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Latest Oregon Wildfire Update at 3:20 pm
KGW TV ^ | 07/22/2002 | KGW Staff

Posted on 07/22/2002 3:25:14 PM PDT by Grampa Dave

Kitzhaber Tours Fire Scenes, Guardsmen Arrive 07/22/2002

By kgw.com and AP Staff

updated @ 3:20 p.m.

Oregon Gov. John Kitzhaber, conducting an aerial tour of Oregon's wildfires Monday afternoon, praised a group of property owners for taking steps to keep their homes from burning in the midst of the devastating Squire Peak Fire.

Not one home around the community of Ruch was lost in the fire, although four outbuildings were destroyed. That fire was now 95 percent contained.

Gov. Kitzhaber talks with folks in Ruch about fire conditions. (KGW Photo) Kitzhaber also said this year's early and devastating fires show that the federal government needs to make a bigger committment toward making forests healthy and less vulnerable to annual wildfires.

As the governor toured fire zones in the south, firefighters faced more lightning and erratic winds on Monday as help arrived from Oregon National Guard troops.

Lightning storms were forecast to move up from Mount Shasta in Northern California into the Summer Lake Basin where the Winter and Toolbox fires have burned together to cover 92,000 acres of Fremont National Forest and neighboring private ranchland and timberland.

Firefighter Don Johnson, of Lakeside, Ariz., hauls fire hoses back to trucks after the north end of the Winter fire crossed the line Sunday.

A convoy of 250 Oregon National Guard troops arrived Monday fresh from firefighting training to begin taking over mop-up duties on the Winter Fire, Oregon Department of Forestry spokesman Tom Berglund said.

"You really have to keep your eyes wide open and know what to look for," said guardswoman Tonya Frazier, as she geared-up and preapared to be deployed at the fire scene.

Kitzhaber took off by Blackhawk helicopter for the embattled Winter Fire area, after his stop in Ruch.

The Winter Fire was 40 percent contained at 31,100 acres, with full containment forecast for Thursday at 35,000 acres. The Tool Box Fire stood at 59,160 acres, and was also about 40 percent contained. There was no forecast for full containment.

Fires were taking a toll on farm communities across the state.

Fire Burns Ranch

Last week the fire burned wire-to-wire through Dan Napier's Winter Ridge Ranch, where he raises Tennessee walking horses in the narrow band of flat land between Winter Ridge and Summer Lake. And on Monday, he was calling seed dealers as far away as Madras to find grass to stabilize the hillsides against fall and winter rains.

"This thing isn't over for us yet," he said. "The danger of erosion is so great."

Napier lost a hay barn, tack room and a shop when the fire blew through his ranch last week, but he managed to get his horses to safety with the help of neighbors. They won't be able to come back until he repairs burned fences.

The Winter Fire pushed out a bulge on the southwest flank into stands of beetle-killed timber on the Fremont National Forest Sunday and advanced on its north flank along the narrow face of Winter Ridge.

Flames March Across Ridge

Helicopters made continuous water drops on the steep face of the ridge where the flames marched through Ponderosa pine and mountain mahogany.

Firefighters have already contended with strong winds, high temperatures and shorts in a high-tension power line caused by smoke in the air.

The blue bolts of electricity arced from the Bonneville Power Administration lines to the ground, and have killed several cows at the Winter and Toolbox complex. Firefighters don't go near the lines.

The expected storm could spark new fires and force authorities to draw crews off the major blazes, said David Widmark, a spokesman at Northwest Interagency Coordination Center in Portland.

"What happens with the weather will tell us what the rest of the week will look like for fire behavior," Widmark said.

Winter and Toolbox Merge

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Fire officials dispatched another 800 firefighters to the blaze Sunday, bringing the total force on site to about 2,000 people.

Fire management was also upgraded Sunday to a Type I team of national fire experts, Widmark said.

The fire was the second largest in the country, trailing only the Rattle complex burning in a remote part of Utah, and was about 15 percent contained Sunday, Widmark said.

A voluntary evacuation order remained in effect for the 60 homes near Summer Lake. Several homes in the Silver Lake area also were threatened, he said.

He said there are about 25 fires in Oregon that the center considers major.

25 Major Fires in Oregon

The 25 major fires along with hundreds of small flare-ups were burning on a total of 225,000 acres in central, southern and eastern Oregon on Monday.

In southern Oregon, the Roseburg complex of fires had burned more than 3,000 acres by Sunday in the Umpqua National Forest southeast of Roseburg. Of the 24 small fires in the complex, three were not being fought on Sunday because of their remote location, Widmark said.

