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Cannabis 'worse than tobacco'
BBC News ^ | 10 July 2002

Posted on 07/10/2002 7:15:32 AM PDT by SheLion

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To: 07055
Most pot smokers already smoke in private or with other smokers and do not subject others in public to their smoke.

Have you been to a Rock concert at any time during the past 35 years? ;-)

Again, I say, "Most pot smokers already smoke in private or with other smokers . . . (See, I have been to a concert ; )

Okay, I admit there are some 'subjected' to the smoke who probably aren't smokers.

41 posted on 07/10/2002 7:50:35 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: jae471
Alot of it is purely psychological

I've done both before. Tobacco and pot while in school. I think both are fine if used as a social type thing. I wouldn't recommend 18 wheel truck driving, though.
The brownies were the best because the buz is not so brain deadening and the taste is awful - the chocolate helps to cover that.
The old Mexican was pretty weak stuff, and the joint had to be the size of a cigar. That was best for brownies.
I've had stuff from Canada (Canadian skunk) that when used in a one hitter only took about 2 good hits and it was enough. If you did anymore, you'd have to ask what year it was!

42 posted on 07/10/2002 7:50:44 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Wolfie
Maybe if we forced bulls to smoke weed we could double milk production.
43 posted on 07/10/2002 7:50:47 AM PDT by shempy
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To: SheLion
Legalize it and require sellers to put the appropriate warning on the side of the pack. Then, caveat emptor.
44 posted on 07/10/2002 7:51:38 AM PDT by hauerf
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To: shempy
They've actually been around for a few years now. I have a friend who is an insane pot head. He's a "wake and bake". Been so for almost all of the 15 years I've known him. He had a vaporizer at least 5 years ago. It was kind of a crude device - looks like a crystal ball, with a hose coming out of the bottom. I think there are newer devices.

I wonder if this is anything like those smokeless cigarettes they tried to come out with a few years ago. Vaporizing the tabacco might be a lot healthier for addicted smokers. Maybe the nicotine will still cause other complications like heart disease... but at least the lung risk might be reduced, as well as second hand smoke issues.

45 posted on 07/10/2002 7:52:02 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: SheLion
yet smoking cannabis is at least as harmful as smoking tobacco

Well, then, don't smoke it. Try Alice B. Toklas' brownie recipe instead. ;-)

46 posted on 07/10/2002 7:52:42 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: coloradan
Furthermore, cannabis doesn't need to be smoked at all to obtain the effect - it can be baked into brownies and eaten ...

I'd like to suggest baking it in with cupcakes rather than brownies. Add the pot after pouring out the batter. Doing it that way makes it easier to regulate how much pot you ingest.

47 posted on 07/10/2002 7:53:20 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Then there was the infamous TULANE STUDY using rhesus monkeys.
48 posted on 07/10/2002 7:54:01 AM PDT by Dakmar
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To: concerned about politics
The brownies were the best because the buz is not so brain deadening and the taste is awful - the chocolate helps to cover that.

10 years ago I had a bad brownie experience. I didn't know how much weed I should use, so I used an ounce - for one small pan of brownies. I ate one and went out to eat with some friends. About 40 minutes later - WOOOOMSHH - it came on like a big wave. Suddenly I was not fit to be in public. The next day I cut the rest of the brownies in real small pieces.

49 posted on 07/10/2002 7:55:22 AM PDT by shempy
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To: DumpsterDiver
Actually, the best way is to make butter out of the marijuana first, then use the butter as an ingredient. Or so I've heard.
50 posted on 07/10/2002 7:55:50 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: SheLion
She said regardless of cannabis's legal status, many young people will make their own decision about whether they wish to use it or not.

Why do I get the impression that she thinks that young people making their own decisions is a bad thing?

Pot burns hotter than tobacco, but you smoke much, much less of it. But it's still smoking. Based on - ahem - extensive personal research I'd guess it's less carcinogenic than tobacco due primarily to dosage, but that its health risks are not zero, and not just cancer-related, smoking anything tends to increase blood pressure and put exotic organic compounds onto skin whose reactions vary from individual to individual but which are occasionally detrimental.

