Posted on 06/20/2002 10:22:07 AM PDT by thatcher
There you go again, misrepresenting what I wrote. I did not write that Christians and Jews find it difficult to live with each other because of their religions. Why would I do that when for both of those religions their second most important commandment is to 'love ones neighbor as one loves one self'. It's Islam that find's no support within it's own Koran to co-exist on equal terms with those of other religions, or those who chose no religion at all.
I wrote that the "Shari'a (Islamic law)" forbids coexistence with other religions, and I will add that it considers any person but a Muslim to be an Infidel and that the "Shari'a (Islamic law)" councils conversion even if forcible or death. I am sure that there are many Moslems in westernized nations where the Shari'a (Islamic law) is not the state law, who are able to choose to modify the terms by which they live their religion. But the underlying current and force of the religion, the orthodox statements in the Koran and the Sharia (Islamic law) are as I stated earlier, above.
In countries that are not yet officially ruled by Shari'a (Islamic law), yet support a close majority of Muslims, there are constant political skirmishes involved in fighting off the change to Sharia (Islamic law). Please see post #19, "Turkey's messy political system suffered another jolt today when the country's highest court banned the religious-oriented Virtue Party. The court said the main opposition party violated a law that prohibited religious activities that could undermine the secular government." 'Turkish Court Bans Religious Party, Main Opposition Force', New York Times; New York, N.Y.; Jun 23, 2001; By Douglas Frantz; New York Times Company Jun 23, 2001
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Posted on 6/2/02 3:15 AM Pacific by leadpenny
Transcript for Tuesday, June 18, 2002 excerpt
http://www.msnbc.com/news/769484.asp?cp1=1
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BOB ARNOT, MSNBC CORRESPONDENT: Yes Alan, you‘re right. You know, you get no sense from just hearing it. And I heard the sirens first thing in the morning in Jerusalem, and I made my way out to the site and the first thing I saw looking through the window of this bus is this beautiful arm of this young woman, and I could see her blouse, but she had been decapitated.
I came around the side to where the body bags are — one, two, three, four, all the way up to 19, and tragically on the front of the bags you see the picture of a young student the same age as my kids who did nothing but get up to go to school in the morning. And then the technicians would come over and bring a foot or hand over a piece of hair and put it into the bag.
Parents crying hysterically at the line unable to come and to find out whether that was their children or not. Two young boys who came up to me said, we were on the bus behind this. We were going to go to school. We don‘t know what to do. We‘re so scared. Do we go to school? Do we stay here? Where are my parents? I don‘t know what to do.
And the thing is you look down at these body bags, and these are not long body bags. They‘re short body bags because these are children — children going to a school that‘s about a half-a-mile away.
The bus itself looked like someone had taken a can opener and taken the top off it. We talked to the hospital. When these kids came in, it wasn‘t just a matter of a bomb, but they had nails, and now they have ball bearings in it. So when the orthopedic surgeons looked on the X-ray, they saw nails and screws.
And what they‘ve done, is they‘ve doubled the impact. They‘ve been able to double the fatalities in these recent attacks using not just mega-bombs with more explosives, but by having all of the shrapnel that goes into them.
And most grevious of all, they‘ve actually used, in past attacks, rat poisoning, which means you‘re going to bleed more than you otherwise would. And now the surgeons at the hospital tell us they‘re trying to use, or about to use chemical warfare agents within these.
(CROSSTALK)
KEYES: Now that means — a lot of these things mean that the shrapnel gets into you, and if you don‘t die right away, the effect of the shrapnel can cause your death later on, right?
ARNOT: It can. We interviewed three boys from the last bombing, 15-year olds, 14-year old, 13-year old boy. One boy I saw as he woke up from a coma with his mother hugging him, crying as his eyes finally opened. He had stones in him that they used in one bone; stones that had dirt and muck on it where they had to take every single one out that would cause rejection and infection as time went out, that this isn‘t a military advice (ph), there‘s no air force or army in the world that‘s designed something like this. This is something that‘s meant to humiliate and destroy the lives of these children.
You know 17 dead, but 50 injured and these are — each one of these 50 injured, there are hundreds of lives that are ruined where these children are going to be in rehabilitation centers, where they‘re going to be walking around with an arm — or without an arm or a leg. I mean, it‘s the greatest tragedy. I mean, as you say it‘s not a number. It‘s not a number, because you look at the face...
KEYES: Well...
ARNOT: ... of these parents.
KEYES: ... tell me something. In terms of what you have seen, what is the mentality that would go into to designing a bomb like this?
This is what I don‘t understand. Ordinarily you‘re dealing with folks that want to achieve a military result. Weapons are intended to try to inflict damage on an enemy so that you can bring the battle to an end. This doesn‘t seem to have anything to do with that.
What is going on with this...
ARNOT: Well I‘m here in Ramallah now on the West Bank. I‘ve spoken to students here. I‘ve spoken to students in Saudi Arabia.
And what they say, when I challenge them and say, what does it do to you? Doesn‘t it break your heart to see these children in the streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem who‘ve been blown up by bombs?
And they turn very cold-heartedly and they say, you know, we don‘t have jet airplanes. We don‘t have Howitzers, we don‘t have tanks. All we have is our bodies. We hurt inside, and we‘re going to go and we‘re going to use our bodies.
Now the chilling thing that‘s changed, Alan, is that it used to be we heard they did this out of desperation. Now we hear they do this because of hope — hope that they‘re finally going to have an impact and that their side is going to win.
And when I talk to kids here the same age as the children on that bus, Palestinian kids here, they will tell me, they‘ll say you know what, we think we‘re finally winning, and we think we‘re going to push them into the ocean. We‘re not talking about a settlement for just the West Bank. We believe we can push them into the ocean.
And when you challenge them on that...
KEYES: Well but that...
ARNOT: ... they say...
KEYES: If I may interrupt for one second, though — because it seems to me that “push them into the ocean” is a euphemism. What I detect in this kind of a weapon is a will to exterminate, a will utterly to obliterate the humanity in its manifestation in the body of the person that you‘re dealing with.
That‘s why it chills me to the very core of my soul. And it is something that I just think it‘s so horrifying that I can‘t imagine the kind of mentality that produces it.
ARNOT: It is. I mean, you listen to both sides, and you hear both sides. You hear them say that they hurt and that they‘ve been humiliated and that they‘ve had all of these deaths, and that their children have been shot too.
But it‘s only when you walk on a scene like this and you see the body bags and you see the pictures of these pretty little children who are dead and the parents cry inconsolably wondering whether it‘s their child or not.
It‘s only when you come on that scene and you don‘t see a number and you don‘t (UNINTELLIGIBLE). If you look there at the body bag on the floor and you see the reality, what the vision is of these suicide bombers.
KEYES: Yes. Bob, thank you so much. I appreciate...
ARNOT: You‘re welcome Alan.
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