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Please help a rookie pick a semiauto (vanity)
me ^ | 7/4/02 | me

Posted on 07/04/2002 6:17:30 PM PDT by newwahoo

I need help picking a weapon from FR's firearms gurus!

Here's the deal:

1. The choices consist of the Glock 19, Sig Sauer 226, or (boo) S&W 5946. I know you all have your favorites but these are the options and they're not going to change.

2. Money is not an issue, nor is ease of use. If one is more work but worth the effort then its worth getting. I'll just have to invest the time and energy. My life is worth it so thats ok.

3. Concealment and weight are not critical. Reliability and my confidence level are far more important to me.

4. As you could probably tell, I'm already leaning against the S&W for political reasons. I'm going to need a real compelling reason to carry one of their guns.

Thank you for your opinions and experiences.


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KEYWORDS: glock; gun; pistol; sigsauer; smithwesson
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1 posted on 07/04/2002 6:17:31 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: newwahoo

There you go - not quite a full auto - so it must be a semi-auto.

2 posted on 07/04/2002 6:19:48 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: newwahoo
I like Glocks, particularly the Glock 30 (compact .45).

Ex-Navy Seal friend really swears by his Sig

Your milage may vary.

3 posted on 07/04/2002 6:23:21 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: newwahoo
Try these:

best shotgun/pistol

Ar 15 or AR 10

I've been looking for an excuse to ressurect these threads.

4 posted on 07/04/2002 6:23:45 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Tennessee_Bob
What is that, a VW Rabbit? Its ugly and I doubt I could find the leather for it....

Thanks for bumping my thread up though!

5 posted on 07/04/2002 6:24:28 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: newwahoo
Are you a novice handgun shooter?

If so, the Glock 19 is probably your best choice. It's very easy to operate. Just be sure to carry it in a holster that covers the trigger guard.

6 posted on 07/04/2002 6:24:41 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: newwahoo
It's a Yugo!

If it were a Volkswagen, it'd be a full auto!! :-)

Happy to help bump it...and here's another bump
7 posted on 07/04/2002 6:28:40 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: newwahoo
Whatever you pick and since price is not a hindrence then I sugjest tritium sites, they're invaluable in a dark situation.
8 posted on 07/04/2002 6:34:11 PM PDT by fella
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To: Eagle Eye
Interesting article by Taylor. Thank you. Iguess his point really is if you spend the time to practice the skilled "operator" can overcome many of the deficiencies of his "tools". I wish I had something to add to that thread but I'm too green to open my mouth on the subject.

Unfortunately, I still need to make a decision soon and I'm not sure which tool is most worthy of my efforts.

9 posted on 07/04/2002 6:35:36 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: SauronOfMordor
Ex-Navy Seal friend really swears by his Sig

Why is he no longer your friend?

10 posted on 07/04/2002 6:37:38 PM PDT by Glenn
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To: newwahoo
Go for the Glock, you'll not regret it.
11 posted on 07/04/2002 6:38:03 PM PDT by Flint
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To: fella
"Whatever you pick and since price is not a hindrence then I sugjest tritium sites, they're invaluable in a dark situation."

They're going to come with the gun, but thanks for the reminder.

13 posted on 07/04/2002 6:39:31 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: SauronOfMordor
Thanks. The S&W looks like its getting smaller in the Yugo rearview mirror!
15 posted on 07/04/2002 6:41:08 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: justlurking
The guy is a novice, and you are suggesting a glock. Do you have something against him?
16 posted on 07/04/2002 6:41:20 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: newwahoo
Go with the glock. My issue weapon was the glock 17 and loved it.
17 posted on 07/04/2002 6:43:10 PM PDT by gitmogrunt
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To: newwahoo
As one who would not have a 'semi auto' up my clymer if I had room for a sawmill, I'm probably of little assistance.....but if ""Reliability and my confidence level" are that important, then you NEED the wheel gun...and the practice..like I said, probably of little help.
18 posted on 07/04/2002 6:43:49 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500
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To: newwahoo
but these are the options and they're not going to change.