Is it as "harmful" as tobacco? Well, tobacco isn't necessarily "harmful" to everyone, so blanket statements such as this are not necessarily that helpful to debate. Is it risk-free to everyone? I doubt that seriously. Will there be social costs associated with legalization? I think that is inevitable. Will these be worse than the social costs we're paying to support the WOD? My personal belief is that they will not be, but they won't be zero.

And no, I don't smoke the stuff any more.

51 posted on 07/10/2002 7:55:53 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: TheOtherOne
Most pot smokers already smoke in private or with other smokers and do not subject others in public to their smoke.

Shoot! Why not? Could be a cheap high for us. heh!

52 posted on 07/10/2002 7:56:13 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Wolfie
Actually, the best way is to make butter out of the marijuana first, then use the butter as an ingredient. Or so I've heard.

Since the THC is fat soluble, is can be sauteed or otherwise induced into butter. Then any recipie could be used with the new enhanced butter.

53 posted on 07/10/2002 8:00:30 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: TheOtherOne
Yep...although you kinda have to get used to green butter. Or so I've heard.
54 posted on 07/10/2002 8:01:25 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
It kinda looks like thyme butter. I, uh, read it in USA Today, yeah, that's it...
55 posted on 07/10/2002 8:04:02 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: DumpsterDiver
Furthermore, cannabis doesn't need to be smoked at all to obtain the effect - it can be baked into brownies and eaten ...

That would pretty much have to be the answer to the lung argument.
Tobacco smokers can smoke up to 2 packs per day, or 40 cigaretts. Imagine 40 joints a day! That certainly would increase the risk of lung problems!
Tobacco is poison and cannot be injested without toxins, pot can and isn't poison.
Although I feel it should be a social thing, like having a drink, I vote for eating it.

56 posted on 07/10/2002 8:04:24 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Wolfie
My favorite way to use weed for cooking is using acetone. You put the weed in a mason jar and pour acetone over it. Stir it up good until it turn dark dark green. Then pour it through a cheese cloth into a pyrex baking dish. Put the weed back in the mason jar and repeat until the acetone stays clear. Then have a fan pointed at the baking dish until the acetone evaporates. It leaves a hard blackish green sticky coating on the dish. Then just add corn oil to dissolve it. You can bake with this black oil in anything that requires corn oil.
57 posted on 07/10/2002 8:07:09 AM PDT by shempy
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To: SheLion
One of the important facts, evidently not considered in this study, is that tobacco smokers tend to smoke all day long (sometimes two and three full packs) and marijuana smokers tend to smoke only one or two reefers a day. The chemical content of the two substances has to be weighed against the amount actually consumed.
58 posted on 07/10/2002 8:07:13 AM PDT by DonQ
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To: concerned about politics
Any smoke put into the lungs is known to be detrimental to one's health. Fire fighters who breath lots of smoke during their careers often fall ill with lung problems years later. The alveoli that exchange gases in our lungs are extremely delicate and easily damaged.

That cigarrette smoke is harmful is obvious. All you need is to see is a set of human lungs of a dead smoker. I saw a pair of tar-blackened, cancerous lungs in a hospital morgue once and decided then and there never to smoke. The physician that showed us the torso and lungs said the victim had smoked for 25 years and that was his death penalty at age 40. While he explained the case to us, the doc was smoking.

59 posted on 07/10/2002 8:08:39 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: SheLion
This article is pure bullsh!t.

No one smokes 10-20 marijuana cigarettes a day like the 1-2 pack a day cigarette smokers who damage their lungs and get cancer.

Marijuana ought to be legalized and sold in a controlled fashion like alchohol. It is, on the whole, probably less dangerous than alchohol. I've never heard of a person DYING from using marijuana; it must be pretty rare (more than 100,000 people a year die from alchohol related diseases and accidents). It doesn't even increase their auto accident rate (they just slow down).

I don't use marijuana. But I don't like the enormous criminality and corruption that follows from its being illegal. It's just like what happened during Prohibition. The corruption and crime are worse than anything the drug does.

60 posted on 07/10/2002 8:10:11 AM PDT by NoLongerLurker
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