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BIN LADEN'S JULY 4 TERROR BROADCAST
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Posted on 06/22/2002 7:55:04 PM PDT by RCW2001

Osama bin Laden is to give another televised address to the world.

The al-Qaeda leader is to deliver a hate-filled video on July 4, American Independence Day.

The announcement was made on the Arabic Sahab website which issues daily information on the war in Afghanistan.

Bin Laden was pictured on the site, kneeling between two al-Qaeda officials.

His spokesman Sulaiman Abu Ghaith says: "America should get ready and fasten its safety belt.

"We will come to them from where they don't expect. Yes, we will wage attacks but at the right time, at the place we want, in the way we please."

On Friday the FBI were taking seriously a Lebanese-born man's claims to have overheard a mobile phone conversation in Arabic about an attack on Las Vegas.

But yesterday they said they had no evidence of any threat on July 4.

According to Michael Hamdan, the speakers said: ``"We are here in the city of corruption...the city of gambling and prostitution, the city of the unbelievers.

The warlord, who was behind the September 11 attacks on New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon, has not been heard from since he was detected on December 11 at his eastern Afghan hideout in Tora Bora.

American intelligence sources believe he is surrounded by al-Qaeda's high command either in Afghanistan or Pakistan. The FBI has also been tracing another website, alneda. com, the mouthpiece for al-Qaeda.

The site has audio and video clips of bin Laden and photographs of al-Qaeda suspects in detention in Pakistan.

There also appear to be coded messages for followers to transmit instructions for attacks.

It has been closed down twice by US intelligence forces after appearing in Malaysia and Texas.

Earlier this month the site posted a message of condolence from terrorist and Taliban chief Mullar Mohammed Omar after the death of a Pakistan scholar.

It was revealed yesterday that the man believed to have recruited September 11 hijacker Mohammed Atta to al-Qaeda was investigated in 1999.

Mohammed Haydar Zammar, 41, attracted the attention of German intelligence after making contact with bin Laden's suspected financial chief.

Zammar was arrested in Morocco this week along with other suspected al- Qaeda members, including Abu Zubair al-Haili.

Al-Haili is thought to have been pivotal in training hijackers for September 11.


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1 posted on 06/22/2002 7:55:04 PM PDT by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
Time to get out that old shockwave binary of bin-laden liquors.
2 posted on 06/22/2002 8:01:30 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: RCW2001
The time has come to let it be known that we are targeting a few of our ICBM's on Mecca and Medina, and that we will fire if any further attacks are made on America or American interests.
3 posted on 06/22/2002 8:01:37 PM PDT by per loin
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To: RCW2001
On Friday the FBI were taking seriously a Lebanese-born man's claims to have overheard a mobile phone conversation in Arabic about an attack on Las Vegas.

I heard ealier Saturday, that they debunked this guy.

4 posted on 06/22/2002 8:08:21 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
First off, believe nothing until the Binnie Boy shows his face in a new video.

I'm still betting he got wasted by a Daisy Cutter. I don't care what these people are telling you. Bin Laden has a huge ego to compensate for his tiny penis. That he was off the air for six months raises some real suspicions on my part.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

5 posted on 06/22/2002 8:12:21 PM PDT by section9
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To: per loin
It'll never happen. We'll trash the Constitution once and for all before we let go of "multiculturalism." We'll hold on to "multiculturalism" to the death.
6 posted on 06/22/2002 8:12:52 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I saw the Mayor of Las Vegas wanting to strangle him.
7 posted on 06/22/2002 8:12:55 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: per loin
Some people would tell you that those kind of tactics would never work. But I on the other hand think if we said we would blow Mecca off the map in the event of another attack on our soil that the threat would indefinitely deter another immediate terrorist attack. A threat like that would have immediate effects on the entire Muslim world. And although they would almost definitely use the threat as propaganda throughout the Middle East I still think that we wouldnt see anymore terrorist attacks. I personally could care less about how those people 'over there' feel about us as long as they didnt bring their arguments 'over here' and I think that this kind of threat would accomplish exactly the right things.
8 posted on 06/22/2002 8:13:36 PM PDT by fiftymegaton
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To: the_right_way
I gotta figure that July 4th is too tempting for the Jihadi not to attack.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

10 posted on 06/22/2002 8:19:44 PM PDT by section9
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To: section9
Benny has cancer, too. I have my doubts that he's alive. Anyway, why does it take one mastermind to figure out how to conduct acts of terror???? This is something that has baffled me since 9/11. Couldn't they have caused mass hysteria by now? Why did a few guys hijacking a couple of airplanes with knives take so much agonizing planning and direction?

