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Discovery of an Ancient 3D "Relief Map" of the Ural Region. Discovered in China!
Pravda ^ | 14:48 2002-04-30 | Translated by Vera Solovieva

Posted on 07/21/2002 4:37:11 PM PDT by vannrox

THE MAP OF "THE CREATOR"






A find of Bashkir scientists contraries to traditional notions of human history: stone slab which is 120 million years covered with the relief map of Ural Region.


This seems to be impossible. Scientists of Bashkir State University have found indisputable proofs of an ancient highly developed civilization’s existence. The question is about a great plate found in 1999, with picture of the region done according to an unknown technology. This is a real relief map. Today’s military has almost similar maps. The map contains civil engineering works: a system of channels with a length of about 12,000 km, weirs, powerful dams. Not far from the channels, diamond-shaped grounds are shown, whose destination is unknown. The map also contains some inscriptions. Even numerous inscriptions. At first, the scientists thought that was Old Chinese language. Though, it turned out that the subscriptions were done in a hieroglyphic-syllabic language of unknown origin. The scientists never managed to read it…


“The more I learn the more I understand that I know nothing,” – the doctor of physical and mathematical science, professor of Bashkir State University, Alexander Chuvyrov admits. Namely Chuvyrov made that sensational find. Already in 1995, the professor and his post-graduate student from China Huan Hun decided to study the hypothesis of possible migration of Old Chinese population to the territory of Siberia and Ural.


In an expedition to Bashkiria, they found several rock carvings done in Old Chinese language. These finds confirmed the hypothesis of Chinese migrants. The subscriptions were read. They mostly contained information about trade bargains, marriage and death registration.



Though, during the searches, notes dated the 18th century were found in archives of Ufa governor-general. They reported about 200 unusual stone slabs which were situated not far from the Chandar village, Nurimanov Region. Chuvyrov and his colleague at once decided that slabs could be connected with Chinese migrants. Archive notes also reported that in 17th-18th centuries, expeditions of Russian scientists who investigated Ural Region had studied 200 white slabs with signs and patterns, while in early 20th century, archaeologist A.Schmidt also had seen some white slabs in Bashkiria. This made the scientist start the search. In 1998, after having formed a team of his students, Chuvyrov launched the work. He hired a helicopter, and the first expedition carried a flying around of the places where the slabs were supposed to be. Though, despite all efforts, the ancient slabs were not found. Chuvyrov was very upset and even thought the slabs were just a beautiful legend.


The luck was unexpected. During one of Chuvyrov’s trips to the village, ex-chairman of the local agricultural council, Vladimir Krainov, came to him (apropos, in the house of Krainov’s father, archaelogist Schmidt once staid) and said: “Are you searching for some stone slabs? I have a strange slab in my yard.” “At first, I did not took that report seriously, - Chuvyrov told. – Though, I decided to go to that yard to see it. I remember this day exactly: July 21, 1999. Under the porch of the house, the slab with some dents lied. The stab was so heavy that we together could not take it out. So I went to the city of Ufa, to ask for help.”


In a week, work was launched in Chandar. After having dug out the slab, the searchers were stroke with its size: it was 148 cm high, 106 cm wide and 16 cm thick. While it weighed at least one ton. The master of the house made special wooden rollers, so the slab was rolled out from the hole. The find was called “Dashka’s stone” (in honour of Alexander Chuvyrov’s granddaughter born the day before it) and transported to the university for investigation. After the slab was cleaned of earth, the scientists could not entrust to their eyes... “At first sight, - Chuvyrov sais, - I understood that was not a simple stone piece, but a real map, and not a simple map, but a three-dimensional. You can see it yourself.”


“How did we manage to identify the place? At first, we could not imagine the map was so ancient. Happily, relief of today’s Bashkiria has not changed so much within millions of years. We could identify Ufa Height, while Ufa Canyon is the main point of our proofs, because we carried out geological studies and found its track where it must be according to the ancient map. Displacement of the canyon happened because of tectonic stabs which moved from East. The group of Russian and Chinese specialists in the field of cartography, physics, mathematics, geology, chemistry, and Old Chinese language managed to precisely find out that the slab contains the map of Ural region, with rivers Belya, Ufimka, Sutolka,” – Alexander Chuvyrov said while showing the lines on the stone to the journalists. – You can see Ufa Canyon – the break of the earth’s crust, stretched out from the city of Ufa to the city of Sterlitimak. At the moment, Urshak River runs over the former canyon.” The map is done on a scale 1 : 1.1 km.


