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To: dubyaweluvya
My interest in the Knights Templar, the monastic life, and knighthood has always been more pragmatic social history....ie. Knighthood and service as a rung to the middle class. The monasteries created towns, schools and the need for trained knights guaranteed a boy of modest means the avenue for progress and property. This was entirely a western invention not based on any caste system. I wonder how much of the persecutions were a result of the fear by the papacy/aristocracy of this rise of the individual.
39 posted on 07/21/2002 12:54:25 PM PDT by Katya
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To: Katya
The monasteries created towns, schools and the need for trained knights guaranteed a boy of modest means the avenue for progress and property. This was entirely a western invention not based on any caste system. I wonder how much of the persecutions were a result of the fear by the papacy/aristocracy of this rise of the individual.

In its most basic sense, Christianity gives every individual worth and value they never had before in the ancient world, and the emigrant Irish monasteries were a way of recivilizing and rechristianizing Europe amid the Dark Ages.

43 posted on 07/21/2002 1:25:54 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Katya
My interest in the Knights Templar, the monastic life, and knighthood has always been more pragmatic social history....ie. Knighthood and service as a rung to the middle class. The monasteries created towns, schools and the need for trained knights guaranteed a boy of modest means the avenue for progress and property. This was entirely a western invention not based on any caste system. I wonder how much of the persecutions were a result of the fear by the papacy/aristocracy of this rise of the individual.

The knights of the holy orders, including the Templars and the Knights Hospitalier, were drawn from the ranks of nobility. Almost exclusively the younger sons of families with too many sons to divy up the family lands for. The only "middle class" members of the Templars (unless you consider these younger sons the "middle class," which is not unreasonable) were the sergeants and servants. This was also true of most of the knights who went on the crusades. They were sent off to carve out lands of their own. The Templars didn't do this as they were forbidden to own anything, turning all their worldly goods over the order. That's where the seed money came from for their wealth.

The social institutions you speak of may certainly have come to be, but they weren't part of the Templar orders history, so far as I know (1118-1312).

Now, what the Templars found in the ruins of Solomon's stables is another story entirely...

Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomini Tuo Da Gloriam

Not To Us O Lord Not To Us But To Your Name Give Glory

Psalm 115, v1 Hebrew Psalter Psalm 113, v13 Greek Psalter.

The Templar oath.

116 posted on 10/13/2003 2:17:47 PM PDT by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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