Might as well just flip a coin.

19 posted on 07/04/2002 6:44:43 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: OkieGrit2
I had a misfire with my mak .38 once, but I think it was a swelled case on a reload.
20 posted on 07/04/2002 6:44:49 PM PDT by patton
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To: justlurking
"Are you a novice handgun shooter?

If so, the Glock 19 is probably your best choice. It's very easy to operate. Just be sure to carry it in a holster that covers the trigger guard."

I am. What worries me about the Glock is the though of somebody getting it from me and just pulling the trigger. A more difficult weapon to use may take more time for me to find a comfort level but a criminal might be less able to use it against me as well.

Your opinion is noted and appreciated. The Glock does seem to have a great repuation for ease of use and reliability that I find very tempting.

21 posted on 07/04/2002 6:45:46 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: OkieGrit2
One thing about the Glock: it's very reliable, and not sensitive to ammo. It eats Winchester, S&B, or Wolf without a burp. My Glock experiences hardly any jams or misfires compared to the 1911's I see people shoot at my range
22 posted on 07/04/2002 6:45:54 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: newwahoo
I know you all have your favorites but these are the options and they're not going to change.

That's too bad because the M-1911 .45 is the best autoloader made.

23 posted on 07/04/2002 6:46:27 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: S.O.S121.500
The wheel gun I carry 7/24* is Ruger's GP-100, as in 100% reliable and accurate.

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.*Under my pillow counts.

24 posted on 07/04/2002 6:48:39 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500
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To: Rattlesnake Jake
"Well, if you insist on not buying a Colt 1911 .45 ACP and receiving the proper instruction for its safe and effective use, then I'd go for the Sig (of the three on your list)."

Thanks. Instruction will be of the "up the wazoo" variety. Thats why I'm not worried about the learning curve. If something is worth doing, its worth doing right. That sometimes doesn't involve instant gratification. From what I've heard the Sig requires more work, both in learning and maintenance, but its worth it.

25 posted on 07/04/2002 6:50:52 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: Kalashnikov_68
We need to get M1911A1, I am sure he would have something to say.
26 posted on 07/04/2002 6:52:02 PM PDT by dts32041
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To: newwahoo
Okay here's the answer, but you're probably not going to like it!

You should choose the one that feels right in your hand and that you can operate the best in live fire practice. Many police departments allow their officers to select from two or three duty weapons. In such cases an officer will select the weapon that "feels right." It is common for an individual to love the feel of one weapon and hate the feel of the others. I think it is largely a function of hand size but it is very common for somebody to pick up a handgun that they think they want based on looks, reputation or whatever, and discover that it just doesn't "feel right."

If these three are your choices then you've got to get your hands on all three. I think SIGs are wonderful, and that strange trigger on the Glock with its light trigger pull gives me the AD willies. But Glock users love their pieces and who am I to disagree with someone's personal preference. You just have to try em all for yourself. Sorry, that's the only way.
27 posted on 07/04/2002 6:56:54 PM PDT by SBprone
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To: OkieGrit2
"Now don't laugh at my commie gun, but I have learned to like my Makarov."

I'm just laughing at the thought of you calling the commish and telling him to add it. Not going to happen my friend. Not because of its USSR origins but because of its lack of style.

We're pretty big on that around here!

28 posted on 07/04/2002 6:57:06 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: Don Myers
"The guy is a novice, and you are suggesting a glock. Do you have something against him?"

Huh, and all this time I had impression that the Glock was one of the easiest semis to learn to use.

29 posted on 07/04/2002 6:59:54 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: gitmogrunt
"Go with the glock. My issue weapon was the glock 17 and loved it"

No one has knocked its reliabilty and that means a lot to me. Thanks for your two cents....