Officials reported two small new fires Sunday.

The Lost Lake fire, started by lightning, burned 224 acres on state land 12 miles east of Medford. The Sheep Rock fire burned 500 acres two miles northeast of Riverside.

Officials on Sunday evacuated the Umpqua Creek Pow-wow grounds in the Boulder Creek/Jackson Creek area.

Several major wildfires were burning on about 225,452 acres in Oregon as of Monday morning. About 8,640 firefighters are working in the state:

WINTER-TOOLBOX FIRES

Started: in Lake County 07/12/02 and merged Saturday.

Size: 91,260 acres

Containment: 40 percent

Evacuations: Voluntary evacuations of 65 homes.

Damage: No.

On scene: 1,981 firefighters

Cause: Lightning.

EYERLY FIRE

Started: 15 miles NE of Camp Sherman, 07/09/02.

Size: 23,204 acres.

Containment: 70 percent.

Evacuations: None.

Damage: 18 houses destroyed.

On scene: 1,026 firefighters

Cause: Lightning.

MALHEUR COMPLEX

Started: 8-25 miles from Prairie City, 07/12/02.

Size: 8,211 acres.

Containment: 20 percent.

Evacuations: None; 50 residences are threatened, and 10 commercial properties, and 184 outbuildings.

Damage: None.

On scene: 833 firefighters

Cause: Lightning

TILLER COMPLEX

Started: Outside Tiller, east of Canyonville off Interstate 5, 07/12/02.

Size: 3,600 acres.

Containment: 6 percent

Evacuations: South Umpqua pow-wow grounds, all camp areas above Mile Marker 11 on the South Umpqua River.

Damage: Unknown.

On scene: 816 firefighters

Cause: Lightning.

FLAGTAIL FIRE

Started: 13 miles west of Seneca, 07/15/02

Size: 7,600 acres.

Containment: 55 percent

Evacuations: None

Damage: Part of Bear Valley Work Center destroyed, one home destroyed, one outbuilding destroyed.

On scene: 560 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning.

NORTH UMPQUA COMPLEX

Started: 25 miles east of Glide, 07/12/02.

Size: 600 acres.

Containment:20 percent.

Evacuations: 20 residences threatened

Damage: one commercial property and ten outbuildings.

On Scene: 385 firefighters

Cause: Lightning.

MONUMENT FIRE

Started: 9 miles southwest of Unity, 07/12/02

Size: 24,700 acres

Containment: 30 percent.

Evacuations: 75 residences threatened, plus five commercial buildings and ten outbuildings.

Damage: Unknown.

On Scene: 724 firefighters, military battalion scheduled to arrive today

Cause: Lightning.

GRIZZLY FIRE

Started: 15 miles west of Lakeview.

Size: 6,050 acres.

Containment: 60 percent.

Evacuations: RV Park threatened. Cottonwood Meadows Lake campground and group camp area is closed.

Damage: Unknown.

On scene: 338 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning.

747 FIRE

Started: Northeast of Paulina in Black Canyon Wilderness, 07/13/22.

Size: 10,630 acres

Containment: 20 percent.

Evacuations: None.

Damage: Road closures.

On scene: 357 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning.

BISCUIT FIRE

Started: 17 miles southwest of Cave Junction, 07/13/02. requesting a type one team

Size: 4,840 acres

Containment: zero percent.

Evacuations: None.

Damage: Unknown, but a wildnerness area is threatened.

On scene: 564 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning.

ROSEBURG COMPLEX

Started: outside of Roseburg, 07/12/02

Size: 700 acres.

Containment: 100 percent.

Evacuations: None.

Damage: Unknown.

On Scene: 168 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning.

LOST LAKE FIRE

Started: 7/13/02, 12 miles east of Medford

Size: 224 acres

Containment: 95 percent

Evacuations: None

Damage: mature conifers

On scene: 117 firefighters

Cause: Lightning

SHEEP ROCK FIRE

Started: 7/20/02, two miles northeast of Riverside, Ore.

Size: 700 acres

Containment: 50 percent

Evacuations: none

Damage: none

On Scene: 70 firefighters

Cause: lightning

NOTES: fire is exhibiting erratic behavior

LAVA FIRE:

Started: 7/13/02, 15 miles north/northwest of Christmas Valley,Ore.

