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Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 29
07/03/02 - Wednesday - Day 29 | Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread

Posted on 07/02/2002 10:13:33 PM PDT by stlnative

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To: TheDon
He's the poster child for the 3 strike law.

It is a pretty safe bet that the Utah legislature will not have any problem passing such a law next session.

281 posted on 07/03/2002 11:04:32 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: lakey
Was that "he lied about the 26 hours" or "he lied for about 26 hours"?
283 posted on 07/03/2002 11:13:44 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: brigette
It seems rather clear to me. It was not a Home Invasion. Masked men did not enter, terrorize the family, subdue the male members and then rape the wife and female children.

No one broke into the Smart home to abduct a male child. No one broke into the Smart home to abduct Elizabeth's younger sister. Someone who felt comfortable moving about the house in the dark had a singular purpose in mind. To abduct 14 going on 15 Elizabeth Smart, an exceptionally beautiful young girl by anyone's standards, and a girl who was "ripening" sexually into a young woman.

They didn't enter the house to kill her. They didn't enter the house to abduct her and then demand a ransom for her return. They didn't abduct her and kill her for the very simple reason that she was worth money. A lot of money.

Elizabeth Smart was abducted for the purpose of "selling" her to someone who used young girls for his own sexual purposes. These purposes may have included using her as a sex slave to him, or using her in the production of child pornography where her blond hair, angelic looks and pubescent body would have been highly sought after. She may even have been resold and taken out of the country for similar purposes.

The people who participated in the criminal scheme knew the Smart family, knew the layout of the Smart home, and must have felt, for whatever reason that a nightime home abduction was preferrable to a street abduction during the day from a risk standpoint. They were obviously correct.

These people had a criminal past, consorted with other known felons, probably used illegal drugs, and needed money. They also had reasons to dislike the Smarts, be that money, greed, jealousy or hatred.

The question of what became of her following the abduction is open to speculation. I think it reasonable to assume that unlike an abducted street urchin, Elizabeth Smart quickly became too hot to handle. Who ever possessed her after the abduction probably killed her and disposed of her body.

I believe it reasonable to assume that the authorities will never find her body. For all practical purposes she will have vanished forever.

Furthermore, my guess is the both the Ricci's were involved, that they had additional local talent assisting them, and that someone else acted as the buyer.

I believe the Jeep was used to transport the girl to the buyer where the payoff was made. The posthole digger would be useful in digging a small cylindrical hole sufficient to bury money or weapons and artifacts associated with the crime. Just about the diameter of a coffee can. The seat covers obviously had blond hairs or other DNA and had to be destroyed. Ricci obviously was counting on Angela's testimony that he was home asleep that night. But she is obviously lying and most likely participated in the abduction.

I still believe, according to what we have been led to believe, that Ricci was probably the inside man, for the reason that he would perhaps be better able to awaken the girl and assure her of her safety because she would instantly recognize him.

The idea of a midnight abducter unknown to the girl or wearing a mask or pantyhose over his face would have probably elicited one hell of a scream or struggle. If she struggled she might have forced him to pick her up and carry her out thereby providing her an opportunity to kick doors or furniture, or scratch or bite him. The story from the sister (granted we don't know the actual facts here) seems to support the idea that they actually hung around the house for a while, all the time which he would have had to control her. She could have tipped over a lamp, attempted to break free, etc.

Now granted, he supposedly had a gun, and if you've ever had a gun pointed at you it has a very unnerving affect upon your mind. She may have just had a panic attack and was totally unable to say or do anything.

I think the only way this case will ever be resolved is if someone breaks. Otherwise, this case may never be solved and the guilty will never be brought to justice.

285 posted on 07/04/2002 9:16:12 AM PDT by Doc Savage
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To: cherry
Why did'nt he try to cover his face and head with a ski mask or a womens nylon stocking ? I do not understand why he wasnt afraid to be caught or identified.
286 posted on 07/04/2002 7:41:41 PM PDT by myth
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To: per loin
yeah,thats possible or he could be just one really ugly guy!
287 posted on 07/04/2002 8:29:06 PM PDT by hotrodhunni
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To: ChocChipCookie
The other idea is that after he had his way with her, or whatever sick perverted thing he did, he might have let her go way in the mountains somewhere to fend for herself. But who knows?? I too, feel like perhaps she is dead, but im still trying to cling to hope.
288 posted on 07/04/2002 8:32:48 PM PDT by hotrodhunni
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To: Palladin
Why in the world would anyone want to cast suspicion on a man who has zip-zero-nada motive, and take the word of a pack of lying thieving lazy loser deadbeat junkies over his? I detect more than a faint aura of racism here.

I agree with your assessment about Moul. However, as I have been one of the people questioning him, I thought I'd explain. This is an unusual case and I have come to believe that appearances may be deceiving. I have begun to question everyone. While it appears that Ricci had something to do with this, I do not want him to be the sole focus. I believe that we have to suspect everyone. Racism has nothing to do with that.

289 posted on 07/05/2002 6:25:34 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Doc Savage
ahe was either grabbed in exchange for money from someone who coveted her for her beauty and ripening sexuality

I've revisited this thinking as well. She played for the Olympics, where she could have been seen by people from all over the world, I assume. Do you know if any pictures of her were in any published accounts? Even group pictures? Also, I wonder if charter flights for the days following her abduction were looked into.

290 posted on 07/05/2002 6:31:49 AM PDT by twigs
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To: 4ourprogeny
I am praying as hard as I can that this little girl is found safe and returned to her family.
291 posted on 07/05/2002 8:50:43 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: whenigettime
I still think it is someone closer to the Smart home. Why else have her put shoes on?
292 posted on 07/05/2002 8:53:09 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: dalebert
"I still think it is someone closer to the Smart home. Why else have her put shoes on?"

Closer in geographic terms or closer as in acquaintance? It has been said by the SLCPD that they think the perp may be someone trusted and well known by the community. For me, Ricci seems like the slime who fits this crime.
293 posted on 07/05/2002 11:22:31 AM PDT by whenigettime
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To: whenigettime
Closer to the Smart home. A pervert in the neighborhood.We should be making bloody examples of people who do this sort of thing when they are caught. Most never get caught. I heard something today about a theft ring being the reason for shaking down the current suspects. Not being able to put your kids to bed safely at night is terrorism to me.
294 posted on 07/05/2002 8:46:12 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Doc Savage
I think you got it right.
295 posted on 07/05/2002 8:51:29 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: dalebert
"Not being able to put your kids to bed safely at night is terrorism to me....We should be making bloody examples of people who do this sort of thing when they are caught."

I totally agree. This sort of thing makes me want to see if I am someone who might benefit from having a hand gun around.
296 posted on 07/05/2002 9:24:34 PM PDT by whenigettime
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