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HE'S A HYPOCRITE WITH GUTLESS STANCE (Tiger Woods)
NYPOST ^ | July 17, 2002 | Mark Cannizzaro

Posted on 07/18/2002 11:11:56 AM PDT by Michael2001

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:07:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

GULLANE, Scotland - Tiger Woods, who champions himself as a man vehemently against exclusionary policies for reasons of race or anything else, should be ashamed at the gutless straddle-the-fence answer he delivered yesterday to a question about women not being allowed as members of Augusta National. "[Augusta National is] entitled to set up their own rules the way they want them," said Woods, whose early existence in golf was all about opening doors to those like himself who were excluded because of prejudice, emphasized by his first Nike TV commercial that blared against his exclusion from certain golf clubs because of the color of his skin.


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Or maybe he just wants to be a golfer and not a politician. Plus, if he's pissing off Jackson's Rainbow Push then he's gotta be doing something right
1 posted on 07/18/2002 11:11:56 AM PDT by Michael2001
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To: Sabertooth
I know you always like the sports threads
2 posted on 07/18/2002 11:12:36 AM PDT by Michael2001
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To: Michael2001
It's scary that the most influential person in sports - and well beyond - has allowed himself to acquiesce to such nonsense.

Well, it doesn't apply to a whole host of sports figures and celebrities who make mindless remarks and champion nonsensical liberal causes.

3 posted on 07/18/2002 11:16:11 AM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: Michael2001; CheneyChick; vikingchick; Victoria Delsoul; WIMom; one_particular_harbour; ...
Thanks for the ping...

It appears Tiger Woods is a champion of the right of free association. Who knew?



4 posted on 07/18/2002 11:17:34 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Michael2001
Or maybe he just wants to be a golfer and not a politician.

Tiger has made it to where he is today without a lot of whining about the hurdles he faced, and I don't see why he should get involved in this issue.

Let Jesse and his ilk take up the cause if it's so darned important.
5 posted on 07/18/2002 11:21:46 AM PDT by scholar
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To: Michael2001
It's scary that the most influential person in sports - and well beyond - has allowed himself to acquiesce to such nonsense

I find this kind of nonsense scary.

I remember listening to some talk radio station when I was still living in Boston, and some yutz 'of color' was on decrying Tiger Woods for being a sell out to his race because he was calling himself a 'caublinasian' and not identifying with the black community and serving as a standard bearer for the party line.

Said yutz's contention was that Tiger was showing great disrespect to all those who'd worked so hard for civil rights. He was thumbing his nose at Rosa Parks, Reverend King, Malcolm X, et al by not playing the race card. Moreover, by adopting a color blind stance, he was not only dissing his people, the ungreatful little cretin, but acting as a poor role model for disadvantaged (read: liberal blacks still on the entitlement plantation) youths by 'pretending to be white'.

Every liberal knows, a good African American is a subserviant, victimized African American, it's the 'uppity ones' that you gotta watch out for. Just look at the hatchet job performed on Jack E. Robinson in Jamaica Plain.

6 posted on 07/18/2002 11:23:02 AM PDT by RepoGirl
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To: Michael2001
But in this case, his comments yesterday - condoning the exclusion of women (and anyone else, for that matter) from private clubs - are deplorable and utterly hypocritical based on the man he sells to the public.

Give me a freakin' break. There is no way this compares to race discrimination. Women are a bunch of whiny babies (myself excluded). They are perfectly free to have a club for women only. I hope Tiger doesn't cave to the pressure! There is a huge difference between REAL and PERVASIVE discrimination and simply a private club's right to free association.

7 posted on 07/18/2002 11:25:35 AM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: Michael2001
Tiger continues to amaze people. He now leaves the sports baiters aghast by confirming the right of people to associate with whomever they choose. I think it is a bigger headline than the pinheaded journalists wanted.
8 posted on 07/18/2002 11:26:31 AM PDT by caisson71
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To: Sabertooth
Last night ,on CBS, (I watch it just to get the leftist view of reality) Rather lead the story off with the usual breathless BS, along the lines of "Tiger Woods finds himself in a growing controversy over recent remarks" They played a clip of him saying "Its their place, they can do what they want" I kept waiting to hear the scandelous part til I realized, in the eyes of the PC left, that was it. Amazing. The leftists think any individual property rights are null, void and history.
9 posted on 07/18/2002 11:28:02 AM PDT by tm61
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To: Michael2001
I recall that Tigger was vehemently against a semi handicapped golfer who wanted to use a cart.
10 posted on 07/18/2002 11:30:04 AM PDT by latrans
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To: Michael2001
The gutless wonder of the article is the author: Mark Cannizzaro.