Alexander Chuvyrov, being physicist, has got into the habit of entrusting only to results of investigation. While today there are such facts.


Geological structure of the slab was determined: it cosists of three levels. The base is 14 cm chick, made of the firmest dolomite. The second level is probably the most interesting, “made” of diopside glas. The technology of its treatement is not known to modern science. Actually, the picture is marked on this level. While the third level is 2 mm thick and made of calcium porcelain protecting the map from external impact.


“It should be noticed, - the professor said, - that the relief has not been manually made by an ancient stonecutter. It is simply impossible. It is obvious that the stone was machined.” X-ray photographs confirmed that the slab was of artificial origin and has been made with some precision tools.


At first, the scientists supposed that the ancient map could have been made by the ancient Chinese, because of vertical inscriptions on the map. As well known, vertical literature was used in Old Chinese language before 3rd century. To check his supposition, professor Chuvyrov visited Chinese empire library. Within 40 minutes he could spend in the library according to the permission he looked through several rare books, though no one of them contained literature similar to that one on the slab. After the meeting with his colleagues from Hunan university, he completely gave up the version about “Chinese track.” The scientist concluded that porcelain covering the slab had never been used in China. Although all the efforts to decipher the inscriptions were fruitless, it was found out that the literature had hieroglyphic-syllabic character. Chuvyrov, however, states he has deciphered one sign on the map: it signifies latitude of today’s city of Ufa.


The longer the slab was studied, the more mysteries appeared. On the map, a giant irrigative system could be seen: in addition to the rivers, there are two 500-metre-wide channel systems, 12 dams, 300-500 metres wide, approximately 10 km long and 3 km deep each. The dams most likely helped in turning water in either side, while to create them over 1 quadrillion cubic metres of earth was shifted. In comparison with that irrigative system, Volga-Don Channel looks like a scratch on the today’s relief. As a physicist, Alexander Chuvyrov supposes that now mankind can build only a small part of what is pictured on the map. According to the map, initially, Belaya River had an artificial river-bad.



It was difficult to determine even an approximate age of the slab. At first, radiocarbonic analysis was carried out, afterwards levels of stab were scanned with uranium chronometer, though the investigations showed different results and the age of the slab remained unclear. While examining the stone, two shells were found on its surface. The age of one of them – Navicopsina munitus of Gyrodeidae family - is about 500 million years, while of the second one – Ecculiomphalus princeps of Ecculiomphalinae subfamily - is about 120 million years. Namely that age was accepted as a “working version.” “The map was probably created at the time when the Earth’s magnetic pole situated in the today’s area of Franz Josef Land, while this was exactly 120 million years ago, - professor Chuvyrov says. – The map we have is beyond of traditional perception of mankind and we need a long time to get used to it. We have got used to our miracle. At first we thought that the stone was about 3,000 years. Though, that age was gradually growing, till we identified the shells ingrained in the stone to sign some objects. Though, who could guarantee that the shell was alive while being ingrained in the map? The map’s creator probably used a petrified find.”


What could be the destination of the map? That is probably the most interesting thing. Materials of the Bashkir find were already investigated in Centre of Historical Cartography in Visconsin, USA. The Americans were amazed.


According to them, such three-dimensional map could have only one destination – a navigational one, while it could be worked out only through aerospace survey. Moreover, namely now in the US, work is being carried out at creation of world three-dimensional map like that. Though, the Americans intend to complete the work only to 2010. The question is that while compiling such three-dimensional map, it is necessary to work over too many figures. “Try to map at least a mountain! – Chuvyrov says. – The technology of compiling such maps demands super-power computers and aerospace survey from the Shuttle.” So, who then did created this map? Chuvyrov, while speaking about the unknown cartographers, is wary: “I do not like talks about some UFO and extraterrestrial. Let us call the author of the map simply – the creator.”


