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Three at Gilroy High resign in protest
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 7/9/02 | Pat Lopes Harris

Posted on 07/09/2002 11:23:12 AM PDT by craig_eddy

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:29:34 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The principal and two assistant principals at Gilroy High School have resigned in protest of a district decision to implement a pilot honors program this fall in English and social studies for ninth- and 10th-graders.

In the latest Bay Area example of so-called academic tracking clashing with equal educational access, Principal Wendy Gudalewicz and Assistant Principals Cec Bell and Rosa Nieto said the honors program, which will place the district's top freshmen and sophomores in separate classes rather than mixing them with students of all abilities, will lead to segregation.


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Yeah, it'll lead to segragation all right: the smart from the dumb. Sounds good to me!!
1 posted on 07/09/2002 11:23:12 AM PDT by craig_eddy
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To: craig_eddy
What is really neat is the trend toward group work. Where the best two students in a group of five do the work while all 5 students get the grade. Not a good situation for the middle and lower ranked students either.
2 posted on 07/09/2002 11:27:57 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: craig_eddy
Yeah, it'll lead to segragation all right: the smart from the dumb. Sounds good to me!!

We can't have that!!!We need to have the IQ challenged in their to make it equal. LOL! Love it when the libs go crazy.

3 posted on 07/09/2002 11:29:02 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe
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To: Dialup Llama
Glad to hear that they quit. Three more addle-brained liberals out of the public school system that someone with common sense doesn't have to fire.
4 posted on 07/09/2002 11:29:28 AM PDT by tom h
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To: craig_eddy
They worry students from Spanish-speaking households -- 65 percent of Gilroy High's 2,300 students -- won't enroll in honors classes even if they can do the work because their parents aren't aware the classes exist and won't push their children to take them.

Uh-huh...
blank stare...

I suppose that they would prefer if the more "gifted" students be required to wear headphones that would randomly blair out loud noise to disrupt their train of thought so that they would not get too far ahead of other students and make the less intelligent feel bad.
5 posted on 07/09/2002 11:31:21 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: craig_eddy
Yeah, but... will this affect the Garlic Festival?

Dan

6 posted on 07/09/2002 11:33:16 AM PDT by BibChr
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To: craig_eddy
Awww...buh-bye.
7 posted on 07/09/2002 11:36:20 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: craig_eddy
I've been visiting Gilroy my whole life, and recently it's starting to look like Tiajuana. Yet another quaint little town bites the dust.
8 posted on 07/09/2002 11:37:14 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: craig_eddy
I'm interested in the "resigned" part. My bet is that they were marginal administrators who have decided to back to teaching where they get good pay, great benefits, invincible union protection and don't have to work very hard. I am ceratin the "resigned" part doesn't mean "to unemployed, searching for a job" status. I don't see a San Fran public school principal with that much principle.
9 posted on 07/09/2002 11:38:13 AM PDT by Tacis
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To: craig_eddy
I whole heartedly support advanced classes, as long as they are open to anyone and not restricted by pre-set qualifications. Kids tend to live up to expectations when
they are voluntarily challenged.
10 posted on 07/09/2002 11:43:07 AM PDT by Eva
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To: craig_eddy
There's a problem with this at my school, too. I'm going to be a sophomore next year and I am not allowed to take an AP English class, even thought I scored within the top 3% on the Pre-SAT and passed 9th grade English with a A+. When I tried to push the issue with my counselor, her exact words were: "You can wait."
11 posted on 07/09/2002 11:43:30 AM PDT by belleoftheball414
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To: craig_eddy
They worry students from Spanish-speaking households -- 65 percent of Gilroy High's 2,300 students -- won't enroll in honors classes even if they can do the work because their parents aren't aware the classes exist and won't push their children to take them.

Really. I guess hispanic parents are incapable of caring for their own kids.

More proof (as if more were needed) that it is the liberal do-gooders who are the real racists.