Size: 400 acres

Containment: zero percent

Evacuations: Unknown, possible structures national forest land

Demage: Unknown

On scene: 2 people

Cause: lightning

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Source: The Northwest Interagency Coordination Center

(Copyright 2002 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

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1 posted on 07/22/2002 3:25:14 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: EBUCK; dixiechick2000; blackie; AuntB; Tailback
FYI!

Please let your fellow Oregonians know and your neighbors.
2 posted on 07/22/2002 3:27:01 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: WaterDragon
FYI and your bump list!
3 posted on 07/22/2002 3:27:38 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: madfly
FYI and your bump list!
4 posted on 07/22/2002 3:28:19 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: brityank
FYI and your bump list!
5 posted on 07/22/2002 3:28:56 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: farmfriend
FYI and your bump list!
6 posted on 07/22/2002 3:29:38 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: sauropod; countrydummy; AAABEST
FYI and your bump list!

What can happen to a state when the enviral whackos get control of it.
7 posted on 07/22/2002 3:30:49 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks! Well, I'm in the clear so far, but my prayers are with those in the affected areas.

Sure would be nice if we could get in and thin out some of this overgrowth, so that people's lives and property need not be threatened unnecessarily. Of course, that would never fly with the enviroterrorists who would prefer those of us in rural areas not be here in the first place!

8 posted on 07/22/2002 3:30:57 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
The enviral fascists will not even allow the harvesting of the fallen/dead trees from last year's fires.

Their ultimate goal is zero lumber coming out of any of their Druid Cathedrals, we used to call them our forests.

What area are you in Oregon?
9 posted on 07/22/2002 3:36:02 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
I'm in the Columbia River Gorge.
10 posted on 07/22/2002 3:37:09 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Grampa Dave
Firefighters have already contended with ... shorts in a high-tension power line caused by smoke in the air. The blue bolts of electricity arced from the Bonneville Power Administration lines to the ground, and have killed several cows at the Winter and Toolbox complex. Firefighters don't go near the lines.
Freaky.
11 posted on 07/22/2002 3:37:47 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Looking for Diogenes; Robert357; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Never do near nor under high powered lines during a fire with a lot of smoke.

The heavty smoke acts as a conductor, and the electricity will arc out from the lines and down to the ground. If you, a cow, a deer or elk are there, the trip is shorter.

I have pinged Robert357, our resident electrical expert on Free Republic for his input.
12 posted on 07/22/2002 3:43:16 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: marsh2; dixiechick2000; Helen; Mama_Bear; poet; Grampa Dave; doug from upland; WolfsView; ...
Ping
13 posted on 07/22/2002 3:59:41 PM PDT by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend
Thanks!
14 posted on 07/22/2002 4:02:41 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for the ping!

I have been away quite a bit but still checking in now and then!

15 posted on 07/22/2002 4:06:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: All
Here is the official forecast for the Klamath Falls area:

KLAMATH BASIN-NORTHEAST SISKIYOU AND NORTHWEST MODOC COUNTIES-
INCLUDING
TULELAKE...MERRILL


NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MEDFORD OR

350 PM PDT MON JUL 22 2002




NOW... A STRONG THUNDERSTORM CONTAINING HEAVY DOWNPOURS AND POSSIBLY SMALL HAIL WILL REACH TULELAKE AT 505 PM...HATFIELD AT 520 PM... AND MERRILL AT 545 PM. THIS STORM IS MOVING NORTHWEST AT 15 MPH ALONG CALIFORNIA STATE HIGHWAY 139. WOLF