It looks like that who lived and built at that time used only air transport means: there is no ways on the map. Or they, probably, used water ways. There is also an opinion, that the authors of the ancient map did not live there at all, but only prepared that place for settlement through draining the land. This seems to be the most probable version, though nothing could be stated for the time being. Why not to assume that the authors belonged to a civilization which existed earlier?


Latest investigations of the map bring one sensation after another. Now, the scientists are sure of the map being only a fragment of a big map of the Earth. According to some hypothesis, there were totally 348 fragments like that. The other fragments could be probably somewhere near there. In outskirts of Chandar, the scientists took over 400 samples of soil and found out that the whole map had been most likely situated in the gorge of Sokolinaya Mountain (Falcon Mountain). Though, during the glacial epoch it was tore to pieces. But if the scientists manage to gather the “mosaic,” the map should have an approximate seize of 340 x 340 m. After having studied the archive materials, Chuvyrov ascertained approximate place where four pieces could be situated: one could lie under one house in Chandar, the other – under the house of merchant Khasanov, the third – under one of the village baths, the fourth – under the bridge’s pier of the local narrow-gauge railway.


In the meanwhile, Bashkir scientists send out information about their find to different scientific centres of the world; in several international congresses, they have already given reports on the subject: The Civil Engineering Works Map of an Unknown Civilization of South Ural.”


The find of Bashkir scientists has no analogues. With only one exclusion. When the research was at its height, a small stone – chalcedony - got to professor Chuvyrov’s table, containing a similar relief. Probably somebody, who saw the stab wanted to copy the relief. Though, who and why?


Translated by Vera Solovieva


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bogus; chinese; discovery; fringe; grooves; history; map; nature; occult; plate; relief; science; student; study; unusual
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This is very new to me. I find it very interesting.
1 posted on 07/21/2002 4:37:12 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
"...“The map was probably created at the time when the Earth’s magnetic pole situated in the today’s area of Franz Josef Land, while this was exactly 120 million years ago, - professor Chuvyrov says. – The map we have is beyond of traditional perception of mankind and we need a long time to get used to it. We have got used to our miracle. At first we thought that the stone was about 3,000 years. Though, that age was gradually growing, till we identified the shells ingrained in the stone to sign some objects. Though, who could guarantee that the shell was alive while being ingrained in the map? The map’s creator probably used a petrified find.”

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2 posted on 07/21/2002 4:39:29 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
Nothing to get excited about. They've simply found the seed from which the area was terra-farmed.
3 posted on 07/21/2002 4:43:11 PM PDT by per loin
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To: vannrox; billbears; 4ConservativeJustices
ping
4 posted on 07/21/2002 4:46:52 PM PDT by Ff--150
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To: vannrox
Hoax?
5 posted on 07/21/2002 5:03:45 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: Abcdefg
The map is titled "Desiderata"
6 posted on 07/21/2002 5:05:46 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: vannrox
Pretty cool. But you know what they say over there: There is no news in Izvestia and no truth in Pravda.
7 posted on 07/21/2002 5:07:10 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: vannrox
I once heard a Nobel award scientist talk about OOPART - out of placve and relative time. Stuff like spark plugs, etc found to be thousands of years old. Interesting stuff.
8 posted on 07/21/2002 5:07:11 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: blam
Another story for blam...
9 posted on 07/21/2002 5:08:08 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: ken5050
Desiderata



Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and ignorant; they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble, it's a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantement, it is as perrenial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.


From the Alt.Usage.English FAQ: "Desiderata" was written in 1927 by Max Ehrmann (1872-1945). In 1956, the rector of St. Paul's Church in Baltimore, Maryland, used the poem in a collection of mimeographed inspirational material for his congregation. Someone who subsequently printed it asserted that it was found in Old St. Paul's Church, dated 1692. The year 1692 was the founding date of the church and has nothing to do with the poem. See Fred D. Cavinder, "Desiderata", TWA Ambassador, Aug. 1973, pp. 14-15.
10 posted on 07/21/2002 5:08:36 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: vannrox
Where are the other 199 slabs and what do they map?
11 posted on 07/21/2002 5:10:50 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: vannrox
This has been the subject of a couple of threads already. It's one of those Fortean objects, it just doesn't fit and we don't know what to make of it. It might also be a hoax.
12 posted on 07/21/2002 5:12:31 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
Also: http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/05/30/29507.html
13 posted on 07/21/2002 5:13:04 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: Abcdefg
I like the Firesign Theatre version better.
14 posted on 07/21/2002 5:13:10 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: vannrox
Looks as though old Vera Solovieva needs a little work on her English. One should translate from one's weaker language into one's stronger language.
15 posted on 07/21/2002 5:16:58 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: vannrox
Gee such detailed images.
Sure am glad I was able to draw my own conclusions.

