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Teenage girl killed in Hebron clash
CNN.com ^ | July 28, 2002 | CNN

Posted on 07/29/2002 4:37:59 AM PDT by E Rocc

Teenage girl killed in Hebron clash July 28, 2002 Posted: 10:46 PM EDT (0246 GMT)

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- A 13-year-old Palestinian girl was killed and 21 other Palestinians and 15 Israeli policemen wounded Sunday when Israeli settlers rioted and clashed with Palestinians in the West Bank town of Hebron, Palestinian and Israeli sources said.

An Israeli police spokesman said the riot erupted during the funeral of an Israeli soldier, one of four settlers killed Friday in an ambush by Palestinian gunmen.

The spokesman said the settlers damaged several police cars. Four settlers were arrested for interrogation, he said.

Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat said the Palestinian teenager who died was shot in the head. Another person was shot, one person was stabbed and the rest were beaten, according to the Palestine Red Crescent Society. Their wounds were described as light to moderate.

The Israeli sources confirmed that shooting and beatings took place and said the Palestinians had thrown rocks and stones at the funeral procession, helping to instigate the violence.

The Israeli police spokesman said the policemen who were wounded were trying to intervene between the Palestinians and the settlers. The Israelis said soldiers also intervened and treated two wounded Palestinians.

Erakat said the Israelis did not do enough to stop the settlers. Erakat, who at the time was in Jericho, about 50 miles away, said he held the Israeli government responsible for the casualties.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hebron; israel; settlers; zealots
The Israeli government should consider removing the Hebron settlements. This would free up a lot of soldiers from a distasteful duty (the settlers are often abusive towards their protectors), demonstrate to the PA and the international community that the GOI is willing to make significant concessions, and serve as a warning to the zealots that they will not be able to disturb the path to peace at will.

Yes, the Palestinians were wrong to toss rocks, but one wonders what would have happened had the settlers been locked in their homes so that a PA officer's funeral procession could pass.

-Eric

1 posted on 07/29/2002 4:37:59 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: E Rocc
Excuse me, but the settlers have been locked in their homes for two years. They are shot at if they leave their compound and stoned and shot at if they even have a funeral. Perhaps the Arabs should leave seeing how they are the ones causing all the violence.

Just a thought, seeing how all the Arab squatters are living in the Hebron Hills. How about every illegal immigrant Arab that does not have a valid visa or a valid deed to the land they have built houses on gets deported? Is this agreeable to you? You do realize that the majority of them would have to move. Polls show that more than 80% of Arabs currently in Israel came here this generation.

2 posted on 07/29/2002 5:05:15 AM PDT by American in Israel
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To: E Rocc
Yes, the Palestinians were wrong to toss rocks ...

You understand that a way that people are *killer* is by *stoning* them, right? Stoning is not throwing pebbles. It's throwing stones that crack bones and crush skulls. It's not a petty thing. Goliath was felled with a stone. The first Christian martyr was stoned to death. Etc....

4 posted on 07/29/2002 5:33:03 AM PDT by Theo
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To: Theo
"killer" = "killed".
5 posted on 07/29/2002 5:33:29 AM PDT by Theo
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To: E Rocc
The Israeli government should consider removing the Hebron settlements.

"I'll just throw some meat to the wolves. Perhaps then they will stop bothering me, eh wot!" - Neville Chamberlain, Statesman Savant

6 posted on 07/29/2002 5:40:22 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: E Rocc
The Israeli government should consider removing the Hebron settlements.

Your "one size fits all Peace Plan" always involves the ethnic cleansing of Jews from whatever neighborhood they have been the victims of terror attacks.

7 posted on 07/29/2002 5:46:43 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: American in Israel
Excuse me, but the settlers have been locked in their homes for two years. They are shot at if they leave their compound and stoned and shot at if they even have a funeral. Perhaps the Arabs should leave seeing how they are the ones causing all the violence.
According to the Jerusalem Post, the Israeli government is blaming the settlers for what happened.

It sounds like the Israeli government is re-focusing their efforts. They're backing off on Palestinians in general and going after Hamas hard. Now they're proving that they are at least willing to criticize the zealots. The next few weeks should be interesting, providing the GOI sticks to this path the next time Hamas or Hezbollah tries to divert the peace process with an attack.

-Eric

8 posted on 07/29/2002 6:26:41 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: Alouette
Your "one size fits all Peace Plan" always involves the ethnic cleansing of Jews from whatever neighborhood they have been the victims of terror attacks.
Show me the post where I advocated removing any Jews from anywhere other than the West Bank or Gaza?

-Eric

9 posted on 07/29/2002 6:28:14 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: E Rocc
Of course the Jpost blames the Jews, they rioted. That kinda crap is not tolerated by Israel. Jews are held to a much higher standard than the Arabs are inside Israel. For example, a jew throws a rock at a car and he will go to prison for endangering a life.