KLAMATH BASIN-
INCLUDING THE LOCATIONS OF...BONANZA...CHILOQUIN...FORT KLAMATH...
KLAMATH FALLS...MERRILL


NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MEDFORD, OR

300 PM PDT MON JUL 22 2002




TONIGHT...PARTLY CLOUDY WITH SCATTERED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS LOWS IN THE LOWER 50S. SOUTHEAST WINDS 10 MPH BECOMING NORTHWEST EARLY IN THE MORNING. CHANCE OF RAIN 40 PERCENT.
TUESDAY...PARTLY CLOUDY... SCATTERED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS IN THE AFTERNOON. HIGHS IN THE MID 80S. LIGHT AND VARIABLE WINDS BECOMING SOUTHWEST IN THE AFTERNOON AND INCREASING TO 5 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF RAIN 20 PERCENT.
TUESDAY NIGHT...SCATTERED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS IN THE EVENING...OTHERWISE MOSTLY CLEAR. LOWS IN THE MID 40S. SOUTHWEST WINDS 15 MPH BECOMING NORTHEAST LATE. CHANCE OF RAIN 20 PERCENT.
WEDNESDAY...MOSTLY SUNNY AND BREEZY... HIGHS IN THE MID 80S... SOUTH WINDS 5 MPH BECOMING WEST IN THE AFTERNOON AND INCREASING TO 10 TO 20 MPH.
WEDNESDAY NIGHT...MOSTLY CLEAR AND BREEZY... LOWS IN THE UPPER 40S
THURSDAY...SUNNY... HIGHS IN THE UPPER 80S
THURSDAY NIGHT...CLEAR... LOWS IN THE UPPER 40S
FRIDAY THROUGH MONDAY...CLEAR... LOWS IN THE UPPER 40S AND HIGHS AROUND 90. Location Forecast Temperature Probability Of Precipitation




Current Observations for:
Klamath Falls



Date/Time 02:53PM
Weather Smoke
Visibility 6 mile(s)
Temperature 82 F
Dewpoint 47 F
Relative Humidity 29%
Wind NW 12 MPH
Pressure 29.96 in




Nearby Weather
Location Date/Time Weather Temperature
Lakeview 03:35PM Vicinity THUNDERSTORM 88 F
Medford 02:56PM Fair 88 F




Other Observation Links
Chiloquin
Fourmile Lake
Panhandle




16 posted on 07/22/2002 4:09:08 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
So are they keeping you busy?
17 posted on 07/22/2002 4:10:43 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: B Knotts
If things get hot there, you can jump on your wind surfer and head to the middle of the Columbia River and watch it all burn down.
18 posted on 07/22/2002 4:13:08 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: farmfriend
I will add a link to this to the mass email I am about to transmit.
19 posted on 07/22/2002 4:13:12 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for the update!
It's in the mid-90's today in the Metro area. You know that means it will be HOT east of the Cascades. I saw a weather report that said the humidity will be 8-12% there, as well. Now, that's dry!

LAVA FIRE:
Size: 400 acres
Containment: zero percent
On scene: 2 people

What's up with that?

20 posted on 07/22/2002 4:19:00 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: farmfriend
Thanks for the ping!;o)
21 posted on 07/22/2002 4:20:15 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks GD. Smoke is clearing quite a bit thanks to some wind in the basin. Progress being made on the major fires in lake COunty.
22 posted on 07/22/2002 4:26:58 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: dixiechick2000; AuntB; farmfriend; EBUCK; blackie; madfly; brityank; forester; marsh2; ...
You might want to store this before the ONRC makes it disappear: (link to ONRC bragging about how good roadless areas are for the Oregon economy)

Prepared by: Southwick Associates for the: Oregon Natural Resources Council (ONRC) and the World Wildlife Fund (WWF)

ONRC Press Release 09/07/00: Economic Health is Tied to Wilderness and National Monument Protection

New report shows community economic health is associated with roadless and protected lands August 15, 2000 Acknowledgements

This study was produced by Southwick Associates for the Oregon Natural Resources Council (ONRC) and the World Wildlife Fund (WWF). The primary author was Dr. Paul Lorah with co-authorship provided by Rob Southwick. Professional comments and critical review were provided by Dr. John Bergstrom of the University of Georgia, Dr. Rebecca Johnson of Oregon State University, Dr. John Loomis of Colorado State University, and Ernie Niemi of ECONorthwest. The authors wish to thank the many who provided invaluable assistance including Ken Rait and Tim Lillebo of the ONRC; Dr. Dominick Della Sala and Dale Hile of the WWF, and Pete Morton of The Wilderness Society. Special thanks also goes to Tom Sadler of Two Dogs Trading Company. Despite the countless people who assisted in this study, the authors remain solely responsible for all content herein.

Executive Summary The purpose of this study is to help improve understanding of the relationship between economic growth and protection of roadless lands. This was accomplished using historical data regarding the economic experience of individual western and Oregon counties. By looking to the past to see how county economies were affected by the creation of wilderness areas, we gain a better understanding of how future roadless designations might affect Oregon counties. Similarly, by investigating the relationship between protected areas (wilderness, national parks and national monuments) and local economies, we can find whether limiting extractive activities on public lands limits county-level economic growth.

The issues that were examined and the major results are as follows:

In Oregon, the relationship between the environment and the economy is changing. Industries that extract raw materials are stagnating, while industries that benefit from the presence of environmental amenities are growing rapidly.

