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We Told You So - Secret Venona Intercepts
Insight on the News ^ | Vol. 13, No. 37 -- Oct. 6-13, 1997 | Stephen Goode, 1st article; Tiffany Danitz, 2nd

Posted on 07/06/2002 9:31:56 AM PDT by First_Salute

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Originally posted by Jim Robinson, September 21, 1997.
1 posted on 07/06/2002 9:31:56 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Covenantor
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2 posted on 07/06/2002 9:36:39 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: snopercod; joanie-f; mommadooo3; brityank; TPartyType; Alamo-Girl
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3 posted on 07/06/2002 9:37:11 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Jim Robinson
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4 posted on 07/06/2002 9:37:36 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: one_particular_harbour
Still no mention of Harry Hopkins. I think the Sword and the Sheild tried to whitewash his treason and the monument to Oppenheimer in the former Soviet Union was only reported by National Review, Human Events, and one other publication.

The rest of the media was silent.

6 posted on 07/06/2002 9:45:12 AM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: First_Salute
And those same commie pinko "progressives" are STILL here, trying to destroy us from within...
7 posted on 07/06/2002 9:50:28 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: First_Salute
bttt

Happy Birthday President Bush!

Don't miss this one.

8 posted on 07/06/2002 9:51:24 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: First_Salute
The articals missed the big one Harry Hopkins.
9 posted on 07/06/2002 9:51:45 AM PDT by Little Bill
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To: one_particular_harbour
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10 posted on 07/06/2002 9:53:00 AM PDT by First_Salute
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11 posted on 07/06/2002 9:53:19 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Chad Fairbanks
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12 posted on 07/06/2002 9:53:40 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: lodwick
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13 posted on 07/06/2002 9:53:56 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Little Bill
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14 posted on 07/06/2002 9:54:07 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: First_Salute
Great episode on PBS's NOVA titled "Secret, Lies and Atomic Spies" on this topic.
I about had a heart attack (with a smile on my face) to hear the show say that the
intercepts describe a Soviet operative and his work at Yalta...and that Alger Hiss
is essentially a dead ringer.

And this on PBS.
This is a sure sign PBS is on the ropes...when they start to tell the truth to
seduce people into supporting them...
15 posted on 07/06/2002 9:56:16 AM PDT by VOA
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To: one_particular_harbour
Hmmm.. maybe we should scrap 'academia' and start over fresh??? ;0)
17 posted on 07/06/2002 10:00:45 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: one_particular_harbour
That is an interesting observation. Chambers picked his Communism up at Columbia, Hiss either at Johns Hopkins or Harvard. If you use England as an example a large number of their traitors come out of the university system,

Another interesting observation is the social worker syndrom; both Hopkins and Hisses wife were social workers in NYC and were connected to leftist organizations.

19 posted on 07/06/2002 10:06:03 AM PDT by Little Bill
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To: First_Salute; All
Tailgunner Joe--Patriot Whistleblower or Right-Wing Witch-hunter?
20 posted on 07/06/2002 10:07:22 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: VOA
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21 posted on 07/06/2002 10:09:08 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: First_Salute
Bump for later read!
22 posted on 07/06/2002 10:11:29 AM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: backhoe
Tx - bump.
23 posted on 07/06/2002 10:13:35 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Ben Hecks
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24 posted on 07/06/2002 10:14:09 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: one_particular_harbour
The two easiest means of spreading their gospel would be the schools as you mentioned, but also the media and in particular the news media.
25 posted on 07/06/2002 10:19:13 AM PDT by dtel
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To: First_Salute
Passing nuclear secrets to our enemies is a crime???
26 posted on 07/06/2002 10:20:18 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: First_Salute
Eric Breindel bump.
27 posted on 07/06/2002 10:20:31 AM PDT by PhilDragoo
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To: Chad Fairbanks; one_particular_harbour
Even during the so-called McCarthyte 50s Communist penetration of the universities was still pervasive.

Nathaniel Branden, in his book about Ayn Rand, tells of almost all his college professors preaching for dictatorship.

28 posted on 07/06/2002 10:28:44 AM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: First_Salute
The Venona Decrypts bear out much of what Joe McCarthy and HUAC charged. And if there was this much communist skullduggery transpiring in the unsophisticated 50's, how much do you think is going on NOW, especially now that the pinko rats have no geographical home, and are free to roam the world at will?
29 posted on 07/06/2002 10:46:18 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
The Venona Decrypts bear out much of what Joe McCarthy and HUAC charged. And if there was this much communist skullduggery transpiring in the unsophisticated 50's, how much do you think is going on NOW, especially now that the pinko rats have no geographical home, and are free to roam the world at will?