~smirk~

16 posted on 07/21/2002 5:17:45 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: vannrox
bizarre

befuddled

bump

17 posted on 07/21/2002 5:17:55 PM PDT by Pistias
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To: Abcdefg
I saw the same thing in a tortilla in south Texas a few years ago.......but I kept my mouth shut.
18 posted on 07/21/2002 5:18:46 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: vannrox
Yep, tey could do an aeronautical survey, but they made their maps of stone. Sure sounds believable to me.
19 posted on 07/21/2002 5:22:53 PM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: vannrox
Baloney.
20 posted on 07/21/2002 5:31:23 PM PDT by solzhenitsyn
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To: wattsmag2
Yep, t[h]ey could do an aeronautical survey, but they made their maps of stone. Sure sounds believable to me.

You're too cynical. Remember, when they returned to their base in Peru's Nazca desert, they needed giant incised figures on the ground to find it!

21 posted on 07/21/2002 5:34:07 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Grut
And stone structures to live in, and human sacrifice. My my my. Thanks for "te" correction.
22 posted on 07/21/2002 5:36:14 PM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: ErnBatavia
Dummy. You could have claimed to have seen an image of Mary cryin' in that tortilla and made millions charges admission to view it.
23 posted on 07/21/2002 5:45:10 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: vannrox
You don't need an aircraft or spacecraft to build a relief map. This has been done ever since geometry. All it takes is time, manpower and an earlier development of simple geometry and survey tools. This sounds like someone had a grand vision for the Urals that could not be executed at the time. This happens every day. We just don't run across the remains of such old visionary thought very often.

If you want to get a "little" more bizzar--it is proof of time travel.
24 posted on 07/21/2002 5:49:40 PM PDT by Revolutionary
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To: aruanan
Close...it was NATIONAL LAMPOON'S "RADIO DINNER": DETERIORATTA.(you are the FLUKE of the universe,you have no right to be here..)
25 posted on 07/21/2002 5:55:04 PM PDT by jaz.357
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Close...it was NATIONAL LAMPOON'S "RADIO DINNER": DETERIORATTA.(you are the FLUKE of the universe,you have no right to be here..)

Thanks. It was back in the same era when I was listening to both. Do you remember who did the voice-over? Was it Ken Nordine? "And whether you know it or not, the Universe is laughing behind your back."
26 posted on 07/21/2002 6:04:25 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: vannrox
The map we have is beyond of traditional perception of mankind and we need a long time to get used to it. We have got used to our miracle. At first we thought that the stone was about 3,000 years. Though, that age was gradually growing, till we identified the shells ingrained in the stone to sign some objects. Though, who could guarantee that the shell was alive while being ingrained in the map? The map’s creator probably used a petrified find.”

Hmmm, the latter, or there are many county courthouses that are hundreds of millions of years old.
27 posted on 07/21/2002 6:07:09 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"Another story for blam..."

Thanks for the bump. We've had this on FR 2-3 times now. It's engravings, etc, done on very old rocks? Still like to know who did it and when though.

28 posted on 07/21/2002 6:27:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: vannrox
bttt
29 posted on 07/21/2002 6:34:25 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: aruanan
"I like the Firesign Theatre version better"

Agreed......

But are we ALL really just
Bozos on this Bus ?

30 posted on 07/21/2002 6:34:32 PM PDT by blackbag
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To: aruanan
"I like the Firesign Theatre version better."

Deteriorata

You're dating yourself.

Very cool album ... "A child's garden of grass."

31 posted on 07/21/2002 6:35:30 PM PDT by knarf
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To: aruanan
"And whether you know it or not, the Universe is laughing behind your back."

Give up!

32 posted on 07/21/2002 6:37:49 PM PDT by knarf
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To: jaz.357
Thanx for the correction, jaz ... I too listened to them both and during thoze tymez wen wheeeeee .......

