PM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: FreeTally
But those replies are always the most fun.
39 posted on 06/19/2002 12:06:42 PM PDT by dead
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To: sheltonmac
"Give me Liberty or give me Death"! Hunnnn don't see security mentioned here. Sure sounds like a suicide pack to me......Anyone home at the US Supreme Court?
40 posted on 06/19/2002 12:10:38 PM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: Washington_minuteman
"If the author and his ilk have a problem with the Constitution and people like me, burn the former and shoot the latter (if you dare), because it is indeed better to die standing up, than to beg for mercy on one's knees."

I second that amendment.

All in favor say aye.

41 posted on 06/19/2002 12:11:10 PM PDT by G.Mason
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To: sheltonmac
"*NOTE: This is a satirical piece designed to expose the twisted logic of the "win at all costs" crowd, and the views expressed herein should not be confused with the actual beliefs of the author.

--Lee R. Shelton IV

You forgot to post this tiny little bit.

L

42 posted on 06/19/2002 12:13:16 PM PDT by Lurker
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To: G.Mason
Those worrying about the erosion of liberty in this time of crisis often quote Benjamin Franklin, who said, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." The problem with this advice is that it is well over two centuries old, and no one back then could have imagined the dangers we face today.

I do not expect such a comment from a Christian. While our world certainly is ever-changing, human nature is not. We Christians have a Bible full of stories from thousands of years ago, but the lessons are as applicable today as they were back then.

43 posted on 06/19/2002 12:13:21 PM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: dead
Pass the popcorn, they're still going.
44 posted on 06/19/2002 12:13:47 PM PDT by SpottedBeaver
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To: Lurker
Thank God. I fell for it, hook, line and sinker. I think I can sleep again tonight!
45 posted on 06/19/2002 12:14:57 PM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: billbears
we are At War now
do no Wrong, Nothing to Fear
it's for The Children
46 posted on 06/19/2002 12:16:17 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: FreeTally
"These days on FR, you need a blinking banner to alert of the satire in the post to make sure you don't get a dozen replies that are off the mark."

Try this.........It's night time...your walking on a dark, deserted street...You feel someone stick something in your back and say "stick 'em up"...you whip around and put 4 holes in the guy with your concealed .380... he falls dead at your feet...turns out he was a kid fooling with you and it was his finger he stuck in your back...Is he still dead?

47 posted on 06/19/2002 12:19:13 PM PDT by G.Mason
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To: sheltonmac

need I say more?

48 posted on 06/19/2002 12:20:10 PM PDT by Hail Caesar
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To: sheltonmac
After all, how can liberty be enjoyed if one cannot feel safe?

How can one enjoy life when one is soooooo stupid?

Oh, I see he's got a BS degree. (wink, wink)

49 posted on 06/19/2002 12:20:31 PM PDT by SGCOS
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To: G.Mason
Methinks thou didst fail to peruse post #20.
50 posted on 06/19/2002 12:21:51 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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