If one of these guys wanted to hold up a service station, it seems like they would have to triangulate a satellite connection with Osama Ben Laden in some cave in Central Asia, and then Ben Laden would have a big powwow in another cave in Central Asia, which would be videoptaped, and they would say things like, "money will come to us like a torrent, from a small place. We have a brother in place, and he has fire in his hand. IN the land of the unbelievers, he will hit and run, and the infidels' money will be in his clutches." Then, the man will go to the service station, and do his deed, but he'll try to use a flare gun with a shotgun shell, and he'll fail miserably. It's bizarre! I guess they're just so nuts, that they're really quite inefficient. Too bad there's so dang many of them, or they'd be about as much of a threat as the KKK.

11 posted on 06/22/2002 8:21:40 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: RCW2001
Tales from the crypt?
12 posted on 06/22/2002 8:21:44 PM PDT by lawdude
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To: the_right_way
Since Independence Day is so symbolic of America and what it stands for, I believe that the terrorists would target this one day above all others. Since there will be huge groups of people congregating in the major cities for fireworks, etc., there is cause for concern. Still, I plan to carry out my normal routine on that day and so should everybody else. I plan to be in Boston, along the Charles River along with 600,000 other people.
14 posted on 06/22/2002 8:25:32 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I heard ealier Saturday, that they debunked this guy.

Apparently he was telling a tall tale. I heard that, too.

15 posted on 06/22/2002 8:26:26 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: per loin
And while we're at it, take out Al-Jazerra too.
16 posted on 06/22/2002 8:26:37 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: fiftymegaton
Well I think the best defence is good offence....hit em first and hard, leave them nothing to attack with ...that'll shut them the f up. I'm sick of waiting around for them to make a move.

And they better get their mooslims buds outta here before they try attacking us again cause this melting pot is stewing and ready to blow.
17 posted on 06/22/2002 8:26:43 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: the_right_way
I think attacks could happen around the 4th.

I just thought of a easy way they could get us, but will not say it, no way.

Let's hope political correctness & being too nice to people who could be turncoats doesn't take our country down........

18 posted on 06/22/2002 8:26:49 PM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001
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To: section9
That he was off the air for six months raises some real suspicions on my part.

I'm not sure that he is not alive and if he isn't...why should he hurry to prove it?

We are spending multi-billions on anti-terrorism measures,
we are, all but daily, alarming our populace with 'new threats',
we are eroding the confidence in our financial markets with these threats,
and we have all but suspended the Constitution...

I really don't think he would be 'in a hurry' while watching this 'parade' by pass...

19 posted on 06/22/2002 8:26:54 PM PDT by RCW2001
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To: edmund929
The message was sent through secret diplomatic channels.Mecca and Medina would be irradiated and made un-inhabitable for centuries...The US should do the same and send a similar message to the Saudis, Iranians, Syrians etal.

Maybe such a message already has been put out by the Bush Administration and that might explain why nothing of significance has occurred on American soil since 9/11.

Well, one can hope.

20 posted on 06/22/2002 8:28:23 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: per loin
The best idea I've heard.
21 posted on 06/22/2002 8:28:58 PM PDT by Pushi
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To: fiftymegaton
I tend to agree with your #8
22 posted on 06/22/2002 8:29:56 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Typical FBI. I think this guy is 100% honest.
23 posted on 06/22/2002 8:30:31 PM PDT by Pushi
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To: fiftymegaton
You are wise beyond your 20 year age.
25 posted on 06/22/2002 8:33:01 PM PDT by Pushi
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To: the_right_way
Me.
26 posted on 06/22/2002 8:33:30 PM PDT by Pushi
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To: the_right_way
Just curious, But, How many people here think that on the 4th of July we will see a terrorist act on U.S interests and/or U.S soil?

I think they have something planned. They seem to like symbolism, and what better day to plan something than on the birthday of America. Hopefully we're on to them, though. They took us by surprise on 9/11 - but everybody is waiting for them this time, there are millions of eyes and ears looking for them. God Bless America.

27 posted on 06/22/2002 8:34:00 PM PDT by Jennifer in Florida
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Could be. Especially if the mayor was really mad. Hey, comments like that would destroy business in Vegas over the 4th, so better say it's garbage, no?