If economic sectors benefiting from environmental amenities are more important sources of economic growth than extractive industries, then the presence of roadless areas and wilderness, national parks and national monuments should not harm local economies. In fact, in the eleven western states including Oregon, the presence of protected lands (wilderness, national parks, and national monuments) and roadless areas is associated with income and employment growth:

<>Now for the Cluster Bohica summary:The cluster analysis test indicates that the presence of Forest Service roadless or protected areas is not correlated with slower income or employment growth in any of the county clusters. This means that the statistical test could not find any indication that roadless or protected areas have caused county economies to grow slower. Instead, there is evidence that for some county types the presence of roadless areas is correlated with income and employment growth. ------------------------------------------------------------

Folks this is the Enviral Bravo Sierra that has led to Oregon's high rate of recession, companies leaving Oregon and the fire situation in the forests and other areas.

The answer is not higher employment when you stop roads into areas and make these forests/lands into Druid Cathedrals where no one can enter. The end result are the fires that we are seeing now and the incredible recession and unemployment that Oregon having due to this enviral Bravo Sierra stuff of closing roads and no lumber or ore businesses.

23 posted on 07/22/2002 4:34:26 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
Thanks for the better report. Hopefully your area will be spared from any lightening storms this evening and the rest of this week.
24 posted on 07/22/2002 4:36:32 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: dixiechick2000
I was wondering who would read and find this little gem:

LAVA FIRE: Size: 400 acres Containment: zero percent On scene: 2 people

What's up with that?

25 posted on 07/22/2002 4:37:47 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for staying on top of this Dave !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!
26 posted on 07/22/2002 4:55:45 PM PDT by blackie
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To: farmfriend
Thanks for the bump, FF !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!
27 posted on 07/22/2002 4:56:55 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Grampa Dave
Probably not as potentially dangerous as other fires, perhaps? Don't rightly know, but it seems reasonable if that is the case...
28 posted on 07/22/2002 4:59:22 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks Dave, do you think this enviro-nazis a$$holes really believe the stuff they're peddling...

Stop the attacks by the wacko, extreme left-wing, enviro-nazis terrorist's on our Freedoms !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

29 posted on 07/22/2002 5:02:10 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for this report, Gramps.
I have it stored!
30 posted on 07/22/2002 5:02:32 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: blackie
Store my reply #23 on your computer or some server that you have access to.

This may all disappear when the fecal fire storm hits after these fires are over.
31 posted on 07/22/2002 5:04:08 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Chad Fairbanks
It is a very remote and hostile area to get into and out of.

I saw that too re the 2 workers and thought the same.

I keep hearing rumors on the Biscuit Complex Fire over in the wilderness area of Cave Junction that no fire fighters are in the wilderness area. Of course after two decades of spotted owl territory and the masked marbled warbler or whatever, if you don't have wings and talons, you probably can't get into that area.
32 posted on 07/22/2002 5:08:39 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Will do Dave, I have two 30 GB hard drives and have about 45 unused GB's...lotsa room...

33 posted on 07/22/2002 5:09:14 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Grampa Dave
I like the Keywords of this post. Very descriptive.
34 posted on 07/22/2002 5:09:16 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: blackie
Sometime when you have some time do a yahoo or Google or whatever search on the no roads agendas in the Oregon area by these envirals and stores some of the critical data.

As you know that has been their agenda for about 10 years, and they have left an electronic trail for years.

I expect a lot of this stuff to start disappearing as these fires get more common place and more people wake up to what these enviral whackos want to do to us via their no road agendas.
35 posted on 07/22/2002 5:13:33 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave; *landgrab; *Green; *Enviralists; farmfriend; marsh2; dixiechick2000; Mama_Bear; ...
Thanks for this, Dave; I have the pdf and scanned through it. Nowhere does it mention the costs and restrictions placed on the 'extractive' industries by the envirowhackos lying lawsuits. They seem to make a big deal about retirees and their spending; money that those retirees both saved via using the 'extractive' industries and the well-funded benefit programs they provided. I don't believe there is any way the same groups will be as well off thirty years from now if the ESA and the UN Wildlands designations hold firm.

WRT the high-tension power lines and their propensity to arc in smoke; why wasn't Bonneville told to shut down the lines? Those arcs are just as likely to start more fires as lightning if not moreso, as they would have more repetitive arcs to the same area.

Thanks for keeping us abreast of these fires and conditions.

Ping. You guys need to read through this thread.

