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Sex scandal death knell for Church? [Bernadin & Co.'s ritualistic abuse exposed]
WorldNetDaily ^ | 7/17/02 | Toby Westerman

Posted on 07/17/2002 6:58:26 AM PDT by Polycarp

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To: ThomasMore
Yes, prayer and fasting is what we must do to defeat the demon's assault on Holy Mother Church.
21 posted on 07/17/2002 9:40:55 AM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Polycarp; scripter; Yakboy
Bump
22 posted on 07/17/2002 9:52:38 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: maryz
Hallelujah! They got rid of that filthy pig, Cawcutt! It's about time.
23 posted on 07/17/2002 9:56:42 AM PDT by Palladin
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To: sitetest; sinkspur
My friend, that's one of the best posts I've ever read on this site...and I totally agree with my friend sinkspur on this; thank you for your wise words...

You put into graphic detail my unease with much of what RCF does...which leads me to ask, if they are the "Faithful", why are they called a "reform" group?! maybe a "restore" group would characterize them more accurately? (or NOT!)...

There's a reason Neuhaus defends Bernardin. Maybe he's read some of Brady's stuff...exactly, and eventually it will be determined which one represents the truth of the matter, which is not to say that either one is all "right" or all "wrong", but merely to say that the truth must be known before justice can be served...

24 posted on 07/17/2002 9:57:12 AM PDT by 88keys
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To: livius
"(Fr. Neuhaus is) a convert, after all, and it's very hard to see this sort of thing in a Church that he obviously loves. Recently his statements in First Things have been very forthright and unsparing, while he still tries to avoid making charges he doesn't think could be sustained without further facts. Not that this a bad idea, of course!

THAT'S what I was trying to say (although I added the "emphasis")...thanks!! ; )

25 posted on 07/17/2002 10:05:30 AM PDT by 88keys
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To: Polycarp
"Sex scandal death knell for Church?"

They WISH...

"As the crisis of confidence grows in the scandal-ridden American Catholic Church, many in the laity and clergy are skeptical that Church hierarchy will take effective corrective action and are moving toward reforming the institution from the grass-roots level.

DUH!!

"In another incident, which was reported to the FBI, Brady learned from a second-hand source that an e-mail message was circulating on the Internet stating that someone has placed a "contract" out for Brady's assassination."

Just one more indication that the "orders" these "priests" received were fraudulent. The true EVIL of these spurious priests and bishops is going to knock the socks off people. This is a SMELLY situation, but it must be dealt with and pursued to its conclusion, whatever that is.

It's hard to imagine how deep this goes, and what it involves. We are in for a very hairy, scary ride, friends.

"Before completely severing ties with the priest, however, Pellegrini discovered that The Boys' Club was involved with far more than homosexual relations. Tied closely with their sexual exploits was ritualistic satanic worship and the regular abuse of young children from low-income, ethnic families."

Sickening, but not surprising. It's going to be interesting when ol' Scratch decides it's time to call in all his mortgages.

"Left unanswered was how Bernardin learned of the killing and why he should personally visit the scene of a relatively unimportant individual whom he had no reason to know. "

Anybody who thinks/thought Bernardin was a holy man is worse than a FOOL. I have no proof, but my own speculative opinion is that Bernardin was the "President" of this club. I don't know who his successor in evil might be. Any suggestions?

26 posted on 07/17/2002 11:00:05 AM PDT by redhead
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To: redhead
Dear redhead,

" I have no proof, but my own speculative opinion is that Bernardin was the 'President' of this club."

If you have no proof, then perhaps you could refrain from offering your entirely unsubstantiated opinion, which essentially calls a deceased cardinal of the Catholic Church the leader of a satanic cult.

sitetest

27 posted on 07/17/2002 11:07:38 AM PDT by sitetest
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To: sitetest; Siobhan; SMEDLEYBUTLER
From the article:"During their inquiry into the membership and activities of The Boys' Club, a woman identifying herself as the girlfriend of a murdered church organist contacted the investigators and stated that she had information that would be useful to them. The woman's friend was one Frank Pellegrini, once the organist and choir director at All Saints-St. Anthony of Padua Catholic Church on Chicago's South Side. Pellegrini had also served as chair of the Sociology Department of Loyola University of Chicago. According to the information obtained from the girlfriend, Pellegrini had a homosexual relationship with one of the priests involved in The Boys' Club, but was in the process of leaving the priest-lover and marrying her. Before completely severing ties with the priest, however, Pellegrini discovered that The Boys' Club was involved with far more than homosexual relations. Tied closely with their sexual exploits was ritualistic satanic worship and the regular abuse of young children from low-income, ethnic families. Pellegrini informed the Chicago Archdiocesan Chancery, and scheduled a meeting with one of the archdiocese's top officials. The day before the meeting, Pellegrini was brutally murdered in his home, which showed no signs of forced entry."

The article also mentions that Pelligrini was active in the priest-homosexual club and had reported activities to the diocese. This was not exactly your average, faceless parishioner. There's such a thing as police radio transmissions. There are also "tips" which get passed between homosexuals, between police and friends. Presumably, there could be gay cops. At any rate, there's not enough information in the article to be able to evaluate the account of Bernardin's materialization at a crime scene. Suffice it to say, the guy was a pretty weird liberal activist and a pro-gay sympathizer. If anything in the article is even remotely factual, it deserves a thorough investigation by people more competent than Gov. Keating, Bennett, and the U.S. bishops. IF the allegations are just smears, they still should be investigated and put to rest.

