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Report Links LAx Shooter to Egyptian Jihad
News Max ^ | 7-5-02

Posted on 07/05/2002 3:53:09 PM PDT by hope

FONT face="Courier, Times New Roman"> Friday, July 5, 2002

Report Links LAX Shooter to Egyptian Jihad

Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, who killed two people Thursday at Los Angeles International Airport, was a radical Muslim extremist involved in terrorism, the respected Israeli intelligence Web site DEBKA.com reported today.

"During his ten years in the United States, he was a secret operative of the Egyptian Jihad who maintained undercover links to the same Jihad cell in Brooklyn, New York, as the 'blind sheikh' Abdul Rahim Rahman and Ramzi Yousef. Both are doing time for perpetrating the first attack on the New York World Trade Center in 1993," DEBKA said.

U.S. authorities continue to maintain there is no evidence linking Hadayet to terrorism.

"Hadayat [sic] is also believed to have abetted a previous, contrived airline disaster: On October 31, 1999, an Egyptair Boeing 767 Flight 990, which also took off from Los Angeles airport for Kennedy, New York. After Kennedy, the plane bound for Cairo plunged into the Atlantic off the Nantucket Island, Mass. coast, killing all 217 passengers and crew. In a special probe, the US National Transportation Safety Board found that the copilot Gameel el-Batouty was at the controls when the plane went into its dive. His voice was recorded shouting, 'I put my faith in Allah!'

"The report held back from referring more directly to the Egyptian copilot's responsibility for the crash," DEBKA noted.

"Our sources affirm that Hadayat, who lived in Irvine, California, 70 km south of Los Angeles, knew Batouty well. There are also indications that, in the years 1998 and 1999, Hadayat was in touch with a group of high Egyptian air force officers and helicopter pilots posted at the time at Edwards Base north of Los Angeles. They were there to learn how to install command and control centers in Egypt's air defense systems, operate anti-air missile batteries and fly Apache gunships. Most of those officers were on the doomed Egyptian airliner after completing their courses.

"Although the long-delayed US Transportation Board report never referred to the presence of this high-ranking Egyptian air force delegation on the flight, DEBKAfile's Washington sources reported at the time that most of the investigators were satisfied that Batouty could not have seized control of the Boeing 767 without the aid - certainly the compliance - of those officers.

Clinton Again

"Two years ago, Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak exerted all his influence on President Clinton to keep the federal board's findings out of its published report and, above all, the fact that a group of Egyptian air force officers was on the plane. He warned that citing the Egyptian copilot as deliberately causing the crash would have a negative effect on Egyptian-US relations. The report therefore fell short of clear conclusions," DEBKA reported.

"Hadayat's murderous attack on El Al flight 106 passengers points back to the Egyptair 990 disaster of 1999, reviving the many questions left open by that earlier, half stifled inquiry, which carefully stepped round any suggestion of terrorism. It also raises the question of how many sleeper cells the Egyptian Jihad, al Qaeda's primary operational arm, maintains in American cities."

The FBI said today that Hadayet, a limousine driver, went to LAX with murder on his mind on Independence Day, his 41st birthday.

"It appears he went there with the intention of killing. Why he did that is what we are still trying to determine," FBI agent Richard Garcia told Fox News.

The public interest law firm Judicial Watch today said that "the Bush administration is continuing a practice of providing the American public with false and misleading information concerning Islamist terror plans and attacks against the United States." It urged that Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller be fired.

Fly Your Flag: Anger a Terrorist

Meanwhile, Hadayet's neighbors in Irvine, Calif., said today that he became incensed when an upstairs apartment dweller put up large American and Marine Corps flags after Sept. 11.

"He complained about it to the apartment manager. He thought it was being thrown in his face," said one neighbor, Steve Thompson. The upstairs neighbor would not comment to the Associated Press.

A bumper sticker on Hadayet's front door said, "Read the Koran." It was later removed.