Oh, I'm sorry, was I talking to me?

33 posted on 07/21/2002 6:39:54 PM PDT by knarf
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To: vannrox
Who are they kidding? That's Arkansas!
34 posted on 07/21/2002 6:42:01 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: blackbag
Isn't this really a map of the
"Stinking Desert National Indian Monument and Cobalt Testing Range"?
35 posted on 07/21/2002 6:44:36 PM PDT by tet68
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To: vannrox
Alexander Chuvyrov, being physicist, has got into the habit of entrusting only to results of investigation. While today there are such facts.

I, being Freeper, find this also of the utmost interest.

36 posted on 07/21/2002 6:46:54 PM PDT by Nebullis
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To: jaz.357
The following poem was not found in an old Baltimore church:

Introduction

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.....
Deteriorata! Deteriorata!

Go placidly
Amid the noise and waste.
And remember what comfort there may be
In owning a piece thereof.

Avoid quiet and passive persons
Unless you are in need of sleep.

Ro-tate your tires.

Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself
And heed well their advice,
Even though they be turkeys.

Know what to kiss.....and when!

Consider that two wrongs never make a right
But that THREE.........do.

Wherever possible, put people on hold.

Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment
And despite the changing fortunes of time,
There is always a big future in computer main-te-nance.

Chorus

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Remember the Pueblo.

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mu-ti-late.

Know yourself.
If you need help, call the FBI.

Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
Especially with those persons closest to you.
That lemon on your left, for instance.

Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
Would scarcely get your feet wet.

Fall not in love therefore;
It will stick to your face.

Gracefully surrender the things of youth:
The birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan
And let not the sands of time
Get in your lunch.

Hire people with hooks.

Take heart amid the deepening gloom
That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.

And reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot
It could only be worse in Milwaukee.

Chorus

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Therefore, make peace with your god
Whatever you conceive him to be---
Hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.

With all its hopes, dreams, promises and urban renewal
The world continues to deteriorate.

GIVE UP!

Reprise

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Performed by National Lampoon on "National Lampoon Radio Dinner," a 1972 recording by Blue Thumb Records. Lyrics by Tony Hendra.

http://www.mendosa.com/fluke.html
37 posted on 07/21/2002 6:54:18 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant
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To: blackbag
But are we ALL really just Bozos on this Bus ?

If we're the original Bozo--wait, he's dead, isn't he?
38 posted on 07/21/2002 7:21:22 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: knarf
If you're familiar with Firesign Theatre, do you know which album had the running joke about the "nice tall glass of meat"? I think it was something from the early 70's at the very latest.
39 posted on 07/21/2002 7:23:46 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Geological structure of the slab was determined: it cosists of three levels. The base is 14 cm chick, made of the firmest dolomite. The second level is probably the most interesting, “made” of diopside glas. The technology of its treatement is not known to modern science. Actually, the picture is marked on this level. While the third level is 2 mm thick and made of calcium porcelain protecting the map from external impact.

“It should be noticed, - the professor said, - that the relief has not been manually made by an ancient stonecutter. It is simply impossible. It is obvious that the stone was machined.” X-ray photographs confirmed that the slab was of artificial origin and has been made with some precision tools.


40 posted on 07/21/2002 7:24:31 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: Abcdefg
13:15 2002-05-30

3-D MAP OF THE EARTH CREATED 120 MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO.
ON-LINE PRESS CONFERENCE WITH ALEXANDR CHUVYROV



June 6, at 4:00 p.m (Moscow Time) PRAVDA.Ru will hold an on-line press conference with Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Science Alexandr CHUVYROV. The professor of Bashkir State University found indisputable evidence of the existence of an ancient, highly developed civilization in the Urals. His find is a huge slab, whose age is supposed to be about 120 million years.



"Our research topic is about the possible migration of ancient Chinese to the territory of modern Russia: Siberia and Urals. We have discovered letters on the rocks made in ancient Chinese about 3000 years ago. During our research in the Ufa archives, we discovered notes from the end of 18th century about 200 unusual ancient stone plates. Our idea was that these plates are somehow connected to Chinese migrants.