But trust me, tossing rocks at anybody having a funeral procession for a terror victim will tend to raise tempers. People for some reason don't like having rocks tossed at weeping widows and children. When the rock tossers are the killers it floats like a lead balloon.
10 posted on 07/29/2002 7:37:55 AM PDT by American in Israel
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To: E Rocc
Why should Jews have to move from their homes? They have not moved the Arabs and the Arabs are killers. Why should innocent Jews have to move from the Hebron hills? After all, the Jews have lived there for thousands of years and the Arabs all showed up 600 years ago in an invasion. Perhaps Israel should invade and claim the land so they could have the same rights as the Arabs?
11 posted on 07/29/2002 7:47:24 AM PDT by American in Israel
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To: American in Israel
"But trust me, tossing rocks at anybody having a funeral procession for a terror victim will tend to raise tempers. People for some reason don't like having rocks tossed at weeping widows and children. "

I hear that. Sounds to me like the rock tossers got off easy. To bad about the girl that was killed though. Hard to say if she was a rock tosser, but its always sad when someone is killed.

Wish people would stop and think about the consequences before they do stupid things like throwing rocks at funeral processions.

12 posted on 07/29/2002 8:58:07 AM PDT by monday
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To: American in Israel
Why should Jews have to move from their homes? They have not moved the Arabs and the Arabs are killers. Why should innocent Jews have to move from the Hebron hills? After all, the Jews have lived there for thousands of years and the Arabs all showed up 600 years ago in an invasion. Perhaps Israel should invade and claim the land so they could have the same rights as the Arabs?
The settlers in Hebron are basically squatters. The Arabs have lived there for at least 1,400 years (and took the land from Christians, who got it more or less by default from the Romans).

Once there's a Palestinian state, I would expect Israel to demand that Jews have the same rights there that Arabs have in Israel. But the conditions right now make peace impossible. The settlers, a bunch as disruptive as any Palestinian mob not packing explosives, actually have more privileges than the Arabs. Would they be locked in their houses in order to protect an Arab march?

By the way, Ha'aretz is even more critical of the settler mob than the J-Post was.

-Eric

13 posted on 07/29/2002 11:47:17 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: E Rocc
Oh yeah. Concessions to terrorists is always a good suggestion.
14 posted on 07/29/2002 11:48:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: E Rocc
European Americans are basically squatters under your rules.
15 posted on 07/29/2002 11:50:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
Oh yeah. Concessions to terrorists is always a good suggestion.
Targetting the actual terrorists while slacking off on the people who share their purported cause isn't a bad idea though. Neither is recognizing there's agitators with no interest in peace on both sides.

-Eric

16 posted on 07/29/2002 11:51:35 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: E Rocc
Targetting the actual terrorists while slacking off on the people who share their purported cause isn't a bad idea though.

Oh yeah. Making concessions to the supporters of terrorism is always a good idea. They will start to love you when you do.

17 posted on 07/29/2002 11:53:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: zhabotinsky
The Arabs are the interlopers and should be the ones to get the boot.

They should learn to live together. We did it over here...why can't they?

18 posted on 07/29/2002 11:58:04 AM PDT by krb
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To: krb
They should learn to live together.

"They" should learn to stop bombing buses and restaurants

19 posted on 07/29/2002 11:59:20 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: sapient02
The settlers have shown a lot of tolerance, but they need to be more aggresive,and give the Arabs a taste of their own medicine.
Fortunately, even the Israeli government disagrees with you.

-Eric

21 posted on 07/29/2002 12:23:47 PM PDT by E Rocc
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To: krb
The Arabs are the interlopers and should be the ones to get the boot.

They should learn to live together. We did it over here...why can't they?

They also manage to (more or less) in Israel proper. Part of the reason for that is the Israeli zealots tend to live in the West Bank.

IMO this is a reason the Israeli government maintains the settlement at great cost to their international prestige: it helps keep things more peaceful in Israel proper. Zealots can pester new immigrants and Arabs instead of secular Jews.

-Eric

22 posted on 07/29/2002 12:30:52 PM PDT by E Rocc
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To: zhabotinsky
It is self-evident that the Kahanist plan of population transfer is the only reasonable solution.
That would eventually lead to atomic war or the destruction of Israel....or both. The US would have to cut off aid to any nation that committed such a crime. Fortunately, most of Israel knows it, which is why Kach is a banned organization.

-Eric

24 posted on 07/29/2002 12:55:40 PM PDT by E Rocc
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To: E Rocc
Yes, the Palestinians were wrong to toss rocks, but one wonders what would have happened had the settlers been locked in their homes so that a PA officer's funeral procession could pass.

One wonders what those "settlers" are doing in the middle of Palestinian population? They are full of hatred and fanaticism. Their objective is to humilate and provoke Arabs and to prevent any meaningful peaceful solution.

