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An Open Letter To Members of Congress from Col. David Hackworth
WorldNewsDaily.com ^ | July 9, 2002 | Col. David Hackworth

Posted on 07/31/2002 11:36:58 AM PDT by blau993

TUESDAY JULY 9 2002

An Open Letter to Members of Congress

© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

Dear Honorable Congresspersons:

One of your vital tasks is to ensure that our warriors who hang it all out on the killing field are equipped with the right stuff.

I don't see that happening anytime soon unless you get enough straight skinny to counteract lobbyist propaganda and other military-industrial-congressional-complex spin. So to help provide more fair and balanced input, I plan to occasionally pass along some of the most commonly recurring bitches that come my way weekly in e-mails, letters, phone calls, etc., from our warriors.

Let's begin with the M-9, the 9 mm Beretta pistol – which our combat troops say is the first item that should be tossed into the junk pile!

"They're constantly breaking," reports a warrior from Afghanistan. "To make matters worse, the 9 mm round is like firing paint balls. I had to pump four rounds into an al-Qaida who was coming at me before he dropped. We're dealing with fanatical crazies out here who won't quit until they die for Allah."

The Beretta can only be used bone-dry. Even then, it jams repeatedly if sand or grit gets into moving parts. Its ball round has proven to be worse than the .38 Colt pistol slug used by the U.S. Army in the Philippines until it was retired almost a century ago in favor of the .45 ACP M-1911 pistol – fielded to stop the Moros, who ironically were also Islamic fanatics.

Now Special Forces and Light Infantry soldiers in Afghanistan want to bring back the century-old .45, and some elite Marine units already have. A Special Forces sergeant says, "The large-caliber, slow-moving .45 bullet puts the bad guys on the ground. Lighter stuff like the Beretta's 9 mm will, too – eventually – but on the battlefield you almost always have to double tap, and in close combat a gunfighter hasn't the time or the ammo to lose firing two rounds."

Rangers, Marines and most Special Ops troops are some of the other elite warriors in the U.S. military who carry personal firearms in combat while the brass look the other way. Quite a few choose to pack two purchased handguns. But the only Rangers who use the Beretta – even as backup – are those who can't afford to buy their own firearms, and they and the rest of these elite fighters unanimously agree that they "can't trust this fragile, unreliable sidearm."

Almost all the Rangers engaged in hand-to-hand combat during Op Anaconda packed their own personal sidearms. "When I ran out of ammo with my rifle, I pulled my pistol," a Ranger sergeant says. "It saved my life. I hit a number of enemy 30-40 yards away who went down immediately from my .45 rounds. With a Beretta, I wouldn't have made it because of the far-too-light 9 mm bullet, play in the action and its limited range."

In another fight, a Ranger fired several torso shots with a .45 pistol before his foe fell. "When we looked at the corpses, we found their mouths full of khat," he says. "It was like these guys were pumped up on PCP. With the Beretta, I'd have had to fire all 15 rounds and then thrown the pistol at this wild-eyed dude."

We went into Vietnam with a bad weapon, the M-16 rifle, which was responsible for killing thousands of our soldiers. It was a jammer, and if you have a jammed rifle in a firefight, you're dead. The M-16 was such a loser that some jungle-smart grunts refused to carry it and packed captured Soviet AK-47s instead.

What the M-16 was to Vietnam, the Beretta is to Afghanistan. And a soldier with no confidence in his weapon isn't the most motivated fighter in Death Valley.

"We're frustrated here that no one in Washington seems to have the slightest concern for our survival," writes a sergeant from Afghanistan. "It's a damn good thing that we have air superiority and so far haven't had many heavy fights."

Perhaps you congressional folks can figure out how to recycle some of the bucks we'll save from the Pentagon-zapped Crusader and get our combat troops a decent sidearm. This would surely relieve some of that frustration and, just by the way, keep our warriors alive.


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Hard to believe this wasn't posted, but I've searched high and low and couldn't find it.

Is the Beretta really bad news, or is it just unfortunate to be following in the footsteps of a legend?

I am interested in the Freeper take on this issue.

1 posted on 07/31/2002 11:36:59 AM PDT by blau993
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To: blau993
I'm no expert, but personally, if I had to be confronting enemy soldiers, I would rather have my glock .45 or 1911 .45 than the beretta any day. The safety is tough (for me a least) to get to, grip is chunky, and I can control .45 recoil as easily as 9mm. Never been in combat, but I'd rather have a .45 than a 9mm.
2 posted on 07/31/2002 11:40:14 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: blau993
The article is not as much a complaint against the Beretta as the 9MM Hardball round it fires.....If I understood the field guy's, they wouldn't care what sidearm they had if it was firing 9MM, they want a round with more punch like the venerable .45 cal.......
NeverGore
3 posted on 07/31/2002 11:43:02 AM PDT by nevergore
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To: blau993
Rangers, Marines and most Special Ops troops are some of the other elite warriors in the U.S. military who carry personal firearms in combat while the brass look the other way.

