Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

California School Bans the Game of Tag (says it lowers 'self-esteem')
Fox Channel ^ | Thursday. June 20, 2002. | Anita Vogel

Posted on 06/21/2002 4:06:48 AM PDT by spetznaz

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:34:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SANTA MONICA

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Announcements; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Free Republic; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: california; game; schools; tag
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-59 next last
Comment #21 Removed by Moderator

To: spetznaz
The educrats can’t seem to get it through their thick skulls that self-esteem is earned not taught.
22 posted on 06/21/2002 6:05:55 AM PDT by consultant
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
Little kids were coming in and saying 'I don't like it.' [The] children weren't feeling good about it"

Too bad, this is life. I am so glad we left California. The liberal, softies are running the State and it ain't a pretty sight!

23 posted on 06/21/2002 6:09:26 AM PDT by Lucky2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: consultant
I think the schools are pretty close to coming out and explicitly saying what we already perceive: "We abandon all efforts at teaching children anything as we feel that such efforts are inherently damaging to their self-esteem."
24 posted on 06/21/2002 6:18:25 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
Here she is

Hmmm... Why would this women dislike athletic competition?

25 posted on 06/21/2002 7:33:07 AM PDT by moyden
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
We are raising a generation of ninnies.
26 posted on 06/21/2002 7:47:25 AM PDT by GnL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
Why does it always seem to be women in positions of influence who are doing this? They are effectively feminizing the schools, as well as our boys.
27 posted on 06/21/2002 7:54:04 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: moyden
E-Gad. Why indeed.
28 posted on 06/21/2002 8:11:45 AM PDT by MJemison
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
TAG damages self-esteem? HA!

I think it will be a Hell of a lot MORE damaging when Precious Little Snowflake graduates with a 4.0 (due to grade inflation -- can't flunk the little dears, it makes them feel bad about themselves), and realizes that the real, adult world doesn't care about your self esteem.

Adults need to be able to accept defeat occasionally.
Adults need to be educated.
Adults don't get to whine that it's not fair, because someone else is better at something.

The educational system needs to cycle up its two-speed weedwhacker of a brain and start actually TEACHING children. We have an entire generation of children who think everything should be served to them on a silver platter, engraved with "For Your Self-Esteem."

29 posted on 06/21/2002 8:23:18 AM PDT by Malacoda
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
So what happens to these kids when they grow up and are in a win or lose situation as an entrepeneur, business owner or even an employee? Another idea, would they know what a win-win situation is?

Oops. What did I miss out on in school?

30 posted on 06/21/2002 8:34:53 AM PDT by Salvation
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
(banging head on desk in frustration) anyone wanna float me a loan to get the hell outta this sickening state????????
31 posted on 06/21/2002 8:56:53 AM PDT by goodieD
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marrsstar4
They might call it tag, because they can't call it what it really is at that age level - Smear the Queer. Ah, the memories! (This at a California scool in 1978) (For those of you who are sadly unfamiliar with this great game, the idea is that you have one person, with the ball, who is the queer, and one hundred other people, all trying to get the ball away from him by any means they can come up with. Of course, once you have the ball, you're the queer....)
32 posted on 06/21/2002 10:16:42 AM PDT by Technocrat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: goodieD
I perused through your (rather funny and interesting)profile and i noticed that you home school your kids. I have to say that is a great idea (for those who know how to pull that off with efficacy) since your kids will probably be more intelligent than the children who have the (dis)-pleasure of going through the public school system.

I guess it is either home school your kids or scrimp and save and send them to some elitist private school. Anything apart from Private school and Homeschooling (read Public school) is simply a slow form of attrition on the child.

And do not get me wrong....there are many who go through public school and become assertive self-motivated exemplars who perform excently in their life pursuits...but sadly such people coming out of public school is becoming a great rarity! Rarer than a four leafed clover!

Actually that reminds me of something i saw this morning. They were showing a profile of this gent who started a company called 'Girls Gone Wild' on some news channel....and in essence what his company does is tell college students to lift up their shirts and expose their breasts. Well....the founder of GGW became a millionaire when he was 24 due to the income accruing from the sales of the videos. Now you may wonder....what did the girls get from their 'efforts?'

A T-Shirt! That's all! A simply white T-Shirt with the company's name written on front (for them to tell their friends what they did)!

Now my question is this: this not the product of an education system that makes people, in this particular case girls, so dumb that they do see anything wrong in someone making multi-millions out of their breasts when all they get is a silly T-Shirt? As in comeone.....how slow can these girls get! Although i am sure their math skills are so atrophied that they probably do not know how many zeros a million has! And i can asure you nearly all those girls went through public school...actually i can even go as far as say ALL of them are the 'prime products' of pubic...oooops, public school!

