When the Palestinians Say "End of Occupation", What Do They Mean? - Photo Essay

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[Tailgunner Joe]

When the Palestinians Say "End of Occupation", What Do They Mean?

The Western world thinks they mean "End of occupation in the West Bank and Gaza"

But what the Palestinians actually mean is "End of Israel".

They don't even try to hide it.

See for yourself:

This is the map of "Liberated Palestine" on the official website of the Palestinian National Authority, Ministry of Parliamentary Affairs:

http://www.mopa.gov.ps/

It is the map of the entire State of Israel.

This is the map of "Liberated Palestine" featured on the official emblem of the Palestinian National Authority’s Ministry of Industry:

http://www.industry.gov.ps

It is the map of the entire State of Israel.

This is the map of "Liberated Palestine" on Arafat’s Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) official emblem:

It is the map of the entire State of Israel.

This is the map of "Liberated Palestine" on Yasser Arafat’s uniform.

It is the map of the entire State of Israel.

This is the map of "Liberated Palestine" in the official Palestinian Authority’s education system schoolbooks.

Page 64 of the Palestinian Authority’s official 5th grade school book: "there’s no Israel"

It is the map of the entire State of Israel.

This is the map of "Liberated Palestine" as a statuette displayed at the Principal’s room in a school in the Palestinian town of Tulkarm.

A dagger is thrust in the "heart" of the land. Blood trickles from the wound and irrigates the plant of the Palestinian State.

It is the map of the entire State of Israel.

This is the map of "Liberated Palestine" from an art lesson in a Palestinian school.

The Jews destroyed by fire, the Israeli flag burning

It is the map of the entire State of Israel.

Question: Now, when you hear the Palestinians say "End of Occupation" do they mean "A Palestinian State alongside Israel", or "In place of Israel?"

Answer: "Poll: Majority of Palestinians See Israel's Elimination as Goal"

poll conducted by the Palestinian Jerusalem Media and Communication Center (JMCC). (Reuters, June 11, 2002)

What would YOU do in Israel’s place? <

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[Publius6961]

Start deporting them as soon as they mention the word "palestine"
What will it take?

[Nachum]

Moshiach.

[zarf]

Because of President Bush's bold call for democracy before statehood, the Pallies will implode via infighting.

The "Palestinians" are a bogus entity drummed up by the Arabs as a vehical to drive Israel into the sea.

Like it or not Israel will colonize the west Bank and Gaza and end up deporting the Arabs. There is no other way out of this mess.

The Arabs are liars and frauds, they will never negotiate in good faith.

[ChadGore]

"The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel...to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations."
-- May 30 1967. Abdul Nasser

Less than one week later, all the Arab allies were issued a stinging defeat.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Shouldn't that read "stinging retreat"? ;0)

[LowOiL]

A picture is worth a thousand words, so it goes to reason that 8 pictures are worth at least 8000 words. Thanks for the post.

[DonQ]

Because of President Bush's bold call for democracy before statehood, the Pallies will implode via infighting.

One reason being that "Arab" and "democracy" almost never occur in the same sentence.

[Tailgunner Joe]

bump

[dennisw]

[aruanan]

Thanks. An Israeli friend of mine gave them this (and a couple of others) in PowerPoint several weeks ago. Have you seen the others? I also have a series of pictures from a Palestinian Arab nursery school "graduation" presentation. They'd creep you out, too.

[onedoug]

Thanks for the flag, d.

Palestinian state. Nonsense, now and forever.

[monkeyshine]

You are right. Bush's call only hastens the inevitable, though.

Arafat can't live forever. Even if they never did hold elections again, there would be a bloody civil war among the Palestinians to fill the power vaccuum left when he dies. Hamas, Tanzim, Al Aqsa and other offshoots would fight for control... They complained about "Bantustans" (which never existed) in the Barak offer, but they don't acknowlege that they already live in a feudalistic arrangement as it is. Hamas runs this town, Al Aqsa runs that town, some clans (gangs) run parts of towns. Nothing gets done without the approval of the "overlord" clan that controls their little fiefdom.

The PA is like the mafia, and Arafat is the godfather, but like the mafia there are other Dons who control parts of the whole and vie for more control.

Soon enough, Gaza will fall into the hands of Hamas most likely, while the west bank will fracture among the various clans and gangs. I cannot see how a central force will arise without major fighting. Who among the Palestinians is willing to stand up for a peaceful, compromising central authority and fight these terror groups? Dare I say that none of them will.

The western leftists are nuts. They have their heads buried in the sand. They don't want to think this through, and they don't want to see the reality on the ground that causes the misery they complain about. I see no way to make peace in the forseeable future. Occupation is the only way, unless a strong peaceful group is willing to take up arms against the terrorists and compromise with Israel.

