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China deploys drones from Israel
Washington Times ^ | 7/02/02 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 07/01/2002 11:09:54 PM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:55:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

U.S. intelligence agencies have identified an Israeli-made anti-radar weapon deployed with Chinese forces opposite Taiwan, The Washington Times has learned.

Several "Harpy" drone weapons were spotted with Chinese military forces engaged in large-scale exercises in southern Fujian province opposite Taiwan, said defense officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity.


(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 07/01/2002 11:09:54 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
With friends like this....
2 posted on 07/02/2002 12:55:08 AM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Looking for Diogenes
>>With friends like this....

Israel owes China a lot. China saved over 20,000 Jews in WWII while other countries, including the US, refused to issue entry visa to them.

3 posted on 07/02/2002 1:24:10 AM PDT by Lake
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To: Lake
I'd be happier if Israel found a different way of showing its gratitude.
4 posted on 07/02/2002 2:05:38 AM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Looking for Diogenes
I don't like this but don't expect Israel to starve to death. Israel weapons sales are a major money maker.
5 posted on 07/02/2002 2:23:02 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Yeah, we sell weapons to their enemies, they sell weapons to our enemies. What a fine alliance.
6 posted on 07/02/2002 2:59:13 AM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Looking for Diogenes; LarryLied
China-Israel ties worry US

One element of the diplomatic crisis that erupted between Washington and Beijing this spring, after a US surveillance aircraft narrowly survived a close encounter with a Chinese warplane, went almost unnoticed in the drama surrounding the fate of the American crew.
Photographs released by the Pentagon of two Chinese jets that had shadowed the EP-3E Aries II on April 1 showed they were armed with Israeli-made Python air-to-air missiles. It was the first public proof of what had for years been an open secret in the defence community – that Israel is a supplier of sophisticated modern weaponry to the Chinese military.
8 posted on 07/02/2002 11:22:28 AM PDT by mv1
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To: shigure
>>Was it Mao and the Communists who saved them?

It was China and the Chinese people.

10 posted on 07/02/2002 12:22:00 PM PDT by Lake
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To: LarryLied
This is the full article UPI mentioned.
11 posted on 07/02/2002 2:10:05 PM PDT by mv1
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To: Lake
Israel owes China a lot. China saved over 20,000 Jews in WWII while other countries, including the US, refused to issue entry visa to them.

Yeah...all America did was lose a couple hundred thousand soliders liberating Europe. The rats. Can't blame Israel for arming Communist China after Americans did that.

12 posted on 07/02/2002 2:25:48 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: shigure
>>Did it involve any Chinese government or diplomatic participation?

Yes, it did. It did involve a kindly Chinese diplomat, Dr. Feng Shan Ho, who took the risk to his career to issue the Jews the life-saving visas. The KMT regime didn't appreciate what he did and later purged him from the foreign ministry. Ho spent his rest of life in the US.


Visas to China

Less than a month after the annexation, the first Austrian Jews were deported to Dachau and Buchenwald concentration camps. They were told that if they emigrated immediately, they would be released.

Jewish refugees arriving in Shanghai.

Many Jews wanted to go to the United States, but even though the us had not filled its Austrian quota, it imposed stringent emigration restrictions. Those who wished to go to Palestine found that Britain, under Arab pressure, had severely reduced the quota for Jewish emigrants.

The plight of Austrian Jews was further exacerbated by the July 13 resolution of the Evian Conference, which made it evident that none of the 32 participating states was willing to open its doors to Jewish refugees.

Vienna became the center for emigration of Austrian Jews. All foreign consulates in the city were besieged by desperate Jews day after day, but most did not offer help. The British consulate posted a sign saying no visas would be issued; the French would not accept any visa applications. The Swiss demanded that passports of Jews be stamped with a red "J" in order to bar them from crossing the border.

Ho recalled: "Since the annexation of Austria by Germany, the persecution of the Jews by Hitler's 'devils' became increasingly fierce. There were American religious and charitable organizations which were urgently trying to save the Jews. I secretly kept in close contact with these organizations. I spared no effort in using any means possible. Innumerable Jews were thus saved."

The 'means' Consul General Ho used to help Jewish refugees was to issue them visas to Shanghai, China. He practiced a "liberal" visa policy, authorizing the issuing of visas to any and all who asked. Having been turned down by other consulates, Jews soon discovered that they could get visas at the Chinese Consulate.