Thus we were looking for an ancient civilization, but much closer to ourselves. We were expecting to see nothing more than hieroglyphs or pictures with a running mammoth and deer typical for that period. There were six expeditions organized, and in 28 July 1999, at 1.06 meters underground, we found the plate now called “Dashkin kamen” (“kamen” is stone in Russian). It has a significant size: about 1.5 meters in height, more than 1 meter wide, and 16 cm thick. It weights more than 1 ton. In the scientists’ opinion, it is a relief, a 3-D map.

We were absolutely happy; we thought we found a product made more 2000 years ago. The plate itself is artificial. It was produced from a special cement of three layers, and the third layer is a white-colored porcelain. It should be noticed that the relief on this plate was not cut manually with some ancient stonecutter. It is evident that some mechanical work was done.

There is a region from Ufa up to the town of Salavat represented on the plate. Ufa's hills are very familiar from one side. From the other side there are some changes. Firstly, we were surprised by the Ufa canyon: the break in the earth’s crust from the present Ufa to the present Sterlitomak city. There was a river in it 2-3 kilometers deep and 3-4 kilometers wide. Nevertheless, this break is one of the principal points of our theory. We conducted geological research and found it’s track in the place where it should be theoretically. Tectonic plates from the East crushed it for about 10-15 kilometers to the West. We assume that, now, the Urshak River is in the place of this former canyon.

There are not only rivers, but two systems of channels up to 500 meters wide and a total length of 12,000 kilometers. The whole hydro system includes 12 dams 300-500 meters wide, 10 kilometers long, and 2-3 kilometers deep. They made it possible to turn water from any side into any channel. About 1000 trillion cubic meters of soil were moved to create this."

A.N.Chuvyrov
Specially for PRAVDA.Ru
Huang Hong
41 posted on 07/21/2002 7:29:02 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
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42 posted on 07/21/2002 7:33:43 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: vannrox
Sounds like the same phenomenon that creates potatos shaped like Elvis' head!
43 posted on 07/21/2002 7:46:38 PM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: aruanan
If we're the original Bozo--wait, he's dead, isn't he?

Bozo got off the bus a couple of streets back.

44 posted on 07/21/2002 8:26:49 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Diddle E. Squat; ErnBatavia
Dummy. You could have claimed to have seen an image of Mary cryin' in that tortilla and made millions charges admission to view it.

Well, it's probably not too late, seeing as how he kept his mouth shut.

45 posted on 07/21/2002 9:11:49 PM PDT by Erasmus
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To: aruanan
If you're familiar with Firesign Theatre, do you know which album had the running joke about the "nice tall glass of meat"? I think it was something from the early 70's at the very latest.

That was super-voluptuous starlet Kim Cool, touting meat on the album "In the Next World You're On Your Own."

Circa 1974. (LP collection somewhat inaccessible just now.)

46 posted on 07/21/2002 9:17:53 PM PDT by Erasmus
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Another piece of evidence indicating serious probems with even our most basic concepts of history/archaeology. Either that, or another piece of evidence indicating serious problems with our ability to accurately date old objects.
47 posted on 07/21/2002 9:18:47 PM PDT by ForOurFuture
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That was super-voluptuous starlet Kim Cool, touting meat on the album "In the Next World You're On Your Own."

Ha ha ha ha. That was the one where she said, "Heh-WOAH", right? Thanks. I'll start scouring the web.
48 posted on 07/21/2002 9:20:36 PM PDT by aruanan
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The cosmos is, in all probability, an eternal mass of shifting and mutually interacting force-patterns which our present visible universe, our tiny earth, and our puny race of organic beings, form merely a momentary and negligible incident. Thus my serious conception of reality is dynamically opposite to the fantastic position I take as an aesthete. In aesthetics, nothing interests me so much as the idea of strange suspensions of natural law - weird glimpses of terrifyingly elder worlds and abnormal dimensions, and faint scratchings from unknown outside abysses on the rim of the unknown cosmos. I think this kind of thing fascinates me all the more because I don't believe a word of it!

H P Lovecraft

49 posted on 07/21/2002 9:51:27 PM PDT by razorback-bert
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Genesis hints of many previous civilizations that were destroyed because of their wickedness. This last age is 6,000 yrs old. I believe much of what they find is actually from former epochs.
50 posted on 07/21/2002 10:38:51 PM PDT by brat
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