[bribriagain]

The pink area in the first picture looks like an infection.

[Optimist]

And this is Arafat wearing his perfectly formed and shaped depiction of Palestine. Notice that the "normal" style is NOT to one side.

[Looking for Diogenes]

It is the map of the entire State of Israel.

You haven't looked at any offical Israeli maps recently. They include the Golan Heights as well. And no acknowledgement of the separation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Everybody in the Middle East plays games with maps.

Ministry of Foreign Affairs

[Neophyte]

I think you should continue to look for Diogenes... and maybe find out the difference between a physical and a political map.

The Israeli one you posted is of the first type, it shows the region's physical features, not its administrative division.

The Palestinian authority's maps posted by others are of the second type.

Pretty substantial difference, isn't it?

[Yehuda]

You haven't looked at any offical Israeli maps recently. They include the Golan Heights as well. And no acknowledgement of the separation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Everybody in the Middle East plays games with maps.

BS - Considering that that map comes from the Peresite ministry of FA, how ironic that you left off the key:

Nice try, for an amateur.

[American in Israel]

Every map I have seen here except the satellite map shows the Area the Jews have agreed to "trade" for peace. The Golan they have never traded, it is just shows designated as "the Golan", not Israel. Islamic’s lie, all the time.

[Looking for Diogenes]

The Israeli one you posted is of the first type, it shows the region's physical features, not its administrative division.

If you can find an offical Israeli map which shows the Gaza Strip, West Bank, and Golan Heights as occupied areas, than you're a better web researcher than I am. I looked but couldn't find any.

[Looking for Diogenes]

BS - Considering that that map comes from the Peresite ministry of FA, how ironic that you left off the key: Nice try, for an amateur.

I don't control who the Israeli Foreign Minister is. I just typed in 'Israel government map' into Goggle and that's the most offical site I found.

As I alluded in my comment, the map shows the Golan Heights as an integral part of the nation, along with all of the West Bank and Gaza Strip (except for the areas under PA 'responsibility'). You won't find a map like that published in any other country, including the US.

[Looking for Diogenes]

Here is an administrative map, showing the same borders.

IDF

[Looking for Diogenes]

Every map I have seen here except the satellite map shows the Area the Jews have agreed to "trade" for peace. The Golan they have never traded, it is just shows designated as "the Golan", not Israel. Islamic’s lie, all the time.

I'm not sure which map is the satellite map.

The simple fact is that no nation, other than Israel itself, recognizes the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip, and the West Bank as integral parts of Israel. They are occupied and can certainly be traded for peace, money, or whatever else the Israel pleases.

Islamic’s lie, all the time.

I'm sure they do.

[dennisw]

You are a stinker. Israel would like nothing better than to rid itself of 100% of Gaza and 90% of the West Bank. But the Palies are just not up to it. They are sad sacks and Jew killers.

As far as Golan... Israel must keep it. Just take a look at the pencil necked geek who runs Syria these days. He inherited it from his mass murderer father.

[Looking for Diogenes]

You are a stinker.

Why?

Israel would like nothing better than to rid itself of 100% of Gaza and 90% of the West Bank. But the Palies are just not up to it.

If they are so anxious to get rid of them, why do they depict them as a part of their country, even though they do not administer those areas as such?

[Yehuda]

hey, amateur, THEY KEY I POSTED GOES TO THE MAP YOU POSTED. The boundaries are highlighted and represent the most recent LAND AGREEMENTS SIGNED BY MUSLIMS AND ISRAELI'S, EVERY SINGLE PARAGRAPH OF WHICH WAS BROKEN BY MUSLIMS.

If you don't know who runs the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs (here's a hint, he's a card carrying socialist who gave 40000 guns to the muslims in the hopes of getting ore muslim israeli votes for his labor party), then you have no business discussing Mideast politics; but then we knew that when you inferred that the map shows Israel taking over the entire land - something they should have done a long time ago.

[dennisw]

If they are so anxious to get rid of them, why do they depict them as a part of their country, even though they do not administer those areas as such?

You are a freaking liar. The map you showed was a topographic map ... not a political map.  Get real. Israel doesn't want the Pallies. It's the Pallies that want Israel. Pallies were demonstrating yesterday about being cut off from their jobs in Israel. Yasser Arafat ruined the best deal these 3rd world primatives could get.

[Looking for Diogenes]

This is an accurate political map of the modern state of Israel, one that you will not find on either Israeli or Palestinian websites. As I said originally, everybody in the Middle East plays games with maps.

CIA Factbook

[Looking for Diogenes]

You are a freaking liar. The map you showed was a topographic map ... not a political map.

No lie. The map is the official political map from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. As I asked another poster, if you can find an official Israeli site with a map showing different borders, please post it.