Try doing that in a conventional line unit in the Army, I dare you. Get your @$$ tossed in jail faster than you can say "dishonorable discharge." Yet another reason I want to be on the Spec Ops side of the house...

4 posted on 07/31/2002 11:49:20 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater
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To: nevergore
While admittedly a lot of the dissatisfaction is with the light load, the article also talks about jamming and breaking which I would think is damn inconvenient in a combat setting. I had always heard the Beretta was a fine, well made weapon, and this surprises me.
5 posted on 07/31/2002 11:49:32 AM PDT by blau993
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To: blau993
The Beretta is an exellent sidearm for Army tests. It was adopted in order to have the US military firing the 9mm Nato round in sidearmsThe stats when one is comparing "ball" ammunition show it to be an ineffective stopper compared to .45 acp ball. Check out evan Marshall's work on this subject.

In short believe the guys coming back from the boonies they know what the problems are and what works. remember it does not help if the guy you are shooting dies one second after he inflicts a mortal wound on you. The .45 acp works.

Stay well - stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown

6 posted on 07/31/2002 11:51:03 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: *bang_list
definete bang.
7 posted on 07/31/2002 11:51:45 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: blau993
Is the Beretta really bad news, or is it just unfortunate to be following in the footsteps of a legend?

Nearly every police agency that used Beretta's has trashed them and gone to other handguns, usually in larger calibers than 9mm. Most departments are now using .40 S&W or .45 ACP in their semi-autos. A fair number of departments still use wheel guns (revolvers) in .357 magnum.

8 posted on 07/31/2002 11:55:15 AM PDT by scooter2
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To: blau993
My father has been a gun dealer for many years. He would always tell me that the .45 was considered by many to be one of, if not the best, combat handguns ever made.
9 posted on 07/31/2002 11:56:49 AM PDT by danneskjold
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To: Future Snake Eater
good luck with your pursuit....
10 posted on 07/31/2002 12:03:57 PM PDT by housethatruthbuilt
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To: blau993
Now that this problem has been brought to light by a true American hero, it should be corrected in one week. If it's not corrected, the congresscritters and/or military procurement officers involved in switching to the Beretta should be tried for aiding and abetting the enemy.

As far as standardizing with NATO, screw it. These are American, not French, troops we're talking about.

The money saved on life insurance payouts should more than compensate for any increased cost to procure a good sidearm.

11 posted on 07/31/2002 12:04:55 PM PDT by jackliberty
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To: scooter2
Statistically the 9mm with a good hollowpoint can be an effective stopper. However, if one is limited to ball ammunition (round nose full metal jacket) one is much better armed with a .45acp than any other round. I fired a ten shot group from my .45 acp last night and I could fit both hands through the one ragged hole.

This is not to say I advocate ball for carry in a .45acp. I most strongly reccommend hollowpoints as they are less likely to overpenetrate. Overpentration is not so severe a concern in a military situation as it is for a self-defense situation.

Stay well - Stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown

12 posted on 07/31/2002 12:06:03 PM PDT by harpseal
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To: Future Snake Eater
I note that it is possible for any member of any service to volunteer for BUD/S.

Stay well - Stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown

13 posted on 07/31/2002 12:07:39 PM PDT by harpseal
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To: harpseal
question to you and others:
i just purchased my first handgun, a 9mm which is fine for target shhoting. my next purchase will be a 45. which ones should i be loking at? heard good things about the Para Ordinance 1911. thanks.
14 posted on 07/31/2002 12:09:05 PM PDT by housethatruthbuilt
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To: jackliberty
While I agree with you about what should happen it will not happen.

Stay well - stay safe - stay armed - yorktown

15 posted on 07/31/2002 12:09:53 PM PDT by harpseal
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To: blau993
"The Colt Model 1911 was the product of a very capable person, namely John Moses Browning, father of several modern firearms.