12 posted on 07/09/2002 11:43:31 AM PDT by skeeter
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13 posted on 07/09/2002 11:44:20 AM PDT by mhking
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To: craig_eddy
I'm sorry, when did tracking not become the norm? When my wife (She-who-must-be-obeyed) and I were in school, we were both in what were called "X-Track" (or accelerated track) classes through middle and high school (matter of fact, we were in the same middle school classes and crosstown rival high schools - couldn't stand each other then; but I digress - that's another story). My daughter starts high school next month, and has separate 'honors' courses for various subjects.

The PC crowd would rather dumb down the curriculum for the 'slower' kids? What about the faster ones -- you know, the ones that should be in the more advanced courses -- do the PC crowd want to slow them down so they won't get too advanced for the slower kids to keep up?

Talk about insulting and nuts. Is there any wonder that school children in other cultures and countries are smarter than ours are?

14 posted on 07/09/2002 11:49:43 AM PDT by mhking
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To: craig_eddy
PRINCIPAL, ASSISTANTS SAY DISTRICT PLAN WILL LEAD TO SEGREGATION

Now there's a racist remark if I ever heard one. Sounds like they are hinting that non-whites aren't smart enough to cut it.

15 posted on 07/09/2002 11:52:34 AM PDT by ladtx
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To: craig_eddy
The case for private/home schooling grows ever stronger...
16 posted on 07/09/2002 11:53:22 AM PDT by Viet Vet in Augusta GA
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To: craig_eddy; dighton; aculeus
They worry students from Spanish-speaking households -- 65 percent of Gilroy High's 2,300 students -- won't enroll in honors classes even if they can do the work because their parents aren't aware the classes exist and won't push their children to take them.

What kind of cock-a-manie reasoning is this? Is the honors program a secret? Teachers identify those students who have the capability to handle more advanced courses and the kids usually don't have to be "pushed". For the trigger-happy amongst you, I'm ready.

17 posted on 07/09/2002 11:54:21 AM PDT by Orual
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To: belleoftheball414
I'm going to be a sophomore next year and I am not allowed to take an AP English class, even thought I scored within the top 3% on the Pre-SAT and passed 9th grade English with a A+. When I tried to push the issue with my counselor, her exact words were: "You can wait."

Been there, went through that 25 years ago. I had thought that schools of choice would make things better--if a school district's best and brightest can go to another school, the school district suddenly gets interested in accommodating them. I have seen more responsiveness from districts in the past few years.

The whole leftist attack on G/T education is laughable. It's "elitist", according to these administrators, to challenge the best math students in a school with a more advanced math curriculum. But these same administrators will say it's not equally "elitist" to take the best basketball players in a school, spend money on uniforms, equipment, and transportation, and call them "the basketball team".

18 posted on 07/09/2002 11:56:15 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: Eva
as long as they are open to anyone and not restricted by pre-set qualifications.

Like being able to do advanced math or remember the Table of the Elements? Some classes are ridiculously difficult to get around certain criteria.

19 posted on 07/09/2002 11:57:08 AM PDT by lepton
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To: craig_eddy
The principal and two assistant principals at Gilroy High School have resigned in protest of a district decision to implement a pilot honors program this fall in English and social studies for ninth- and 10th-graders.

Bu-bye!

20 posted on 07/09/2002 11:59:37 AM PDT by Magnum44
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To: craig_eddy
Ammended:

The principal and two assistant principals at Gilroy High School have resigned in protest of a district decision to implement a pilot honors program this fall in English and social studies for ninth- and 10th-graders.

Bu-bye! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

21 posted on 07/09/2002 12:00:49 PM PDT by Magnum44
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To: Orual; craig_eddy; aculeus; general_re
Children who are fit to proceed to a higher class may be artificially kept back, because the others would get a trauma -- Beelzebub, what a useful word! -- by being left behind. The bright pupil thus remains democratically fettered to his own age group throughout his school career, and a boy who would be capable of tackling Aeschylus or Dante sits listening to his coeval's attempts to spell out A CAT SAT ON A MAT.

-- C.S. Lewis, Screwtape Proposes a Toast.