Read more on this subject in related Hot Topics:
Clinton Scandals

Al-Qaeda
Bush Administration
EgyptAir Crash
Homeland/Civil Defense
Immigration/Borders
Middle East
War on Terrorism

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KEYWORDS: hadayat; hadayet; laxshooter

1 posted on 07/05/2002 3:53:09 PM PDT by hope
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To: hope
Debkka? Please.
2 posted on 07/05/2002 4:12:28 PM PDT by walden
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To: hope
"Our sources affirm that Hadayat, who lived in Irvine, California, 70 km south of Los Angeles, knew Batouty well. There are also indications that, in the years 1998 and 1999, Hadayat was in touch with a group of high Egyptian air force officers and helicopter pilots posted at the time at Edwards Base north of Los Angeles. They were there to learn how to install command and control centers in Egypt's air defense systems, operate anti-air missile batteries and fly Apache gunships. Most of those officers were on the doomed Egyptian airliner after completing their courses.

Note that, according to an earlier report, Hadayet's aunt is married to an Egyptian general.

3 posted on 07/05/2002 4:13:48 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: walden
Whatever...
4 posted on 07/05/2002 4:23:30 PM PDT by hope
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To: hope
respected Israeli intelligence Web site DEBKA.com reported today

I respect the clock in the bottom of my drawer. It gets the time right twice a day! ;-)
5 posted on 07/05/2002 4:32:00 PM PDT by cgbg
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To: hope
Now if only we could tie this shooter to Timothy McVeigh some way....
6 posted on 07/05/2002 4:34:42 PM PDT by alloysteel
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To: hope
DEBKA????

Ok....who hid my tinfoil hat? C'mon fess up.

7 posted on 07/05/2002 4:36:51 PM PDT by Pistolshot
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To: cgbg
Yeah, but show what credibility the lame-stream media has.
8 posted on 07/05/2002 4:49:28 PM PDT by hope
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To: Pistolshot
hmmm.....Well, I'm sure some one around here has an extra one.
9 posted on 07/05/2002 4:51:34 PM PDT by hope
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To: Mitchell; OKCSubmariner; Fred Mertz; Wallaby; aristeides; Travis McGee
His uncle, the General, has the last name of .......

MAHFOUZ !
10 posted on 07/05/2002 7:30:23 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: Mitchell; Betty Jo
http://www.freerepublic.com/fo cus/news/711339/posts

Shooter's father retired Egyptian Army general.
11 posted on 07/05/2002 8:11:20 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Betty Jo; aristeides; Plummz; honway; Mitchell; Shermy
They [Egyptian air force officers] were there to learn how to install command and control centers in Egypt's air defense systems, operate anti-air missile batteries and fly Apache gunships. Most of those officers were on the doomed Egyptian airliner after completing their courses.

I still fail to see the motive for killing these Egyptian officers, unless it's because they were American trained. Any insights?

12 posted on 07/05/2002 8:22:51 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
I forgot to mention that I find Hadayet's alleged linkage to them quite fascinating.
13 posted on 07/05/2002 8:24:13 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: hope
"Two years ago, Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak exerted all his influence on President Clinton to keep the federal board's findings out of its published report and, above all, the fact that a group of Egyptian air force officers was on the plane.

This fact was widely reported at the time.

Initial reports said that the flight from California also made a stop at Edwards Air Force Base to pick up Egyptian Air Force officers who had completed training in the US. This aspect of the report was later denied.

14 posted on 07/05/2002 8:41:33 PM PDT by StopGlobalWhining
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To: Fred Mertz
They were part of the not-sha'ria-enough evil Egyptian govt in their view. Started with Sadat.
15 posted on 07/05/2002 8:43:43 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Fred Mertz
"I still fail to see the motive for killing these Egyptian officers, unless it's because they were American trained. Any insights?"

The backbone of a regime that, while dictatorial, is not dictatorial in an Islamic manner. I have long believed that the FBI was eager to not say that the earlier crash was "suicide" becuse that would be too close to saying that it was a "suicide attack". It would have embarrassed Mubarak too much. He only wants Egypt repressed in his own special way and is not willing to give up that role to the Islamists.

16 posted on 07/05/2002 8:49:57 PM PDT by newwahoo
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To: Betty Jo
His uncle, the General, has the last name of .......
MAHFOUZ !

Yes, that's his name. Can you explain the significance of this -- I know I've seen the name before, but I don't recall where. Thanks.

17 posted on 07/05/2002 9:18:17 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: hope
Its high time that we deport all men, women and children who are not US citizens.

Especially those who are Muslims.