Even before the Verona transcripts, McCarthy's charges were found to be true.

John Fairbanks once wrote a book on how he was persecuted by McCarthy simply because he was prescient on China; however, a few months after McCarthy's death, it was revealed that Fairbanks tried to bring Communism to Japan and that was a charge he could not refute before a Senate comittee investigating him (William Rusher was there and knows the story).

30 posted on 07/06/2002 11:01:26 AM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: First_Salute
More proof that Democrats/Socilists = Communists...
31 posted on 07/06/2002 11:05:02 AM PDT by Abogado
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To: UbIwerks
There are many more examples of McCarthy's prescience. If history wasn't owned by the Left, he would have been resurrected years ago as a visionary. He was a tragically flawed man, but innocent of the best-known charges leveled against him.
32 posted on 07/06/2002 11:05:41 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: First_Salute
I have a copy of The Soviet World of American Communism by Klehr, Haynes, and Anderson. It is chilling, and utterly destroys the "witch hunter" label appended to McCarthyites.
33 posted on 07/06/2002 11:08:41 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
Worth repeating.

"I have a copy of The Soviet World of American Communism by Klehr, Haynes, and Anderson. It is chilling, and utterly destroys the "witch hunter" label appended to McCarthyites. "

McCarthy's mistake was he UNDERESTIMATED the number of communists in the government, media and Hollywood. Anti-Communists have never fared well in the press from Nixon to Reagan.

The McCarthy lesson still echos today. Those the media honchos demonize are telling the truth about some ox they don't want gored. Current examples include Starr and Buchanan.

34 posted on 07/06/2002 11:24:12 AM PDT by ex-snook
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To: ex-snook
Hollywood is a hotbed of communist activity. The pinkos know that our culture is easily dazzled by lackluster luminaries like movie stars and rock musicians. They own them, they own the culture. How many rock "stars" are champions of one leftist cause or another? How many actors?

Another bastion of subversion is academia. By slowly purloining impressionable minds, the lefties create a foundation that secures them the future.

And finally, the ghouls own the media. Once again, they work en masse to poison our discourse and create false impressions.

Everything McCarthy said has turned out to be right, and the cancer advances unabated.

35 posted on 07/06/2002 11:34:26 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: UbIwerks; one_particular_harbour
Or, better yet, we can let the leftists do it for us - they have a history of it...


36 posted on 07/06/2002 11:50:29 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: IronJack
That whole series is an eye opener, Commie infiltration of the CIO, Lies about the composition and control of the International Brigades, the various front groups and their liberal fellow travellers in the NYC litterary elite and news media.

Do a few substitutions and it is the Bill and Hill show.

37 posted on 07/06/2002 11:53:13 AM PDT by Little Bill
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To: IronJack
"Another bastion of subversion is academia. By slowly purloining impressionable minds, the lefties create a foundation that secures them the future. "

In a book entitled "Towards Soviet America" published in 1932, Willam Z. Foster (head of the Communist Party of the U.S.) wrote:

"Among the elementary measures the American Soviet government will adapt to further the culture revolution are the following -

The schools, colleges and universities will be coordinated and grouped under the National Department of Education and its state and local branches.

The studies will be revolutionized, being cleansed of religious, patriotic, and other features of the bourgois idealogy.

The students will be taught on the basis of Marxian dialectical materialism, internationalism, and the general ethics of the new Soviet society.

Present obsolete methods of teaching will be superceded by a scientific pedagogy. Religious schools will be abolished."
38 posted on 07/06/2002 12:06:01 PM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: First_Salute
"Oppenheimer and the other scientists wanted to create a balance of power between the United States, which had the bomb, and the USSR, which didn't."

Wasn't there several members of the Clinton administration who articulated a similar fear about the need to balance United States power during the nineties?

Second, re-read this article substituting Islam for communism. One wonders if some of our elites are not up to their old games.

39 posted on 07/06/2002 12:06:54 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: Ben Hecks
These are some of the reasons I despise the Left so much. They know that if they present their agenda to the public, it will be overwhelmingly rejected. So, in their arrogance, they infiltrate our institutions slowly, working their havoc under the cover of "progress" and "liberalism."

They secrete a toxin that poisons the very roots of liberty's tree. Its antidote is the cleansing light of day, and a sense of the moral rectitude of our past. Expose them at every chance, and pay no heed to the specious appeal of their lies.

Remember Marx's guiding maxim: "The End Justifes The Means." There is no lie they won't tell, no depth they won't plumb to advance their diabolical agenda. You don't negotiate with a cancer.