30 posted on 07/04/2002 7:01:07 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: newwahoo
Here are two tests to see how well a handgun fits your hands:

1) Grasp empty gun with firing hand, pointed towards floor. Pick out a spot on the wall, close your eyes, and point the gun at it. Now open your eyes. If the sights are aligned with the spot, that's good.

2) With eyes open and sights on target, tighten your grip on the gun. If it does not squirm around to the side, or up or down, that's good.

I'll bet one of these three guns fits better than the others; that's the one you want.

On a secondary note, a frequent novice mistake is to forget how annoying it is to carry a heavy, bulky gun for any length of time, especially if it has to be concealed and kept tight against the body. There is a lot to be said for a slender, light weapon if you are going to be carrying it a lot.

32 posted on 07/04/2002 7:02:23 PM PDT by MikeJ
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To: Willie Green
"Might as well just flip a coin."

Really? Including the S&W? Maybe between the Glock and Sig, but I haven't seen anybody go out of their way to compliment the S&W.

I guess right now its a Sig/Glock race with the former slightly in the lead.

33 posted on 07/04/2002 7:03:45 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: newwahoo

Mauser M2 in .45 ACP


34 posted on 07/04/2002 7:03:53 PM PDT by handk
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To: newwahoo
From what I've heard the Sig requires more work, both in learning and maintenance, but its worth it.

Get the Sig. It's worth it. However, go to the P220 in 45ACP since being concealed isn't a problem. You won't be disappointed.

35 posted on 07/04/2002 7:06:15 PM PDT by toddst
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To: newwahoo
"Huh, and all this time I had impression that the Glock was one of the easiest semis to learn to use."

A glock is a gun for a professional. There are no "real" safeties on the thing. The trigger pull is light. A special holster had to be designed to cover the trigger guard to prevent accidental discharges. If you put your finger on the trigger or let something get inside the trigger guard, an accidental discharge is very possible. That is why most companies put a heavier pull weight on the trigger.

Yeah, I know that someone will say that companies do that for insurance purposes, but if an accidental discharge wasn't possible for a light trigger pull, law suits wouldn't be an issue.

36 posted on 07/04/2002 7:08:58 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: SauronOfMordor
"One thing about the Glock: it's very reliable, and not sensitive to ammo. It eats Winchester, S&B, or Wolf without a burp."

Interesting. Thanks. Ammo won't be a problem either and I should have mentioned it. This is going to be strictly for a 2nd A. friendly officer with the biggest, baddest and best local LE agency to back him up.

To give you a hint, our logo is flying all over the world. :)

37 posted on 07/04/2002 7:10:38 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: Willie Green
That is the one advantage of the S&W, when the mag is dropped out it will not fire.

I carry a Springfield Arms Champion which is between a regular and officers model 1911.
It is heavy! But reassuring none the less.

38 posted on 07/04/2002 7:11:55 PM PDT by tet68
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To: newwahoo
Really? Including the S&W? Maybe between the Glock and Sig, but I haven't seen anybody go out of their way to compliment the S&W.

You had already indicated an appropriate judgement against the S&W, which narrowed the selection to a coin-flip between the other two.

39 posted on 07/04/2002 7:12:57 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Kalashnikov_68
"That's too bad because the M-1911 .45 is the best autoloader made"

Actually my two shooting experiences involved a Para-Ordnance .45 that I enjoyed very much. Unfortunately, I'm going to be hopping ghetto fences and not running for sheriff out in the heartland.

40 posted on 07/04/2002 7:14:18 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: newwahoo
I have both Glocks and a Sig. (I refuse to touch a S&W until either the new holders or Justice repudiate their Clinton "sweetheart" deal.) Between the two brands, I've found I prefer the Glock. It fits better in my hand, shoots very nicely, and is very reliable (approx. 4,000 rounds and only 2 FTF's).

Given that, I don't tend to recommend it for the beginner. A Glock is designed to shoot when the trigger is pulled, every time, so it's a minimialist pistol i.e. no manual or grip safeties. A Glock owner has to remember always the primary weapon safety is between the ears.