Those who support any other course of action are simply blind to the reality of our current predicament - We are at war with radical Islam.

Do we have to wait and react after the car bombs start going off in US cities?

18 posted on 07/05/2002 10:20:54 PM PDT by ASTM366
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To: hope
I think most thinking people know this was an act of terrorism. Why our authorities are reluctant to say so is a mystery, unless it is because of the airline industry/
19 posted on 07/05/2002 10:26:17 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: hope
"The respected Israeli intelligence Web site DEBKA.com"

The story may be true, but I doubt it, but respected? Someones joking right.
20 posted on 07/05/2002 10:31:48 PM PDT by Terp
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To: Mitchell; Fred Mertz; OKCSubmariner; aristeides; Wallaby; Iwentsouth
Well this just keeps getting juicier!

The Indian paper is saying the perps FATHER, Ahmed Ali Hadayet is a General.

The other sources are saying his UNCLE, Hassan Mostafa Mahfouz is a retired General.

So, are both his Uncle and Father Generals?

Mitchell, Mahfouz, is the Uncles last name.

A different Mahfouz is coupled with the BUSH family business

Go Google +"Mahfouz+"Bush"

Mahfouz is also a funder of Osama, and the attack on the Cole.

So, if the perps Father and Uncle are both generals, he is connected.

As in he aint no stinken limo driver,except as a cover!








21 posted on 07/05/2002 10:48:59 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: swarthyguy
See my post above.
22 posted on 07/05/2002 10:50:52 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: Betty Jo
Thanks for the information, Betty Jo,

23 posted on 07/06/2002 1:27:40 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: hope; Gary Aldrich; ntrulock; roughrider; Squantos; spycatcher; codebreaker; nunya bidness; ...
More clues for this story:

Ali Mohammed once worked high up in Egyptian air security in the US. He worked for the CIA then as a Special Forces trainer for the US military around the same time.

Ali Mohammed, also an Egyptian himself, was one of Bin LAden's chief lieutenants who wrote most of Laden's terrorist manual including how to plant bombs inside public buildings. Ali moved Laden from Sudan to Afghanistan. Ali was indicted for the 1993 WTC bombing, the Tanzanian and Kenyan bombings and for setting up AlQaeda cells in the US while he worked with Laden’s secretary el Hage in Dallas.

Oh, by the way while Ali was doing all of this for Bin Laden, Ali was working as a full time FBI operative out of Sacramento California from 1992- 1998. The FBI and CIA claimed to Congress taht they just lost track of Ali while he did all this for six years (BS).

Within a day of when Egypt Air went down, Andrea Mitchell (Alan Greenspan’s wife) reported on msnbc that the downing of the airliner was a terrorist act tied directly to Ali Mohammed and the cadre of American trained Egyptian officers on the airliner.

I strongly suspect that Ali Mohammed knew and advised not only the pilot Batouty but also the LAX (near Sacramento where Ali was based) gunman Hadayat and his relatives, the Generals (Mafhoutz?). And Ali Mohammed had to have known and worked with and helped at some point Ramzi Youseff and the chief implementer of the 93 WTC, OKC and 9/11 attacks, Khalid Moahmmed.

Ali Mohammed was in a position to have helped train the men and prepare the plan for putting any explosive devices possibly used inside the Murrah building in addition to the Ryder truck bomb.

Ali Mohammed had to have provided key airline security information and training to the 9/11 hijackers training in the US while Ali Mohammed set up AlQaeda cells in the US. Ali's input was likely vital to the success of 9/11 airport security penetrations by AlQaeda and of the Saudi /Egyptian pilots involved.

The US has yet to sentence Ali Mohammed even though he has been in US custody and convicted for more than two years. He set up a special plea bargain arrangement with Janet Reno to save the US government embarrassment (cover-up).

And Federal authorities (extremely bad and corrupt policy) are still tracking and letting roam the five AlQaeda cells (reported by Bob Woodward in the Washington Post in October 2001)in the US that Ali Mohammed helped set up.

24 posted on 07/06/2002 11:28:37 AM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
Thanks for the additional dot connecting.
25 posted on 07/06/2002 7:01:43 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
Maybe they "knew too much"?
26 posted on 07/07/2002 11:07:18 AM PDT by Plummz
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