The pistol was designed to comply with the requirements of the U.S. Army, which, during its campaign against the Moros in Philippines, had seen its trusty .38 revolver to be incapable of stopping attackers. An Ordnance Board headed by Col. John T. Thomson (inventor of the Thomson sub-machine-gun) and Col. Louis A. La Garde, had reached the conclusion that the army needed a .45" caliber cartridge, to provide adequate stopping power. In the mean time, J. Browning who was working for Colt, had already designed an autoloader pistol, around a cartridge similar to contemporary .38 Super (dimension-wise). When the Army announced its interest in a new handgun, Browning re-engineered this handgun to accommodate a .45" diameter cartridge of his own design (with a 230 gr. FMJ bullet), and submitted the pistol to the Army for evaluation.

In the selection process, which started at 1906 with firearms submitted by Colt, Luger, Savage, Knoble, Bergmann, White-Merrill and Smith & Wesson, Browning's design was selected, together with the Savage design in 1907. However, the U.S. Army pressed for some service tests, which revealed that neither pistol (Colt's or Savage's) had reached the desired perfection. The Ordnance Department instituted a series of further tests and experiments, which eventually resulted in the appointment of a selection committee, in 1911.

Browning was determined to prove the superiority of his handgun, so he went to Hartford to personally supervise the production of the gun. There he met Fred Moore, a young Colt employee with whom he worked in close cooperation trying to make sure that each part that was produced for the test guns was simply the best possible. The guns produced were submitted again for evaluation, to the committee. A torture test was conducted, on March 3rd, 1911. The test consisted of having each gun fire 6000 rounds. One hundred shots would be fired and the pistol would be allowed to cool for 5 minutes. After every 1000 rounds, the pistol would be cleaned and oiled. After firing those 6000 rounds, the pistol would be tested with deformed cartridges, some seated too deeply, some not seated enough, etc. The gun would then be rusted in acid or submerged in sand and mud and some more tests would then be conducted.

Browning's pistols passed the whole test series with flying colors. It was the first firearm to undergo such a test, firing continuously 6000 cartridges, a record broken only in 1917 when Browning's recoil-operated machine gun fired a 40000 rounds test."

http://www.m1911.org/history.htm

some info on the beretta, and comments from soldiers can be found here: http://www.dtic.mil/soldiers/sep95/p18.html
16 posted on 07/31/2002 12:11:59 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: blau993
As an Army officer, quailfied on both, I agree with Mr. Hackworth!!!
17 posted on 07/31/2002 12:12:28 PM PDT by CPT Clay
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To: blau993
"If Iraq came across the Jordan River ... I would grab a rifle and get in the trench and fight and die," Clinton pledged.

...Any chance of outfittin' Beelzebubba with one of them 9-mm Berettas?

18 posted on 07/31/2002 12:13:18 PM PDT by meandog
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To: harpseal
I note that it is possible for any member of any service to volunteer for BUD/S.

Is it really? I've often wondered that, but no one ever had a straight answer if it was true.

19 posted on 07/31/2002 12:13:37 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater
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To: danneskjold
I've got a Glock 9mm -- should I buy the .22 conversion kit for it and get a real gun? I've read good articles about the 1911 .45.
20 posted on 07/31/2002 12:17:12 PM PDT by ReaganIsRight
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To: housethatruthbuilt
I can not tell you any one best gun for you but I can tell you that trying a number of different .45's makes a whole lot of sense. I have friends who purchased argentine .45's that are copys of the model 1911A1 and they are totally happy with them. I have several model 1911's that I love but what I carry these days is an EAA witness tactical. It has an electroless nickle finish that is unscratchable without a diamond abrasive. It is ported. It has a ten round magazine and a 3.5# single action trigger pull. The safety on this DA/SA opiece is like that on a 1911 permitting carry either with hammer down chambered round for a DA first shot or cocked and locked carry. It is my pocket pistol instead of a PPK .380.

The Sig P220 is exellent. For 1911's Kimber, Wilson and Les Baer have some exellent executions of the design. The Mauser M2 is a convenient pocket pistol with eight rounds of .45acp. There are also some South African versions of the 1911 that are exellent.

I hope this helps.

Stay well - stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

21 posted on 07/31/2002 12:17:19 PM PDT by harpseal
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To: Future Snake Eater
I am not sure of what chits are needed but I do know that BUD/S has had people from the Army, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard along with Navy Saiilors. I do not know what the success rate is for those who are not sailors on entry to BUD/S.

I would suggest contacting Naval Spec Warfare in San Diego for info.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay Armed

22 posted on 07/31/2002 12:23:06 PM PDT by harpseal
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To: blau993
"To make matters worse, the 9 mm round is like firing paint balls. I had to pump four rounds into an al-Qaida who was coming at me before he dropped. We're dealing with fanatical crazies out here who won't quit until they die for Allah."