If you choose the Glock, splurge for a weapons safety course and a good holster (covers the trigger without risking engaging the trigger bar). In the end, it's your money and your life so choose what feels right to you. And have fun!

41 posted on 07/04/2002 7:15:24 PM PDT by Jonah Hex
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To: newwahoo
Do we assume you have looked at everything else and have narrowed the list to these three? I'm a wheelgun nut. I carry a titanium 7 shot .357 Taurus snubbie that weighs less than 20 oz. and is a pleasure to carry and conceal. I also have semi autos and my 1911 is my favorite semi auto. Some people don't like the 1911 because of the "cocked & locked" issue. Check out Para Ordnance 1911 style LDA (Light Double Action) models, which can be carried with the hammer down.
42 posted on 07/04/2002 7:15:29 PM PDT by umgud
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To: OkieGrit2
Whats great about the Makarov is it fires only it's own 9mm ammo. I like Russian antiques too.
43 posted on 07/04/2002 7:18:02 PM PDT by MP5SD
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To: Rattlesnake Jake
"But I would seriously consider the brilliant creation of St. John Moses Browning - the Colt .45 ACP - as your weapon of choice. There's not enough space here to adequately convince you, but I can refer you to the 1911 Forum and the good folks over there can answer any questions you have. (But you might want to lurk a little first)."

I guess I should have been clearer. These are the choices being FORCED upon me. I had a lot of fun shooting a Para-Ordnance .45 but I'm not the one making the call here. My pay grade just pays the price, we don't make the decisions (even about our choices of off-duty carry).

44 posted on 07/04/2002 7:18:05 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: newwahoo
I carried a 1911A1 for years. My husband is a big Sig fan, he's carried the big 220 .45 for a long time (he's also a BIG guy). I finally succumbed and bought the little Sig P245.

I must say that it's a sweet gun (I chose it over the Glock, on the basis of pointability for me, as well as fit and finish) and it's nice having the DA (I know what Jeff Cooper's opinion is of that already!) but nothing fits my hand like the 1911A1, so I still use that for target shooting.

45 posted on 07/04/2002 7:22:42 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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I'm a glock guy. I enjoy the Sigs used at work. You could not give me the S&W. The S&W is a junk pistol with a VERY heavy trigger and VERY poor accuracy.
46 posted on 07/04/2002 7:23:10 PM PDT by MP5SD
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To: SBprone
"You should choose the one that feels right in your hand and that you can operate the best in live fire practice"

Believe it or not I won't have the option of the latter, only the former. I guess the bottom line will be how it feels in my hand, just like you said. I may be leaning towards the Glock and Sig but if I don't think I can shoot comfortably with one or the other the one in question is going back onto the table. I WANT TO ENJOY SHOOTING THIS WEAPON SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SPENDING TIME AT THE RANGE FOR YEARS TO COME (sorry about the caps, but its important to me).

"I think SIGs are wonderful, and that strange trigger on the Glock with its light trigger pull gives me the AD willies"

Sorry to be a idiot but what exactly are the "AD willies"?

48 posted on 07/04/2002 7:25:45 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: MikeJ
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! That sounds like great advice. Tuesday morning I will be going through both of those tests and I'll see for myself.

49 posted on 07/04/2002 7:30:42 PM PDT by newwahoo
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That would be the "Accidental Discharge" willies.

There have been a significant number of ADs with the Glock. Glock (I know the regional service rep here) swears it ain't the pistol . . . but the trigger pull IS awfully light. It may be that the idea that it's a DA (double action) gives the folks carrying it the idea that it's "safe" and they thus take risks that they wouldn't take with a 1911, for example.

I haven't heard similar stories about the SIG, but it isn't an issue sidearm for any of the police departments hereabouts. (One of our local departments still carries .45 Long Colt. Talk about speaking with authority!)

50 posted on 07/04/2002 7:31:07 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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