22 posted on 07/09/2002 12:06:14 PM PDT by dighton
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To: tom h
Taking the lead from Bush's speech today, they ought to be banned from the Education Industry for life.
23 posted on 07/09/2002 12:15:18 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: mhking
I pulled my daughter out of public school and sent her to a private school when they cancelled the gifted students classes and she had to go to the slow-to-average classes. She tried to go to this school because her friends were there, but she was miserable, primarily because of the teachers who didn't want to teach a smart kid.

I selected a private school had a gifted students track, and it was the best decision I ever made for her (and I should have sent her to the school earlier, but she wanted to be with her friends). Because I was a single parent with a limited income, her tuition was a sacrifice, but it was an investment in my child. Homeschooling was not yet an option.

In the brief time she spent in a public high school she encounted open hostility from teachers. Her trig teacher accused my daughter of cheating because she did the problems in her head in warp speed....and that was the last day she ever spent in public school. When I withdrew her from school, the guidance counselor told me, "We'll have gifted student classes back in three to four years." I said, "And what shall I do with her in the meantime?" For some reason, he had no answer.

24 posted on 07/09/2002 12:16:47 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
For some reason, he had no answer.

Of course he didn't. The left never does. All they care about is the "feelings" of those who do not have the ability. Feh.

Last summer, at orientation for my son's 3rd grade class, I asked the teacher outright, "What extra material can I get ahold of to help my son at home?"

You'd think I grew a third eye in the middle of my forehead. "Oh, we have everything he needs here at school."

"You don't understand what I'm saying," I continued. "My wife and I WILL be purchasing additional materials for him to do at home. What I want to know is what is on the curriculum so I can supplement it with his extra work at home."

Mind you, several other parents were in the room at the time - most of them knew my wife and I, and had the same questions. All of our kids had been grouped together in an accelerated track class the year prior. We had found out that those classes had been removed for the new school year.

I'm not a small man. Needless to say my size and my articulation can be intimidating to many who don't provide me with what I want. Needless to say, she was suitably intimidated. I stayed in the teacher's face until I got the information I needed. I was polite.

"Thank you; have a nice day," I told her as I left.

I understand from whence you speak.

25 posted on 07/09/2002 12:24:53 PM PDT by mhking
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To: belleoftheball414
There's a problem with this at my school, too. I'm going to be a sophomore next year and I am not allowed to take an AP English class, even thought I scored within the top 3% on the Pre-SAT and passed 9th grade English with a A+. When I tried to push the issue with my counselor, her exact words were: "You can wait."

You won't be able to change their minds on your own, unfortunately - as you've discovered, they won't listen to you. However, school counselors, principals, superintendents, and administrators in general, are all completely spineless when dealing with other adults. The motto of the public-school administrator is "the squeaky wheel gets the grease", so be the squeaky wheel to get what you want.

Bring your parents into the situation - have them skip the counselor and go directly to the principal. If they firmly but politely insist that you be enrolled in this class, you will be. If they do it right, it should take no more than a twenty-minute phone call ;)

26 posted on 07/09/2002 12:35:30 PM PDT by general_re
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To: Catspaw
Great story.

Your child, though, will probably encounter some of the same board and miserable feelings if she goes to college. I went to private school all of my life, and when I graduated, I got a two-year scholarship to our local Community College(same courses that Freshmen and sophomores take at the State college, of course). The first two of the three math courses I had to take consisted mostly of things I had learned from 9th-11th grade(What they called "college Algebra" was called "Algebra I" for 9th graders at my school). I was so board, but had to come to class to take the quizes and turn in homework. Yeh, I could have exempted them, but I still would have had to take other credits.

The sad part was that there were students who literally didn't know such simple algebra concepts as 4/2=2.

27 posted on 07/09/2002 12:35:40 PM PDT by FreeTally
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To: mhking
What about the faster ones -- you know, the ones that should be in the more advanced courses -- do the PC crowd want to slow them down so they won't get too advanced for the slower kids to keep up?

