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Who Were The Knights Templar? (Sunday History Read) ^ | undated | Stephen Dafoe and Alan Butler

Posted on 07/21/2002 10:01:31 AM PDT by Hacksaw

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To: Redleg Duke

I might have spoken too soon on the "Satanist" crap. It always starts and they always quote the same tired sources.

Good to meet you brother

151 posted on 11/15/2004 6:35:54 PM PST by 5Madman2 (DemocRATS are Vermin)
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To: Hacksaw
Love that the OTO and Crowley took the Baphomet image. Ever heard of their workings? THE MOST bizarre sexual rituals this old gal ever NEVER dreamed of in this world. Crowley and his off shoot OTO working groups would given anyone a bad name.

The Satanic Panic people want to pull anyone and everyone into their net. Sad that all of history is open to that kind of interpretation.The study of history has been neglected by the fringe groups that outspokenly tarnish subjects they know nothing about.

Like smearing the Masons as satanists, my grandfather and maternal relatives were Mason's and Shriner's, my maternal grandmother and aunts Eastern Star, satanist's they were not. They probably never heard even heard of satanists, just the Luther's and Presbyterian churches and the armed services in WWI and WWII.

The idea of the knight's taking up the religion of that area was anathema for the Church, naturally. But I feel Philip Leo Bel and his cohorts wanted the wealth and artifacts the KT were alleged to have amassed while in Jerusalem. There used to be a free website back in 97 or 98 called Underground Streams, that later went to a for fee site, that had the best info all subjects such as this, all attributed to authors and sources. I wonder if it's still around?
152 posted on 11/15/2004 7:35:42 PM PST by hergus
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Anyone interested in a reputable mailing list of the subject of the Priory of Sion, Rennes le Chateau, Holy Blood, Holy Grail etc can check this out:

153 posted on 11/15/2004 7:40:37 PM PST by hergus
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To: another cricket

That 'secret' removed from the Temple Mount is part of one of my current novel projects. You will be pleasantly surprised with the revelation of that 'thing' secreted off to the castle region of Spain, then to a small Church in Scotland. The Templars figured decisively in the recent movie "The Last Crusade" ... an Indiana Jones venue.

154 posted on 11/15/2004 7:43:46 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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My daughter gave me "The Perfect Heresy", by Stephen O'Shea, a beautifully written book on the slaughter of these heretical Christians by the Crusaders. How a corrupt Pope, afraid of their power, forced a war against this saintly group and those that protected them, that led to the genocide of 20,000 men, women and children and the burning of the city of Bezier.

And gave us that infamous quote by the Crusader's leader, "Kill them all, God will know his own".

Absolutely fascinating medieval history.

"The Perfect Heresy" by Stephen O'Sheais not a scholarly book. For one thing the "famous quote 'Kill them all, God will know his own'" is apocraphal to begin with. No scholerly book I know claimes it as a genuin qoute. And their is no way 20,000 people died at Bezier. That is more then twice the population of the town (Sumption, Albigensian Crusade, pp. 88-89, 92-94; Setton Crusades, II, 288-289' Mann, Popes in the Middle Ages, XIII, 244.).

Anyway the Cathars were most certainly NOT good people, nor were they even Christian in the proper sense of the word. Technically the Cathars hated God, and by that I mean they hated the Created World.

In the duelistic philosophy of the Cathari all matter is by it's very nature evil, thus either God did not create the world or God is evil, and further Jesus could not be God because God cannot be a physical man, unless he be an evil God. Among other crazy things the Cathars believed was that suicide was good, and sex is evil (assuming the purpose is to creat new flesh, otherwise it's ok). So basically, homosexuality and beastiality were ok. But, if you trap a soul inside human flesh, i.e. create a baby you are doing evil. also couldn't eat meat for some reason. This duelistic hatred of matter was the justification for denying the sacraments like baptism, and marriage.

And lest you think I'm just repeating anti-Cathari propaganda promulgated by the Inquisition there are some primary sources of Cathari Bishops in Italy accusing each other of not being strict enough on the afore mentioned beliefs. And besides, contrary to what some pro-cathari historians like to claim the Cathars can easily be traced to the Bogomils and before that the Paulicians and all the way back to the Manichaens who were absolutly NOT Christan.

For a more balinced history of the Cathari heracy read Sumption Albigensian Crusade(London, 1978).

155 posted on 11/15/2004 8:45:24 PM PST by Pelayo
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