He's a sniveling little baby who hides behind his writing and won't accomplish, in his life, 1/100th of what Tiger's accomplished.  

He's a nothing...a nobody.

Not that I'm all that fond of Woods.  There's something about his attitude...seems bad sometimes.  But, I think I'm seeing a little of my own bad attitude in him - minus the "being the best at what you do" aspect - and that makes me uncomfortable with him.

Still, he did nothing to warrant this puerile Cannizzaro twittle-rant.

11 posted on 07/18/2002 11:33:19 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: latrans
I think every "true" golfer was against that guy.

It was BS.

12 posted on 07/18/2002 11:34:25 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Michael2001
I think a lot of sportswriters are dying for a chance to slam Tiger Woods but have a hard time doing it without sounding like an idiot or non-PC. This was a golden politically correct opportunity to get in some shots.
13 posted on 07/18/2002 11:34:52 AM PDT by perez24
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To: tm61
Here in the Northeast, sports writers (except George Will) are a bunch of whiny liberals like almost all other 'journalists'.
14 posted on 07/18/2002 11:34:59 AM PDT by LisaFab
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To: Michael2001
women play slow
15 posted on 07/18/2002 11:35:04 AM PDT by goo goo g'joob
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To: Michael2001
Way to go Tiger.
16 posted on 07/18/2002 11:35:07 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: Michael2001
Thank God there is a celebrity with the use of a "bully pulpit" who doesn't think his opinions are the end all and be all. Private Associations are a freedom in this country. They don't have to be open to anyone other than those they wish. Place that in your anal cavity Mr. Cannizzaro.
17 posted on 07/18/2002 11:37:21 AM PDT by elephantlips
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To: Michael2001
Mark Cannizzaro (the author) must have played a really bad round lately.
18 posted on 07/18/2002 11:37:33 AM PDT by grumpster-dumpster
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To: Michael2001
Tiger Woods is one of the few true heroes in sports today.
19 posted on 07/18/2002 11:37:45 AM PDT by jpl
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To: tm61; mhking; Trueblackman
Remember when Tiger refused to be used as a black prop by Bill Clinton on the Golden Anniversary of Jackie Robinson's entry into the big leagues?

Jackie Robinson was a Republican, btw.



20 posted on 07/18/2002 11:38:27 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: RAT Patrol
Women are a bunch of whiny babies

As well as slow golfers. No wonder they want them as members.

Honestly though, what real bothers me about this whole affair is this...about 4 or 5 years ago, Tiger made the Nike commercial talking about all the courses he had the wrong color of skin to play on. They really pissed me off. Now this. My question is this: Which way is it, Tiger? My gut feeling is that Ole Tiger would say or do anything for a buck and if something isn't scripted, he doesn't have much of an opinion on the subject.

21 posted on 07/18/2002 11:39:17 AM PDT by USAF_ret
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22 posted on 07/18/2002 11:40:15 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Michael2001
Good for Tiger.

How dare someone insist a private club change their membership rules to suit them?

I hope Augusta National never gives in on this issue.

They gave into letting a black in, and what does he do? He starts campaigning to let women in. I hope they've learned their lesson.
23 posted on 07/18/2002 11:41:13 AM PDT by Guillermo
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To: Michael2001
Hell hath no fury like a liberal scorned.

Seems the libs always save their most potent vitriol for blacks who refuse to play ball.

24 posted on 07/18/2002 11:41:38 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Michael2001
Here we have yet another sports hack who is upset that Tiger won't kowtow to his ideal of what a "professional black athlete" is supposed to be.

God forbid we have another Allen Iverson haul out a pistol and break down someone's door at all hours of the night... (and I'm sure nary a word from most of these so-called journalists)

25 posted on 07/18/2002 11:41:51 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Michael2001
Three cheers for Tiger. He puts his energy into his game. Period. Just by being there and winning consistently, he's a wonderful example for minority kids. He doesn't need to do another thing and he knows it.
26 posted on 07/18/2002 11:46:15 AM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: Michael2001
A no-women sports event? Slavery?

Someone needs to set up a fund to keep Mr. Cannizzaro in prozac. It's not gonna come cheap ;).

27 posted on 07/18/2002 11:47:10 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Michael2001
...second-class golf citizenship...

Golf Citizenship? ok now they're just being silly.

Perhaps the NAGs want to point out a few prospective ladies who would actually make good candidates for membership. Keep in mind that they have to be able to pay the immense membership fees, be agreeable to existing members and happily accept the rules of the club.

28 posted on 07/18/2002 11:50:26 AM PDT by jz638
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To: mhking
Tiger is wise beyond his years. His parents did a good job.
29 posted on 07/18/2002 11:50:40 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: latrans
Not true...I think the older guys (e.g., Nicklaus and Palmer) were against the Casey Martin exception.
30 posted on 07/18/2002 11:52:52 AM PDT by JonH
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To: Michael2001
It's scary that "newspapers" like the NY Post can continue to be viable considering the trash they report.

Go Tiger!

31 posted on 07/18/2002 11:54:40 AM PDT by eleni121
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To: RAT Patrol
Well if Tiger Woods were constantly whining about the evils of exclusion and then joined an exclusionary club, then he would be a hypocrite. To the best of my knowledge this is not the case. It seems he is minding his own business.

Most sportswriters are Liberial wusses. People have a right to free association, these problems have no problems with women's clubs of various sorts or pc ethnic clubs. I wonder if they think we should be offended if a African American were to exclude whites and asians? What if members of the KKK wanted to march in a NAACP sponsored MLK day parade?, or if mane Operation Rescue members wanted to join NOW?

I've never been a joiner, but the Femanazis should leave Agusta alone and the PC sportswriters should leave Tiger Woods alone. The author here is a pompous buffoon.

32 posted on 07/18/2002 11:55:37 AM PDT by Leto
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To: USAF_ret
Tiger made the Nike commercial talking about all the courses he had the wrong color of skin to play on. They really pissed me off.

I am not a history buff on this subject so I don't know the whole story, but, if golf courses do not allow blacks or asians I think that really is a bigger issue than male or female. There is a physical difference between men and women (thus the "slow golfers"). Race is totally different and discrimination is based on prejudice and nothing else.

You really don't see a difference?

33 posted on 07/18/2002 11:56:40 AM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: Michael2001
Why doesn't the LPGA let men play?
34 posted on 07/18/2002 11:57:16 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: LisaFab
speaking of whiny sports reporters, I'd bet my last dollar that punk from sports illustrated, rick reilly, will do a classic hand wringing piece from his last page soap box about this. Guranteed. I let my subscription expire years ago because of the way this magazine has deteriorated. I found an old copy from the 70's in my attic and couldnt believe what a great magazine it once was as compared to todays PC, apologistic crap.
35 posted on 07/18/2002 11:59:48 AM PDT by tm61
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To: USAF_ret
My gut feeling is that Ole Tiger would say or do anything for a buck and if something isn't scripted, he doesn't have much of an opinion on the subject.

Uh, make that anything he CHOOSES to do, whether for a buck, or not. Surely you don't believe Tiger has some obligation to women per Augusta - or any other club for that matter? Where does it stop?

36 posted on 07/18/2002 12:01:01 PM PDT by toddst
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To: latrans
I recall that Tigger was vehemently against a semi handicapped golfer who wanted to use a cart.

Do you want to document that claim? Trust me, it'll be easier (and faster) for you just to say, "I recalled wrong" - because Tiger never took a position on Casey Martin's status.

37 posted on 07/18/2002 12:01:03 PM PDT by PMCarey
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To: RAT Patrol
I used to work a PGA tournament. We played at an all-white country club. Our group elected a black president and the media went crazy over whether they would grant him automatic membership like the other presidents.

He was accepted unanimously. Oddly, he was the first African-American to ever apply to the course. Odd that.

38 posted on 07/18/2002 12:01:58 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I think every "true" golfer was against that guy.

I wasn't 'against the guy' but I was against a US Federal Court imposing itself and deciding what the rules of golf should be. IMHO, they had no constitutional jurisdiction.

As to women at Augusta National, who cares? This is a non-issue. Some multimillionaire female may eventually join, but that does not mean diddly squat for any of us. That club is totally exclusive and only the super wealthy and connected need apply and most of those are turned down.

It 'discriminates' aganst 99.999% of people and it is perfectly free to do so. It is a private club.

39 posted on 07/18/2002 12:02:23 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Michael2001
Tiger is the best golfer ever to play the game. He got there through God given talent and hard work. He has been discriminated against and overcome every obstacle. He lets his clubs do his talking. What is so hard to understand? His life's work is golf not civil rights.

I do not have to agree with the Lords of Augusta to respect their right to run a club in the way they see fit. Women's purses in the LPGA tourneys exceed by far what PGA purses were not that long ago.

40 posted on 07/18/2002 12:06:18 PM PDT by Movemout
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To: latrans
As well he should have been. If you don't think that walking is part of golf then you must think that running isn't part of football.

Here's an experiment for you. Come up to CT and use a cart for four days in a row of 18 holes. Then for the next four days, walk the course for four days and if you'd like carry your clubs.

Then get back to me on whether or not walking is part of the game.

41 posted on 07/18/2002 12:06:44 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Michael2001
it is not discrimination to have a club that is PRIVATELY owned. Is it discriminatory for the United Negro College Fund to give scholarships money to only African-Americans students? I as a caucasian do not think so. But that is just me.
42 posted on 07/18/2002 12:09:25 PM PDT by LandofLincoln
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Check out this Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel ARTICLE where the sports writer smeared BOTH Tiger Woods AND Republicans.
43 posted on 07/18/2002 12:11:39 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Michael2001
What I find gutless is for writers and commentators rail on Woods while having done nothing themselves. Woods isn't the one with the problem, they are, therefore they are the ones that should be trying to solve it, not Woods.

Gutless, too, because they hide in the shadows and then scream when someone doesn't do something that would ease their consciences.

44 posted on 07/18/2002 12:13:31 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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Has anyone seen or heard any "talking head" tv or radio personality say that Augusta National is well within their right to have a rpiavte club?

I haven't. I see many defend Tiger, but they always lead into it by saying, "I agree, discrimination is wrong...blah...blah...".

I think there is no way Augusta National will cave in to this.

45 posted on 07/18/2002 12:17:06 PM PDT by FreeTally
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To: toddst
Surely you don't believe Tiger has some obligation to women per Augusta - or any other club for that matter?

Absolutely not. Asides from being the best golfer in the world, I think Tiger is a creature of the media who's only obligated to the folks signing his checks.

46 posted on 07/18/2002 12:24:05 PM PDT by USAF_ret
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To: FreeTally
I haven't. I see many defend Tiger, but they always lead into it by saying, "I agree, discrimination is wrong...blah...blah...".

The right to discriminate--to make your reasoned choices among alternative courses and people--is the very essence of freedom. Apparently some people cannot even accept the idea of private choices in private ventures--in this case a privately funded, privately maintained membership club. People need to express their total contempt for this sort of columnist. The sad thing is that he thinks he is fighting bigotry, when in fact he is illustrating it in every paragraph.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

47 posted on 07/18/2002 12:27:49 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: AppyPappy
Why doesn't the LPGA let men play?

I don't know about golf but when it came to bowling, the ladies said it wasn't fair to keep women out of the men's ABC because women could compete equally with the men.

By the same token, these same ladies said it wouldn't be fair to let men into the women's WIBC because men would have an advantage over the women.

For some people, the word fair appears to have a rather elastic definition depending entirely on the situation in which it's being used.

48 posted on 07/18/2002 12:28:16 PM PDT by Bob
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To: JonH
Not true...I think the older guys (e.g., Nicklaus and Palmer) were against the Casey Martin exception.

Tiger, like practically all of the current tour players, was in fact against Casey Martin using the cart.

49 posted on 07/18/2002 12:28:44 PM PDT by USAF_ret
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To: latrans
I recall that Tigger was vehemently against a semi handicapped golfer who wanted to use a cart.

Vehemently? I think your recollection is faulty.

50 posted on 07/18/2002 12:29:29 PM PDT by Protagoras
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