Go shopping! Go shopping, go shopping!

28 posted on 06/22/2002 8:36:24 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: SouthernFreebird
"..cause this melting pot is stewing and ready to blow."

This is great! You're absolutely right.

29 posted on 06/22/2002 8:38:04 PM PDT by Jennifer in Florida
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To: edmund929
We would have to be willing to follow through on that threat. They'd have to poll-test it.
30 posted on 06/22/2002 8:38:12 PM PDT by Huck
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To: SpaceBar
This one?
31 posted on 06/22/2002 8:38:13 PM PDT by Flyer
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To: RCW2001
...we are, all but daily, alarming our populace with 'new threats',...

The government is not making the threats, it is simply giving us all the information so that we may decide what is a valid threat and what is not.

Oh please, oh please big government, withhold information from us so that we may be protected from our alarmist selves -- is that your opinion?

32 posted on 06/22/2002 8:39:41 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Jennifer in Florida
I'm am of the thought that they will not strike when we are anticipating it, i.e., 9-11. They could most likely wait another year or so before the next hit...after the, I hate to use the phrase, 'novelty' has worn off.

The fact that we are running around as 'headless chickens' right now...is terrorism in its own right. Why waste resources while we (USA) are burning plenty?

33 posted on 06/22/2002 8:40:34 PM PDT by RCW2001
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To: fiftymegaton
So what you are saying is, we need to unload "YOU" on them right? :)
34 posted on 06/22/2002 8:40:34 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: RCW2001
...and we have all but suspended the Constitution...

This sounds serious. Please document what we have done.

35 posted on 06/22/2002 8:41:34 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: per loin
See my post in the thread "The New Islamophobia" #102 to Rageaholic.
36 posted on 06/22/2002 8:44:22 PM PDT by stryker
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To: ladyinred
They put 'me' on the shelf awhile back. They arent using anyone this big anymore.
37 posted on 06/22/2002 8:45:15 PM PDT by fiftymegaton
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To: fiftymegaton
See my post # 36.
38 posted on 06/22/2002 8:47:43 PM PDT by stryker
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To: the_right_way
I feel that the fourth of July has to be tempting for terrorists so I figure something will happen. Am I worrying about it? No, but I am not doing a whole lot that day so the odds are in my favor that I won't be directly affected by a hit unless they are targeting my city.
39 posted on 06/22/2002 8:48:54 PM PDT by tray-sea
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To: Pushi
I am flattered to be complemented by a so fine and distinguished gentleman as yourself.
41 posted on 06/22/2002 8:50:53 PM PDT by fiftymegaton
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Such doctrines are only effective if made publicly, especially in light of the new type of war--war against a religion whose adherents are from many countries but who have a capital country and two holy cities in that country, one of those cities being absolutely necessary to the practice of their religion.
42 posted on 06/22/2002 8:53:50 PM PDT by stryker
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To: RCW2001
I thought Cowboy was s'pose to git 'im, dear r alive.
44 posted on 06/22/2002 8:56:08 PM PDT by Judge Who
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To: fiftymegaton
"And although they would almost definitely use the threat as propaganda throughout the Middle East I still think that we wouldnt see anymore terrorist attacks."

I believe, if we announced a policy to nuke Mecca in the event of another al-Qaeda attack on our soil, it would guarantee another attack. Whereupon, they would wait gleefully for us to follow through...

The terrorists would dearly love for us to do something that would unite the entire Islamic world against us (and with them). In their eyes, sacrificing Mecca to a martyr's fate would be a small price to pay.

Terrorists aren't like you and me. They don't think the way we do.

45 posted on 06/22/2002 8:58:27 PM PDT by okie01
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To: marcleblanc

People, Cities, building, lets just drop a few daisy cutters and let it decide...
46 posted on 06/22/2002 8:58:41 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Forty_two
The Koran plainly states that the entire world is to be brought under Islam and ruled by Islamic law. We find ourselves to be in much the same situation as the British, French and American people found themselves as Neville Chamberlain negotiated with Hitler for revisions and replacements of nation states and governments in his efforts to appease the little Austrian when Hitler had already put to pen in Mein Kampf his entire plan for the conquest of Europe. At that time a few voices raised above the din of "peace at any price" to warn of that which they had read in Hitler's magnum opus, but they were ignored. Now, once again, an enemy has emerged whose plan of world domination is plainly written for the entire world to read. But once again, in the name of peace, or tolerance, or overreaction, or whatever justification we hear, those of us that have read the words of the Koran are ignored when we raise the call to full arms and preparedness for full war. While we make temporary coalitions with Islamic states, while we defend Muslims in Bosnia, while we defend Saudi Arabia against Iraq, the very schools of these Muslims teach their children that it is an honor to die killing us.