36 posted on 07/22/2002 5:16:57 PM PDT by brityank
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To: Grampa Dave
Yeah, that makes sense - a remote area means the threat to homes, people, ect... is probably pretty small... best use of resources, right now, is probably where there are homes, businesses, etc...

Of course, these resources could have been better spent managing the forests in fire prevention, but we can thank the left-wing f****rs for that...

Pardon my French ;0)

37 posted on 07/22/2002 5:18:48 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Grampa Dave
Good idea, I like Google, I open two of my eighteen open windows in IE everyday to Google.

Here is another search site that isn't bad:
http://www.alltheweb.com

Molon Labe !!
38 posted on 07/22/2002 5:20:16 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Grampa Dave
Love your keywords!!

Stop Rural Cleansing!

39 posted on 07/22/2002 5:21:25 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: brityank
I hae been reading and posting... :o)
40 posted on 07/22/2002 5:21:55 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Grampa Dave
Dave, I'll add a link directly to #23 in the next email I send out- probably in the morning. People need to read this stuff, and get educated.
41 posted on 07/22/2002 5:35:20 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Grampa Dave
Latest from the toolbox/Winter/Grizzley

Fire fighters have done an incredible job saving structures & homes. Devastation is beyond imagination to those that have not seen a large scale western forest fire (yellowstone) Fire crossed highway 31 (Paisley area) a few times. Human resources have backed off a bit as fires are converging. Once fires converge, direction of spread is difficult to predict- putting people at risk. The fires are burning some nice deer hunting grounds to the dismay of the Jack Piners here at Klamath. Thunderstorms have hit the area - serious winds/significant temp drops/hail and just a tad of rain.<p.Governor Catslobber on scene today admiring the results of his policies.

42 posted on 07/22/2002 5:54:58 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: blackie
Thanx for the new search site. I get all the good stuff from my fellow frepsters! Thanx also to you Gramps for the fire update. I just sent info to my Family. You do wonderful work.
43 posted on 07/22/2002 7:34:42 PM PDT by jaz.357
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To: farmfriend
Thanks for the heads up!
44 posted on 07/22/2002 7:53:22 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: jaz.357; blackie
One of the benefits of being a freeper is the help that we get and the new ways to see things. Blackie thanks for the new search site.
45 posted on 07/22/2002 9:12:09 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
The good thing re deer hunting will be the next 3-4 season after this winter's rains. Deer hunting after a burn becomes incredible.
46 posted on 07/22/2002 9:14:20 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: backhoe
Their own data re their own agendas is like a huge trail of blood leading to their dens.

They have been pushing this no roads agenda, no timber agenda and nothing taken from the earth agenda for 2 decades now. They brag about their wins with these agendas and raise money based on their agendas being implemented.

If we had a press that presented the truth 10% of the time, there would be no envirals bragging about their poison agendas.

So it is up to the good people like you to spread the word.
47 posted on 07/22/2002 9:20:15 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: brityank; EBUCK; dixiechick2000; B Knotts; AuntB; Archie Bunker on steroids; backhoe
Can you imagine what Gray Fascist Davis would do if he couldn't get his daily dose of several thousand megawatts from Bonneville Power. Plus Bonneville is doing all sorts of things with that extra money and the power we send back up north each night.

Re the wilderness society and the so called gains due to no roads. They are the same as World Com and the liars on Wall Street. They have lied about the great profits that the roadless areas had for Oregon. The retirees didn't move up there for the roadless Druid havens. They moved there because property was cheaper than down here in Kali and the lack of a sales tax.

The anti business behavior of the Oregon enviral governor, Andy Kerr and the fascists of the ONRC have chased away a lot of business and killed the heavy construction industry in Oregon.

Their lies are typical of the lies throughout the nation during the lies of the Clintoons. Also, their lies came before the bust of the Nasdaq.

This data re their lies needs to get out. However, since they took credit for the gains, it proper to blame them for the crash of the Oregon economy which can be documented to their anti logging, anti raw materials and anti business agendas.

Out of work in Oregon, go tell your story to an enviral. He cost you, your job!
48 posted on 07/22/2002 9:33:25 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Chad Fairbanks
There isn't much to threaten re humans and their resources in that area. So they probably left a couple of guys with a 4 wheel drive, some fire equipment, cell phones and a map to keep the Fire Boss appraised.
49 posted on 07/22/2002 9:36:53 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Rebelbase
If you can think of any more descriptive key words, please add them.

The enviralists and liberals hate it when we nail them with key words that describe them and their agendas with no wiggle room.
50 posted on 07/22/2002 9:39:51 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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