28 posted on 07/17/2002 11:35:53 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: sinkspur
I suspect Neuhaus may have known Bernardin to some degree, so this may color his attitude as well. I think this is true of us all, that we see the good in a person and wonder how he could not be what he seems.
29 posted on 07/17/2002 12:02:00 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: ThomasMore
I agree. The Lord has permitted these problems for a greater good. We can only speculate what that may be, but we are under his protection.

I believe that out of this will come a tremendous renewal. There are already signs of the Holy Spirit at work. For instance, the Godless want to March on Washington because they see many returning to God and are afraid of it.

Prayer and fasting, amen. Prayer and fasting, bump. Praise you Abba, praise you Lord Jesus Christ, praise you Spirit of God.

30 posted on 07/17/2002 12:02:40 PM PDT by WriteOn
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
If anything in the article is even remotely factual, it deserves a thorough investigation by people more competent than Gov. Keating, Bennett, and the U.S. bishops. IF the allegations are just smears, they still should be investigated and put to rest.

Unless I'm reading it incorrectly, the RCF article states that much of it was investigated, by Callaghan and Adema. All they could come up with is innuendo and rumors and loose connections.

I'm no fan of Bernardin, but trying to paint him as some kind of ecclesiastical mobster with this evidence is flimsy. Besides, too many of the players have passed on to do any kind of conclusive investigation.

Why hasn't anyone tried to do an investigation of Cardinal Spellman of New York, who, in the 50's, is rumored to have kept a bevy of chorus boys for his enjoyment?

31 posted on 07/17/2002 12:20:12 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
I'm not so sure about the RCF myself, but as a Catholic the fact that priests can mess around with boys AT ALL blows my mind. The fact that the higher-ups cover up and cover up and cover up (LAW!!!!) allowing truly evil people to get away with their crimes makes me very sad. I've almost considered converting to some protestant religion. I could rant for hours, but I won't.
32 posted on 07/17/2002 12:20:35 PM PDT by jjm2111
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To: WriteOn; ThomasMore
WriteOn:I agree. The Lord has permitted these problems for a greater good. We can only speculate what that may be, but we are under his protection. I believe that out of this will come a tremendous renewal.

An interesting point.

One of the primary areas of secular, modern, liberal decadence has been mass confusion about the gravity of moral evil. There has been a blurring in the modern mind, thanks to moral and cultural relativism, that any profoundly real distinction between good and evil exists at all. This is a wake-up call. Faith is the cure. We need a restoration of dignity and gravitas for the formal life and practice of faith within the Church. Real spiritual renewal in the authentic, orthodox sense.

33 posted on 07/17/2002 12:22:57 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: jjm2111
I've almost considered converting to some protestant religion.

Why on earth would you do that? Go from one embarrassing religion to another embarrassing religion?

The hierarchy and clergy are NOT the Church. You and I are. Besides, I'm not allowing ANYBODY or ANYTHING to drive me away from Jesus in the Blessed Eucharist.

34 posted on 07/17/2002 12:25:19 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Interesting question. Any dead bodies in the Spellman rumor files? Maybe that's a significant difference. No idea. I think it is pretty horrible that Catholics have to read this kind of crap with growing doubts about how much is true. The gay mafia soiling the Church in America have certainly not helped in this regard - whether the more sensationalist allegations are deranged fantasy or based in fact. Horrible.
35 posted on 07/17/2002 12:26:55 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: sinkspur
Are you sure no one has investigated the Spellman case?
36 posted on 07/17/2002 12:33:00 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: sinkspur
That's why I said "almost considered", I figured without good people the Catholic church, and with the grace of God I consider myself a (relatively) good person. Might as well stay and fight the bastards. :)
37 posted on 07/17/2002 1:07:11 PM PDT by jjm2111
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To: sinkspur
Besides, I'm not allowing ANYBODY or ANYTHING to drive me away from Jesus in the Blessed Eucharist.

Well said. It is not the faithful who need to go.

SD

38 posted on 07/17/2002 1:12:41 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: sinkspur
Unless I'm reading it incorrectly, the RCF article states that much of it was investigated, by Callaghan and Adema. All they could come up with is innuendo and rumors and loose connections.

Granted, there's far less than a smoking gun in the RCF reports. But a dead body of a homosexual reporting of sex abuse and homosexual conspiracies in the Church - right before that relevant testimony is about to be delivered to church authorities - is not exactly a rumor or innuendo. Determining why such a person may have been executed is a legitimate topic for investigations by journalists, law enforcement, and concerned Catholics.

39 posted on 07/17/2002 1:36:42 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: sinkspur
Why hasn't anyone tried to do an investigation of Cardinal Spellman of New York, who, in the 50's, is rumored to have kept a bevy of chorus boys for his enjoyment

I've often wondered about that. Spellman was mightily connected though, including the infamous Roy Cohen.

40 posted on 07/17/2002 1:38:48 PM PDT by Burn24
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