33 posted on 06/21/2002 10:27:00 AM PDT by spetznaz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
If you are referring to Ayn Rand, i thought her novels were the opposite of the p*ssyfication advocated by that school system.

True, but they also had socialist/liberal types in them as bad guys, who were doing all they could to p***yfy the world through taxes, punishment of success, oppressive laws, etc.

Just as Orwell's "1984" is one of the most instructive overviews of totalitarianism ever written (despite being "just" a novel), Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" is the best illustration of the results of budding socialism/communism. The novel contains an entire inventory of all the ways that the socialists/communists attempt to destroy capitalism and individualism. And the successive stages and long-term results of those agendas are shown in the course of the novel.

It's a real eye-opener for people who haven't given socioeconomics much prior thought.

And it's scary that although the events in the book seemed like science fiction when I first read it in 1982, all too much of it reads like today's headlines now.

She was extremely Nietzschean and quite Machiavellian.....unless i am mistaken.

Um... Not really. Both of those imply a "screw you to get mine" outlook, which is very definitely *not* part of her philosophy. In "Atlas Shrugged", especially, there's a very strong code of honor involved which specifically forbids defrauding or stealing from anyone, or even mooching or accepting charity.

34 posted on 06/21/2002 10:30:23 AM PDT by Dan Day
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: chemicalman
Am I to assume that Smear the Queer has already been banned at this school?
35 posted on 06/21/2002 10:35:06 AM PDT by doctor noe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Technocrat
That reminds me of this game we used to play that was a morph of tag merged with 'something' that was out of some war criminal's mind!

In essence the game had two parts: the first was your usual tag, where one person would try to tag an individual from a group! But then at a pre-arranged time the tempo changed, and the game became a variation of a mob slaying!

Essentially the person who is tagged becomes the hunted instead of the hunter as the whole group starts chasing him (it was always a him for obvious reasons eg we wanted girlfriends and thus had to act nice to them). And it was not just chasing but we would also have carte blanch to hit and kick and punch and.....(fill in your favorite physical blow) him until he could reach some pre-set point where he would be safe from the group assault!

The thing is that sometimes we would set the safe zone quite far from where we were playing the game.....sometimes even outside school grounds! And then the chase would be on.

And the thing is that all of us (at elast the ones i still know....most of us are in college now) turned out pretty well, and we have been outperforming most people we come across (the reason i put most and not all is because i may get accused of hyperbole). And we are not anti-social or suffering from any 'social evils' because we know it was all a GAME! And we were not picking on anyone....and we did not get 'depressed' if we were too slow and got tagged! Gosh, i know several folks who wanted to get tagged just so they could be chased!

However if we had tried that in the state of Californication we would probably have been expelled and sent to jail for 'cruel and unusual punishment.' After all they would have preferred for us to get some Barbie dolls and play kissy with them!

36 posted on 06/21/2002 10:37:01 AM PDT by spetznaz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz; freedom9
I don't think he means that Rand would endorse this, but would have a system like this as the antagonist. Sort of like a police state being 'Orwellian', because Orwell used one as his villian.
37 posted on 06/21/2002 10:39:24 AM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: spetznaz
"We had some children who were not playing 'it' appropriately. How do you differentiate between those that are playing correctly and those that aren't?" asked Franklin Elementary School Principal Pat Samarge.

Well, how about pulling aside any kid who's playing inappropriately and punishing the kid? I guess if a kid tips over the checkers board on a rain day, we have to ban checkers too.

38 posted on 06/21/2002 10:43:14 AM PDT by yendu bwam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Technocrat
Memories indeed! Our version didn't require the posession of any certain object. You just yelled out someones name and they ran like hell until getting pounded!! The last one off the ground is the new queer to be smeared.
39 posted on 06/21/2002 10:49:50 AM PDT by DancesWithTrout
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: FreedomFriend
Why does it always seem to be women in positions of influence who are doing this? They are effectively feminizing the schools, as well as our boys.

You bet. Just had an argument with our (female) school principal who wanted to ban poison ball. Why? One kid (a boy) got hit on his ear, and it turned red. I say, let each parent decide whether their kids can play these games. I WANT my sons to get bruised occasionally and to learn how to get up and keep going. They're black belts in karate, and they belong to Boy Scouts, which is one of the last non-wimp kids' organizations around. In scouts, my sons have spent hours paddling canoes in cold pouring rain, they've climbed mountains and rappelled back down, they've camped in below zero weather, and they've dealt with several emergency situations that required quick thinking and toughness. And they're turning into young men. A lot of the schools are either being feminized or queerized. And it serves our sons poorly.

40 posted on 06/21/2002 10:52:18 AM PDT by yendu bwam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-59 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson