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Who Were The Knights Templar? (Sunday History Read) ^ | undated | Stephen Dafoe and Alan Butler

Posted on 07/21/2002 10:01:31 AM PDT by Hacksaw

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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
Isn't there some connection between the Templars and this?

Break the Code
141 posted on 11/15/2004 2:39:14 PM PST by mentor2k
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To: Hacksaw

Baphomet, bad speller here. Here are some theories:

- Noel Currer-Briggs, The Shroud and the Grail

It is possible that the head idol was intended to represent the severed head of John the Baptist, based on allegations that he was revered by the Order. The Templars took part in the sack of Constantinople during the Fourth Crusade in 1203-4. Robert de Clari described the opulence and numerous relics at the sacred chapel of the Boucoleon Palace, amongst them supposedly the head of John the Baptist.

- P. R. Koenig, Too Hot to Handle

Another possibility as to the identity of the Baphomet may lie with Nicodemus, who in the Gospel of John who brought spices for Christ's burial. He is also mentioned in the apocryphal Evangelium Nicodemi (4th C.) as a ruler of the Jews who testified in Christ's favor. The Interpolation in the First Continuation of Chrétien's Perceval (12??) tells of the flight of Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea to England and includes the following intriguing passage:

Another possibility for the origin of the Head relates to the imagery on the first Grand Master's shield, which consisted of three black heads on a gold field. After about two hundred years, it is plausible that this head imagery could have worked itself into the legend of the Baphomet. According to more than one account, the Head was the actual skull of Hugues de Payen, which was preserved as an object of veneration.

- Forrest Jackson, The Baphomet in History and Symbolism

We found indisputable evidence for the charge of secret ceremonies involving a head of some kind. Indeed the existence of such a head proved to be one of the dominant themes running through the Inquisition records. Among the confiscated goods of the Paris preceptory a reliquary in the shape of a woman's head was found. It was hinged on top, and contained what appeared to have been relics of a peculiar kind."

- Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail

Herodotus (4:26) speaks of the practice in the obscure Issedones of gilding a head and sacrificing to it. Cleomenes of Sparta is said to have preserved the head of Archonides in honey and consulted it before undertaking an important task. Several vases of the fourth century BC in Etruria depict scenes of persons interrogating oracular heads. And the severed head of the rustic Carians which continues to 'speak' is mentioned derisively by Aristotle."

142 posted on 11/15/2004 2:44:35 PM PST by hergus
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To: Hacksaw
Freemasonry is not a Christian religion. Rather, the Masons espouse beliefs that are incompatible with the teachings of Christ and his apostles.

The Masons ask their members to keep to themselves all beliefs concerning Jesus Christ, the Bible and the authority of the Church. Masonry is all about occult and "Wizardry", which is expressively forbidden in the Judao-Christian Bible.

Masonry can really not be called a Secret Cult, because it is open to almost the entire public to join. It can best be called a Cult with Secrets. The rank and file never learn the "highest secrets". If they did--they may flee in a hurry when they realize "Lucifer, the Light-bearer!" is "directing the show". This reference is on page 321, of one of Freemasonry's greatest books entitled "Morals And Dogma" by Albert Pike.


143 posted on 11/15/2004 3:10:27 PM PST by Verax
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To: Cowboy Bob

Bump for later reading

144 posted on 11/15/2004 3:11:15 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (Fraud is the lifeblood of the Democratic Party)
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To: Hacksaw
---In this sense they were the first of the Warrior Monks.---

Warrior Monks?


145 posted on 11/15/2004 3:12:18 PM PST by smonk
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To: Hacksaw; RikaStrom

Grampa bump.

146 posted on 11/15/2004 3:16:03 PM PST by humblegunner (And who knows what else?)
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To: hergus

This is what I found:

There have been many strange idols throughout the ages but the idol of Baphomet seems to be among the most mysterious. All which seems to be known about this unknown figure it that it is sometimes called the goat idol of the Knights Templar and the deity of the sorcerers' Sabbat. Even the name Baphomet seems to be a composition of abbreviations: 'Temp. ohp. Ab.' which originates from Latin 'Templi omnium hominum pacis abhas,' meaning "the father of universal peace among men."

The many accounts concerning Baphomet describe the idol as a monstrous head, a demon in the form of a goat, a figure with a goat's head and a body combining the characteristics of a dog, bull, and ass. The body was thought to symbolize the burden of matter from which arose the repentance for sin. The human hands formed a sign of esotericism to impress mystery upon the initiates. First they represented the sanctity of labor; and by pointing two lunar crescents, the upper being white and the lower black, they also represented good and evil, mercy and justice. The lower part of the goat's body was veiled but expressed the mysteries the universial generation symbolized by the caduceus or the phallus. The goat's female breasts were the only symbols of maternity, toil, and redemption.

Most accounts of the idol Baphomet were from the confessions of the Knights Templar at their trials after the Inquisition. This is why the idol still remain a fascination and a puzzlement. Instead of definitely establishing the existence of the idol the variances in the Knights confessions did the opposite. Not only is there an uncertainty whether the idol existed but, also, whether there was just one or several idols. The uncertainty of the idol's existence arises because some of the heresy and devil-worship charges brought against the Templars were never proven, and Baphomet was thought to represent the devil. During the knights' confessions the idol seemed to change or was shown in different forms. It was described differently as having a frightful head with a long bird and sparking eyes; or a man's skull; or having three faces. Some said it was made of wood while others said it was metal.

Although some accounts give the idol a goat's body as previously mentioned and others are vague, others described the head in detail. It possessed horns and between the two horns was a torch which represented the intelligence of the triad. Still below the torch, on the forehead, is the sign of the microcosm, or the pentagram with one beam in ascendant symbolizing human intelligence. The situating of the pentagram below the torch was to signify that human intelligence is the image of the divine intellect.