I assume that's a rhetorical question - that's exactly what they want, of course. ;)

After so many years, they've discovered that they can't prop up all the kids and make geniuses of them, so the trick to creating a classless society is to hobble those who would otherwise excel. Insidious and perverse, yes, but there it is...

28 posted on 07/09/2002 12:39:08 PM PDT by general_re
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To: mhking
What about the faster ones -- you know, the ones that should be in the more advanced courses -- do the PC crowd want to slow them down so they won't get too advanced for the slower kids to keep up?

Easy:
1. Kid gets bored silly in class.
2. Kid tries to find something interesting while the teacher repeats the same stuff eight times for the benefit of the dumbest kid in the class.
3. Teacher notices that kid isn't listening, screams "ADHD!"
4. Kid gets drugged into submission with Ritalin.
5. Kid drops out the moment he is legally able to.

Been there, done it all except the Ritalin (wasn't yet invented back then).

29 posted on 07/09/2002 12:39:19 PM PDT by Squawk 8888
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To: Dimensio
Maybe those households should start speaking English like the rest of us and maybe then they would eventually be "aware" of the available honors program. This is soon worse than in Sweden where no grades are given to make sure we do not rank the students. I left Sweden for a reason, now I might as well return there because the grand old US of A is nothing more than a communist satelite nation soon.
30 posted on 07/09/2002 12:41:05 PM PDT by Jamten
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To: FreeTally
Oh, she's graduated from college & is out in the big, bad world.

She did just fine in college. She tested out of the basics as fast as she could, took other classes, had a ball--the college she went to had professors who were delighted to teach her. Although she was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis a few years ago, there's nothing wrong with her brain, so she's now working for a very innovative electronics company. It's a good place for her. She can use her intelligence and her creativity. Talk about thinking out of the box! That's my kid.

31 posted on 07/09/2002 12:42:06 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: mhking
This is like Sweden in a nutshell! (Pun intended)
32 posted on 07/09/2002 12:44:01 PM PDT by Jamten
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To: FreeTally
you should have spent more time learning to spell..."i was so board" that kind of board is made of wood.....or did you really mean to say that you were "wooded" or stiff as a board? or do you just not know the difference between board and bored??? fonics away!!!!!!!!
33 posted on 07/09/2002 12:51:09 PM PDT by cajun-jack
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To: cajun-jack
I think quik, akt quic and therefore tyep quik, ok?
34 posted on 07/09/2002 12:52:45 PM PDT by FreeTally
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To: Catspaw
Great to here that!
35 posted on 07/09/2002 12:53:28 PM PDT by FreeTally
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To: *Education News
Index Bump
36 posted on 07/09/2002 1:07:13 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Dialup Llama
You're right.

Recent research shows students learn better in a mixed class, especially when the teacher sometimes breaks up the class into small groups according to academic ability. However, other research suggests extremely bright students benefit from separate classes.

What's with the "however"? The brightest don't learn in small groups, they teach. Gawd, I'm glad they didn't pull this crap when I was in school. It was bad enough as it was.

37 posted on 07/09/2002 1:25:21 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: belleoftheball414
Too bad you're white. (Yes, I can tell.) You could raise a big stink.
38 posted on 07/09/2002 1:27:35 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: craig_eddy
After some soul-searching, I decided to give this issue another thought. I decided to try and understand this issue from the point of view of disadvantaged Hispanic immigrants who, simply because they were not raised in an English-speaking environment, may be deprived of the opportunity to participate in these Honors programs. I considered the isolation that they might feel from not partipating and the stigmatism that might result. I have come to a conclusion as a result of this reevaulation.

Tell 'em to shut up and get over it or go back to Mexico.
39 posted on 07/09/2002 1:30:00 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: mhking
Well, when this ijut guidance counselor (who also was dead set against her leaving the public school system because "her test scores are so high they bring up the entire class") told me it'd be 3-4 years before they had the gifted student classes back, I wondered, "well, gee, should I place her in suspended animation until the school system catches up with her?" What some of these public school geniuses would do when confronted with a gifted student was to add more of the same homework on her, rather than to give her supplemental material.