But put to logic, what future can there be between the West and Islam? When the US attacks Iraq, will not Iraq attack Israel? And when Iraq attacks Israel, will not the Palestinians join the fray? Israel will surly respond, drawing in Jordan, Syria and Iran. When Iran supports a war against Israel, the US attack on Iraq will widen to include Iran, and it is hard to imagine that at that point any Islamic country will support the United States with the possible exception of Turkey. Meanwhile, the United States will compel its NATO allies to join in the fun, if only to help grab up enough undamaged oil fields to keep the tanks and planes running, and the home economies working.

Now, the question must be asked, what has changed in the world that a centuries old document should suddenly cause the world to be threatened with WWIII? The answer is that the believers in that document, which requires world domination, have possession of weapons of mass destruction. But this is not the first time we have faced an enemy whose ideology called for world domination and who possessed more than a mere few WMD, but a vast array of same. For over forty years during the cold war we faced the Soviet Union which country possessed enough nuclear missiles to destroy the United States many times over. Yet, even though world domination was their aim, we confined our struggles to small parts of the world and conventional weapons. We did this with a doctrine known sardonically enough as MAD: Mutually Assured Destruction. The essence of that doctrine was that America always kept herself in a position that if she were attacked with a WMD, she could assuredly respond and destroy utterly her attacker.

The only differences between now and then are two: (1) first, our government expects us to absorb such an attack and has told us so, even to the extent that it is inevitable, whereas formerly our government did not expect its' citizens to absorb an attack of any kind with a WMD from the Soviet Union, and (2) second, the enemy does not come from a single country but from a religion, which prima fascia makes retaliation seemingly impossible.

As to the first problem, it is up to us to wake up and start screaming to our representatives that we will not absorb an attack with a WMD when such an attack can clearly be averted by closing our borders, checking every shipment of every package that enters our harbors, deporting all non-resident aliens of Islamic origin, and announcing a new form of the MAD doctrine. As to the second problem, even though the enemy is a religion, it is a unique religion because it is a religion with a country and a city as its' capital. In fact, it is a religion that cannot be worshipped as required by its' own mandates without a pilgrimage to the city of Mecca. Therefore, a version of the MAD doctrine can be developed stating that if the United States is attacked with a WMD, then upon thirty days notice, the holy city of Medina will be destroyed with a small nuclear warhead such that no one will be able to inhabit Medina for hundreds of years. Should the United States be attacked a second time with a WMD, the city of Mecca will be destroyed on the same terms. There will be no lose of life due to the notice period, but the religion itself will not be able to be practiced in the manner it heretofore has been practiced for a thousand years.

Many will say that this is a radical idea, but it is no more radical than the idea that the Soviet Union and the United States were going to destroy the entire world over whether Cuba had a few nuclear warheads. It is all a matter of historical perspective. The MAD doctrine as I propose it is far less severe than the MAD doctrine as it was actually practiced in the cold war. Additionally, it would have the added benefit of motivating moderate Muslims to seek out any radicals that might actually try in any event to attack the US with a WMD, and would probably have a calming effect on the radical anti-Western teachings so prevalent in the Islamic schools. In all events, it is certainly preferable to the Bush plan of waiting for the inevitable shoe to drop, walking around with a target on our backs, as if we were some third rate country rather than the United States of America, the most powerful country that ever existed, and one that can destroy an entire city without killing a single person unless that person seeks to die.

47 posted on 06/22/2002 8:58:43 PM PDT by stryker
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To: RCW2001
I'm am of the thought that they will not strike when we are anticipating it, i.e., 9-11. They could most likely wait another year or so before the next hit.

The only thing al-Queida has going for it is that they are doing things... if they stop doing things they will lose followers and money quick. A terrorist organization is only as good as it's last successful terrorist act.

Look for something before the 9-11 anniversary.

48 posted on 06/22/2002 8:59:00 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: marcleblanc
Hey, I wanna get paid if I have to map out a plan :)


Personally, I'd like to share our technology with SA, Iraq, Iran, Arafats compound,Syria,and Jordan for starters
50 posted on 06/22/2002 9:06:40 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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