26 posted on 07/29/2002 1:21:52 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: zhabotinsky
The notion that Jews are just 'settlers' in Hebron is nauseating. The Arabs are the interlopers and should be the ones to get the boot.

Welcome to the Free Republic Mr. Zhabotinsky. Are you by any chance a grandson of a famous Polish Jewish fascist - of the same name?

If not you still appear to share similar views

28 posted on 07/29/2002 1:38:05 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
One wonders what those "settlers" are doing in the middle of Palestinian population?

It is considered a Holy City to the Jewish faith. Jews should not be allowed to live in what is Judaism's most holy city after Jerusalem? That is like saying Muslims have no right to live in Medina.

History of the Jews in Hebron

30 posted on 07/29/2002 2:05:56 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: E Rocc
The settlers in Hebron are basically squatters. The Arabs have lived there for at least 1,400 years

Did you know Jews have lived in Israel for over 4000 years? That some of those Israeli's families lived in Hebron 2000 years before Mohammad was ever a nightmare hanging over Persia and the same families stayed there through the destruction of Judea, through the Romans, through the Islam invasion, through ww1 and ww2 and will be there through ww3. Why should those Jews, who have lived there as long as the dang rocks have suddenly have to leave because some Persian invaders say they want that spot in the world to be Jew Free? Who died and made Moslems king of the world? Who are these backwards, sand killers to dictate to the modern world anything?

This whole War on terrorism thing is political stupidity. Remember the scene from the Indiana Jones movie where Harrison Ford is faced by a Moslem swordsman? Lets just whip out the old 44mag and get this stupid part of mans history over with.

Once there's a Palestinian state, I would expect Israel to demand that Jews have the same rights there that Arabs have in Israel.

Are you kidding me?! You really have no clue do you. There ARE NO JEWS in PA AREAS, the are ALL DEAD or GONE. Jews only have the right to be dead. All (ALL) of the ancient Christian Churches are bulldozed in Ephesians, Corinthians etc. Those cultures were wiped out (as in slaughtered) by the Moslem invasion. All the ancient places destroyed. The native people killed and replaced by Arabs. The singing Kumbya and can't we all just get along crap is just that. The answer is NO. You can not live in peace with someone who rapes your daughter, kills you and forces your wife to have sex with him cause allah said he could make captive women his wife, limit four. Only for Mohammad limit 16. Worry not, you can trade in any woman with a fresh captive at will...

The settlers, a bunch as disruptive as any Palestinian mob not packing explosives,

Funny, I have heard of about 3 riots in 3 years with Jews and we get about 3 a day with Palestinians and most of them DO PACK EXPLOSIVES. None of the Jewish riots use explosives because that takes prior intent. Nobody says, hey, I think I will put this grenade in my pocket for self defense. But every stinking day over here grenades get thrown at Jews.

...actually have more privileges than the Arabs.

Of course they do, they live in a democracy and the Arabs now live in a dictatorship that WE set up. What the heck do you expect! If WE had not forced Autonomy on them under the PA they would have just as many rights as the Jews do. In fact they did have just as many rights. But we put them under their own government, the Palestinian Authority who promptly STRIPPED them of their rights. So why the heck are you inferring blame on the Jews? WE are the idiots that enforced OSLO on the ARABS not the JEWS!

Would they be locked in their houses in order to protect an Arab march?

The Jews in Hebron have been locked in their houses for 18 months, not 18 stinking days precisely because of the Arab "marches". But no one complained, because they do not give a s#!t about Jewish rights, just the "poor widdle baby killers". Your stand here is complete and utter BullS#!t. Jews do not get curfew, they get shot, stabbed, beaten, gutted, stomped, dragged behind cars, blown up, burned, mutilated, spit on, reviled, poisoned and burned alive. But they do not get a horrible "curfew". They might wish for just a cerfew, but that is hardly an option. If the Arabs ever got the upper hand their would not be a Jew left alive to curfew. Heck the Koran even says for the Moslems to kill every Jew. It says in the last days the last remaining Jew alive will hide behind a bush and the bush will call out to the Moslem and say Hey, come kill this Jew. Genocide is not an option to the Islamic, it is a RELIGIOUS COMMAND!

You need to get real here! Where have you been the last two years?

Once there's a Palestinian state, I would expect Israel to demand that Jews have the same rights there that Arabs have in Israel.

ROTFLMAO! You have got to be kidding!!! The Arabs NEVER, NEVER give their people freedom, why the heck should they give Jews anything? Israel is one of the few places that Arabs in the Middle East can vote and the ONLY place women can. (Jews demanding rights under an Islamic Dictatorship... *chuckle*)

31 posted on 07/29/2002 9:36:31 PM PDT by American in Israel
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