[Looking for Diogenes]

hey, amateur, THEY KEY I POSTED GOES TO THE MAP YOU POSTED. The boundaries are highlighted and represent the most recent LAND AGREEMENTS SIGNED BY MUSLIMS AND ISRAELI'S, EVERY SINGLE PARAGRAPH OF WHICH WAS BROKEN BY MUSLIMS.

What agreement was signed handing the Golan Heights over to Israel?

If you don't know who runs the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs (here's a hint, he's a card carrying socialist who gave 40000 guns to the muslims in the hopes of getting ore muslim israeli votes for his labor party), then you have no business discussing Mideast politics; but then we knew that when you inferred that the map shows Israel taking over the entire land - something they should have done a long time ago.

Would another FM have drawn a different map? What difference does it make? As for inferring anything, the maps can speak for themselves.

I'm not criticizing Israel and I wish it no harm. But it's official maps do not represent the political or historical reality of the situation. Neither do the PA maps.

[dennisw]

As I asked another poster, if you can find an official Israeli site with a map showing different borders, please post it.

----> Put your money where your mouth is stinker. How much money do want to bet??? $100 or $1000? If you can't afford to pay then don't play. You are just another leftist to me. Shooting his mouth off.

How much are you betting?

[Looking for Diogenes]

How much are you betting?

What's at stake is the truth. If you want to prove me wrong, go ahead. Otherwise, you're the one who's shooting his mouth off.

[dennisw]

How much are you betting?..... or go bugger off. Get lost.

[dennisw]

So how much are you betting me? Put your money on the table or stop spreading lies.

How much are you betting me?

[Looking for Diogenes]

So how much are you betting me? Put your money on the table or stop spreading lies. How much are you betting me?

Now you're soundng like Travis Bickle. I'm not spreading lies. I'm posting copies of official Israeli maps. If you think they're lies, well then....

[dennisw]

How much are you betting clown? Stop acting like a shy and coy debutant. How much is your bet?

[Publius6961]

So this blind man never learned geography.
He's a modern muslim, cut him some slack.

[Looking for Diogenes]

Here's one from the official tourism site.

Infotour

[Looking for Diogenes]

How much are you betting clown? Stop acting like a shy and coy debutant. How much is your bet?

I'll bet you a penny, or a shekel, whichever currency you prefer.

BTW. Is the map at the very top of the article accurate? If so, where's Golan?

[dennisw]

I'm not spreading lies. I'm posting copies of official Israeli maps. If you think they're lies, well then....

---> You are spreading lies. You are saying that Israeli government maps consider the West Bank/Gaza part of Israel. So how much are you betting that I am wrong?

[Publius6961]

"Correct" according to whom?
Can you name a single winner of any war in history which was forced to cede territory won in the battlefield?

Just one?
All of it is Israel, as far as I'm concerned.

you can continue to live with as many illusions as you wish.

[dennisw]

Sorry boyo..... $100 is the minimum bet. So put up or shut up.

[ppaul]

"West Bank and Gaza"

These newly minted terms aren't even 50 years old.
These lands have been known as Samaria and Judea for millenia.
And, where is "The City of David", the town where Jesus was born?
Well, it sure wasn't a part of some "Palestinian" Arab squatter homeland 2000 years ago, that's for sure.

[Looking for Diogenes]

"Correct" according to whom?

The United States, for instance. Or any other member of the international community.

Can you name a single winner of any war in history which was forced to cede territory won in the battlefield?

The U.S. gave back all the territory it won in Europe in WWII. The Japanese gave back all the territory it won in China in WWII. There are many examples.

All of it is Israel, as far as I'm concerned.

If the Gaza and West Bank are integral parts of Israel, why aren't the residents citizens?

[Looking for Diogenes]

So put up or shut up.

I've put up several examples. If you can't put up a counter-example, then there is nothing for you to say except for juvenile taunts.

[dennisw]

Put $100 on the table. I have the maps that show you are a liar.

Put your money on the table.

[ppaul]

If the Gaza and West Bank are integral parts of Israel, why aren't the residents citizens?

Becuase most of them are Jordanians - Arab squatters on ancestral Jewish lands.

[Looking for Diogenes]

Put $100 on the table. I have the maps that show you are a liar.

You need $100 before you're willing to show that I'm a liar? That's a laugh. You're not going to do it for free? If you have the maps, post them.

[Looking for Diogenes]

If the Gaza and West Bank are integral parts of Israel, why aren't the residents citizens?
Becuase most of them are Jordanians - Arab squatters on ancestral Jewish lands.

When Israel annexed Jerusalem, it made the citizens, even the Arabs, citizens. It has not annexed the Gaza or the West Bank.

[dennisw]

Put up or shut up. Are you man enough to bet $100 I'm wrong? Goodnite pest. I will read your answer tomorrow.