A few of her teachers were enthused about teaching her, because she was a challenge, but they were in the minority. She did attend gifted students summer camps and took her first college math class in 6th grade, her first credit college class when she was in 7th grade. My fear was that someone in the news would find out that she was already in college (at least part-time) at that age and turn her into a freak.

She did just fine in college, but really didn't have an urge to go on past her bachelors. And, at that age, it was her decision.

The most humorous moment came for her was when she was a junior in college and some of her public school classmates were entering freshmen. Boy, did she lord THAT over them :-))

40 posted on 07/09/2002 1:50:41 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: mhking
The PC crowd would rather dumb down the curriculum for the 'slower' kids?

Yup. Here in Montgomery Kounty,MD, there was a math curriculum audit a few years ago. At the end of the audit, the county was basically told if you don't lower the bar, you're racist. Pretty amazing and very sad. The soft bigotry of low expectations.
(And of coarse, the Kounty's first response was "OK! Where do we start?!?" but the parents went ballistic and it never came about.)
41 posted on 07/09/2002 1:58:48 PM PDT by lizma
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To: stands2reason
I'm impressed. What gave me away?
42 posted on 07/09/2002 2:00:36 PM PDT by belleoftheball414
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To: Dimensio
I think that Kurt Vonnegut's story "Harrison Bergeron" will eventually be a reality. The gifted will be forced to wear devices that make them less so in order to make everyone equal. Sounds like something libs would really go for.
43 posted on 07/09/2002 2:16:42 PM PDT by drew
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To: Godel
I applaud these parents. They have chosen to fight the educational drift to mediocrity. I was shocked once to read in a local paper that a teacher was complaining about gifted classes because they made the educational gap between gifted/nongifted wider. We need to educate each student to achieve his maximum potential, not try to make them all equal.
44 posted on 07/09/2002 2:35:24 PM PDT by carra
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To: craig_eddy
The "top" three administrators of this school QUIT over the implementation of "Honors Classes" WOW!

Just think of what we could accomplish if we implemented Honors Programs across the entire country, and ADD merit pay for good teachers, fired the clymers and threw in vouchers for the big city getto kids.

This combined effort would surely lead to thousands of leftist moronic teachers and administrators leaping from tall buildings....

Oh, the horror of it all....
Semper Fi

45 posted on 07/09/2002 2:38:39 PM PDT by river rat
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To: belleoftheball414
LOL!! You're serious??? Actually, there was a chance that you could have been Asian, also. The scholls don't care about helping white and Asian students succeed. They're trying to close the gap between black (and hispanic) and white (and Asian) students. If you do well, that only makes their job harder. They would much rather save that place in the A.P. class for a so-called "underprivileged" student. Not you. Get it?
46 posted on 07/09/2002 2:53:13 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Squawk 8888
You forgot:

6. Kid stops taking Ritalin at 18, wakes up from stupor as an emotionally-stunted adult, grabs gun and kills first kid who disses him because he never learned to handle setback as an adolescent.

-PJ

47 posted on 07/09/2002 2:57:04 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: Eva; lepton
as long as they are open to anyone and not restricted by pre-set qualifications.

as long as they're open to anyone, including those who don't qualify... so that they can hold back those who do qualify. Yeah, great idea!

48 posted on 07/09/2002 4:43:34 PM PDT by Motherhood IS a career
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To: Eva
as long as they are open to anyone and not restricted by pre-set qualifications

As long as we're applying that principle to the teaching profession, I don't see why we shouldn't apply it to students as well.

While we're at it, why don't we apply it to the space program, or to the fire department, or to any other field? What the hell? Why should anyone qualify for anything?

49 posted on 07/09/2002 4:51:48 PM PDT by Motherhood IS a career
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To: stands2reason
Perfectly clear, thank you. ; )
50 posted on 07/09/2002 5:55:12 PM PDT by belleoftheball414
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