Shanghai was under Japanese occupation and a visa was not required for entry. But a visa, as proof of destination, was necessary for Jews to be allowed to leave Austria.

Eric Goldstaub, a 17 year old Viennese Jew, was turned down by 50 consulates in Vienna before he went to the Chinese Consulate, where on July 20, 1938, he obtained 20 Chinese visas for himself and his extended family. On the strength of these visas, the family procured boat tickets to Shanghai. Before their departure, both Goldstaub and his father were arrested and imprisoned on Kristallnacht. Using the visas as proof of emigration, Goldstaubs were released within a few days and embarked to Shanghai.

Ho knew, however, that most of those getting Chinese visas would not be going to Shanghai. "I knew that the Chinese visas to Shanghai were 'in name' only. In reality, it was a means for them to find a way to get to the US, England or other destinations," he recalled.

A Chinese visa to Shanghai, China used by Austrian Jews to escape from Nazi-occupied Austria.

After the Anschluss, Hedy Durlester's father, Fritz Heiduschka, was arrested, as were many Jewish heads of households. His wife, Berta, obtained a visa from the Chinese Consulate in Vienna and presented it to the Nazi authorities. He was released within hours. The family, using Chinese visas, escaped from Austria and found shelter in Manila in the Philippines.

Soon, lines of desperate refugees formed at the Chinese Consulate seeking the lifesaving visas. Word spread, and in September 1938, when another Jew, Norbert Lagstein went to the Chinese Consulate for visas, there was such a "throng" that he despaired of ever getting in and resorted to jumping the line.

For the next two years, the compassionate Chinese Consul General in Vienna issued visas to any and all Jews who requested them.

A postscript on the Visa policy from Mordecai Paldiel at Yad VaShem in Israel:

Yad Vashem, Israel's Memorial Center to the Holocaust, concedes that many Jews reached Shanghai, and other destinations in China, without necessarily being armed with a proper visa. To go China, one did not need a visa, but to get out of Germany (including annexed Austria), and to be released from a concentration camp (after Kristallnacht), one needed a visa. This is where Ho's action proved helpful.

Ho issued visas to people so that they could with this document leave Nazi Germany, including being released from Dachau and other concentration camps. To repeat -- to enter China one did not necessarily need a visa, but to leave the Nazi world in 1938-39, one needed such a document. Many of the Jews who received visas from Ho, did not travel to China. Once out of Germany, they headed to Cuba, Sweden, Israel (then, Palestine) and other destinations.

His issuance of visas to allow Jews to exit Nazi Germany in time, plus the risks to his career following his disobediecne -- these two major factors prompted Yad Vashem to declare him a Righteous Among the Nations.

14 posted on 07/02/2002 3:20:57 PM PDT by Lake
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Dr. Feng Shan Ho
Consul General of China in Vienna, 1938-39

Feng Shan Ho defied direct orders and issued innumerable visas to Jews escaping the Nazi occupation of Austria after the Anschluss of 1938. This enabled Jewish refugees to escape from Austria to the United States, Canada, South America, Palestine, the Philippines and Shanghai, China. Many Jews were released from concentration camps on the strength of the Chinese visas.

15 posted on 07/02/2002 3:24:55 PM PDT by Lake
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To: shigure
1958-73

Ho serves as  to Mexico, Bolivia and Colombia. In 1973 Ambassador Ho retires to San Francisco

after four decades of diplomatic service. The nationalist authorities discredit him and denied him his pension.

1990

Ho publishes his memoirs, Forty Years of my Diplomatic Life.

1997

September 28 Dr. Feng Shan Ho dies in San Francisco at the age of 96.

2000

April 1 Dr. Ho is honored in Visas for Life: The Righteous Diplomat exhibit at the United Nations, New York City.

17 posted on 07/02/2002 3:34:17 PM PDT by Lake
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To: shigure
As for who should take the credit, I'd say Ho, the Chinese people, China and whatever government represents China except for the KMT regime or ROC because it was against Ho's deed.
18 posted on 07/02/2002 3:48:53 PM PDT by Lake
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To: Lake
The Chinese government is no friend of the United States or the free world. Arming them is harmful and they have threatened a nuclear strike againsts US cities before.
19 posted on 07/02/2002 8:59:54 PM PDT by bok
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To: Thud
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20 posted on 07/03/2002 1:13:30 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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