Among the heresy charges brought against the Templars was that some had embrace Mahometanism even though they had sworn to fight against every pagan belief. The charge arose when a knight confessed that he was made to adore the idol by kissing its feet and uttering the word 'Xalla,' which was a word of the Saracens. This was seized upon for proving heresy against the Order, but it must be remembered that western Christians were constantly trying to attribute the idol to Mahomet as an expression of their desire to persecute the Knights.

The belief in Baphomet still exists among some occultists. They hold the idol of the Templars was really the god of the witches deriving from the nature god Pan. In the 19th. century the Austrian Orientalist Baron Joseph von Hammer-Purgstal discovered an inscription on a coffer in Burgandy which he claimed indicated the Baphomet came from the Greek words meaning "Baptism of Metis (Wisdom)." This seemed to exalt Metis or Baphomet as the true divinity.

In the 20th. century German occultists formed the secret order of the O.T.O. (Ordo Templi Orientis or Order of Templars in the East). They installed the English occultist Aleister Crowley to head their British section. Crowley took Baphomet as his magical name. A.G.H.

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147 posted on 11/15/2004 3:25:40 PM PST by Hacksaw (You can judge a man by the members of his bump list.)
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148 posted on 11/15/2004 3:26:26 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Bohemund

Tri/Delt is a notorious fantasist.

Ask him about his life as a spook if you want a good laff sometime.

(I'm surprised he's not underground again. LOL!)

149 posted on 11/15/2004 3:46:05 PM PST by dimkicker
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To: 5Madman2

It certainly is!

150 posted on 11/15/2004 6:28:00 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Pass Tort Reform Now! Make the bottom clean for the catfish!)
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To: Redleg Duke

I might have spoken too soon on the "Satanist" crap. It always starts and they always quote the same tired sources.

Good to meet you brother

151 posted on 11/15/2004 6:35:54 PM PST by 5Madman2 (DemocRATS are Vermin)
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To: Hacksaw
Love that the OTO and Crowley took the Baphomet image. Ever heard of their workings? THE MOST bizarre sexual rituals this old gal ever NEVER dreamed of in this world. Crowley and his off shoot OTO working groups would given anyone a bad name.

The Satanic Panic people want to pull anyone and everyone into their net. Sad that all of history is open to that kind of interpretation.The study of history has been neglected by the fringe groups that outspokenly tarnish subjects they know nothing about.

Like smearing the Masons as satanists, my grandfather and maternal relatives were Mason's and Shriner's, my maternal grandmother and aunts Eastern Star, satanist's they were not. They probably never heard even heard of satanists, just the Luther's and Presbyterian churches and the armed services in WWI and WWII.

The idea of the knight's taking up the religion of that area was anathema for the Church, naturally. But I feel Philip Leo Bel and his cohorts wanted the wealth and artifacts the KT were alleged to have amassed while in Jerusalem. There used to be a free website back in 97 or 98 called Underground Streams, that later went to a for fee site, that had the best info all subjects such as this, all attributed to authors and sources. I wonder if it's still around?
152 posted on 11/15/2004 7:35:42 PM PST by hergus
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153 posted on 11/15/2004 7:40:37 PM PST by hergus
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To: another cricket

That 'secret' removed from the Temple Mount is part of one of my current novel projects. You will be pleasantly surprised with the revelation of that 'thing' secreted off to the castle region of Spain, then to a small Church in Scotland. The Templars figured decisively in the recent movie "The Last Crusade" ... an Indiana Jones venue.

154 posted on 11/15/2004 7:43:46 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: catonsville
My daughter gave me "The Perfect Heresy", by Stephen O'Shea, a beautifully written book on the slaughter of these heretical Christians by the Crusaders. How a corrupt Pope, afraid of their power, forced a war against this saintly group and those that protected them, that led to the genocide of 20,000 men, women and children and the burning of the city of Bezier.

And gave us that infamous quote by the Crusader's leader, "Kill them all, God will know his own".

Absolutely fascinating medieval history.

"The Perfect Heresy" by Stephen O'Sheais not a scholarly book. For one thing the "famous quote 'Kill them all, God will know his own'" is apocraphal to begin with. No scholerly book I know claimes it as a genuin qoute. And their is no way 20,000 people died at Bezier. That is more then twice the population of the town (Sumption, Albigensian Crusade, pp. 88-89, 92-94; Setton Crusades, II, 288-289' Mann, Popes in the Middle Ages, XIII, 244.).

Anyway the Cathars were most certainly NOT good people, nor were they even Christian in the proper sense of the word. Technically the Cathars hated God, and by that I mean they hated the Created World.

In the duelistic philosophy of the Cathari all matter is by it's very nature evil, thus either God did not create the world or God is evil, and further Jesus could not be God because God cannot be a physical man, unless he be an evil God. Among other crazy things the Cathars believed was that suicide was good, and sex is evil (assuming the purpose is to creat new flesh, otherwise it's ok). So basically, homosexuality and beastiality were ok. But, if you trap a soul inside human flesh, i.e. create a baby you are doing evil. also couldn't eat meat for some reason. This duelistic hatred of matter was the justification for denying the sacraments like baptism, and marriage.

And lest you think I'm just repeating anti-Cathari propaganda promulgated by the Inquisition there are some primary sources of Cathari Bishops in Italy accusing each other of not being strict enough on the afore mentioned beliefs. And besides, contrary to what some pro-cathari historians like to claim the Cathars can easily be traced to the Bogomils and before that the Paulicians and all the way back to the Manichaens who were absolutly NOT Christan.

For a more balinced history of the Cathari heracy read Sumption Albigensian Crusade(London, 1978).

155 posted on 11/15/2004 8:45:24 PM PST by Pelayo
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