40 posted on 07/06/2002 12:20:43 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Little Bill
If Harry Hopkins was acting as a Soviet agent, was he doing so with the knowledge and permission of FDR?
41 posted on 07/06/2002 12:34:40 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Perhaps you could check with Doris Kearns Goodwin. She can then check the scholarly work of others and report back to you.

Seriously, you pose an excellent question.

42 posted on 07/06/2002 12:53:52 PM PDT by Fracas
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To: First_Salute
Dangerous Flags

43 posted on 07/06/2002 12:54:39 PM PDT by Consort
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To: First_Salute
The "American" Left is still seething over the Venona Intercepts.I read an issue of The Nation a few years ago, in which various writers tried to explain away the damning evidence as "mis-translations", etc, etc.
44 posted on 07/06/2002 12:55:47 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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....knowledge and permission of FDR?

My Dad was the one that started my interest in this subject, Hopkins, back when I was a kid in the late 50s, before he died. He had spent some time in Russia during the war, convoy duties, and hated the Commies based on the treatment of the Russian people by their masters, his personal observation.

I was ten or twelve years old and the subject of Harry Hopkins came up and my father said he was a Commie spy, I was too young to question the reasoning behind the observation but it hung in my mind. My father believed that Roosevelt was the first dictator of the USA, he was in his twenties during the depression and had strong political views.

Currie and Hopkins were close advisors to FDR , in the White House, and he didn't meet a commie he didn't like, like his wife, for a short while any way. If you look at some of the positions that he took as Governor of NY, Power Athority and others, he was bent to the left. Commie, I don't know. My Grandfather thought that every Rat from Bryant on down was a commie in one form or another, but he was rather extream.

45 posted on 07/06/2002 1:01:18 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: Little Bill
My Dad was the one that started my interest in this subject, Hopkins, back when I was a kid in the late 50s, before he died. He had spent some time in Russia during the war, convoy duties, and hated the Commies based on the treatment of the Russian people by their masters, his personal observation. I was ten or twelve years old and the subject of Harry Hopkins came up and my father said he was a Commie spy, I was too young to question the reasoning behind the observation but it hung in my mind. My father believed that Roosevelt was the first dictator of the USA, he was in his twenties during the depression and had strong political views. Currie and Hopkins were close advisors to FDR , in the White House, and he didn't meet a commie he didn't like, like his wife, for a short while any way. If you look at some of the positions that he took as Governor of NY, Power Athority and others, he was bent to the left. Commie, I don't know. My Grandfather thought that every Rat from Bryant on down was a commie in one form or another, but he was rather extream.

Harry Hopkins had money problems with that divorce of his. The money he got from the Commies helped relieve those problems.

Harry Hopkins also took the lead in sending the feeble Roosevelt to Yalta, even though he wasn't physically able to handle it.

At Yalta Stalin showed a diplomatic virtuosity he never equaled before or after and Roosevelet was dead in about another month.

46 posted on 07/06/2002 1:47:21 PM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I'm not sure but it looks like Cambodia. Thanks to the 'Readers Digest' I knew about those killings in 1975; however, the liberal media didn't report on them until their favorite Commies, the vietnamese, orveran that country.

That was many years later.

47 posted on 07/06/2002 2:08:38 PM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: UbIwerks
I read Robert Sherwoods bio of Hopkins and I could never figure the dude out.

Until the latest Bio on Hiss I could never figure out the relationship between the Hisses and Hopkins and there was a relationship, to my mind anyway. Hisses wife was active in the social work cabal in NYC where Hopkins made his name before FDR became Governor. FDR appointed Hopkins as Tsar of welfare in NY State.

If you look at the organizing activities of the commies in the last 80 years they go for the gutter. Hopkins had the support of the leftist immigrent communities in NYC and FDR needed that support to get elected.

Where was Hopkins educated and what were the political views of those that educated him, look at Addams house for an example.

48 posted on 07/06/2002 2:15:36 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: UbIwerks
Yup... that was Cambodia. Ever seen the big map of Cambodia, made out of skulls? There's an interesting museum there that has on display pictures - of thousands of men, women, and children - taken by the police at the prison - all of those in the photos were executed... then, there were the piles of bones, skulls, etc...

I only wish we could bring those items here for a sweep through the U.S. - a travelling exhibit, showing america what the Left really has planned for our country...

49 posted on 07/06/2002 2:17:45 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: First_Salute
Secrets, Lies, and Atomic Spies,.....Or... Joe McCarthy was more right than he ever knew
50 posted on 07/06/2002 4:47:46 PM PDT by quietolong
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