Nothing says " Whoooa Dere Stranger " Like a Chunk of 45. It IS a classic weapon .. works work in close combat.
23 posted on 07/31/2002 12:24:57 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: harpseal
I took an S&W .357 magnum with target trigger, hammer and grips with me on my first tour in Vietnam in 1965. Only weapon I carried for 8 months at Phu Bai, used it twice, worked fine. Sold it to an MP in Saigon when I left for twice what I paid for it in the states. All in all a profitable experience and a good weapon.
24 posted on 07/31/2002 12:25:43 PM PDT by harrym
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To: NormsRevenge
urr .. work=well
25 posted on 07/31/2002 12:28:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: harrym
Clearly the .357 magnum is an exellent sidearm.

In the 1950's and 1960's some frogs carried Browning Hi-Powers because of the large capacity magazines. Other frog's have at times carried other large capacity 9mm's on certain ops. I note that the average VC was not a religous fanatic chewing Kaht.

Stay well - stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown

26 posted on 07/31/2002 12:29:35 PM PDT by harpseal
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To: blau993
For a military rifle that is engaging the enemy at, hopefully, it's outer ranges, only hits count. That's why I don't mind having a .223 battle rifle although .243 would be ideal.
When it comes to close combat when a pistol is used, the enemy has to die immediately, now, that mili-second. As long as the military is forced to use jacketed Hardball, the .45 is the only way to go. That fact has been understood by the real experts for over 90 years and it seems like every generation has to learn it over and over.
Other than NATO, what may have retired the .45 was the silly urban legends about it's "massive recoil" and the old "hit him in the arm and take his arm off" stories.
27 posted on 07/31/2002 12:30:27 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: housethatruthbuilt
I would be remiss if I did not also mention that both Glock and Smith & Wesson produce accurate reliable .45's.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

28 posted on 07/31/2002 12:36:01 PM PDT by harpseal
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To: harpseal
Each warrior should have two sidearms after his rifle:

a Glock .45 and
a Desert Eagle.

Then they can play pinball with the "wild -eyed" crazies.

29 posted on 07/31/2002 12:39:07 PM PDT by Gargantua
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To: blau993
Sorry. I have to put a disclaimer on my last post.
I never heard a shot in anger.
When I mentioned combat, the "facts" I mentioned are only my opinion.

I'm still a believer in carrying the biggest thing I can shoot. At this second, it's a 1911 .45 because all the bells and whistles are right there and the sights and trigger are perfect.
30 posted on 07/31/2002 12:39:09 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: meandog
Give him a Model 1911 instead. He'll probably point it backwards, and, when he does, we want that hole to be a big one.
31 posted on 07/31/2002 12:43:55 PM PDT by blau993
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To: harpseal
My "personal protection" choice is a Ruger Police Service Six .357 Magnum firing Plus-P Hydroshock fragged hollow-points. No double-tap required, baby... just one'll do fine.
32 posted on 07/31/2002 12:43:58 PM PDT by Gargantua
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To: jjm2111
I'm no expert, but personally, if I had to be confronting enemy soldiers, I would rather have my glock .45 or 1911 .45 than the beretta any day.

Not wanting to flame the caliber wars any more than they already are, but I'm with you on this one. I've fired both guns and both calibers, and if the s**t hit the fan, give me a .45 anytime.

I'll take knockdown power any day of the week. And I've fired the .45 often enough (25+ years now) to put it where it will do sufficient damage to put down the bad guy.

33 posted on 07/31/2002 12:44:17 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: Shooter 2.5
Other than NATO, what may have retired the .45 was the silly urban legends about it's "massive recoil" and the old "hit him in the arm and take his arm off" stories.

You rae most likely correct. The .45 acp was used in two World Wars Korea and Vietnam. It got its reputation as a reliable stopper on the battlefield. It got its reputation for overkill among those who only fired it in a range. The 1911a1 is an accuate reliable sidearm and the .45acp is probaly the best defensive pistol round ever designed.

Stay well - stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

34 posted on 07/31/2002 12:44:27 PM PDT by harpseal
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To: Gargantua
The late Mrs. harpseal carried a 4 inch barreled .357 magnum in her purse. It was loaded with Remmington hollow points. It is a very effective one shot stopper.

Unfortunately the regular armed forces are restricted to ball ammunition and can not take advantage of hollow points. This fact mandates they be given a .45 acp service pistol, IMHO.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - yorktown

35 posted on 07/31/2002 12:48:42 PM PDT by harpseal
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To: Gargantua
The late Mrs. harpseal carried a 4 inch barreled .357 magnum in her purse. It was loaded with Remmington hollow points. It is a very effective one shot stopper.

Unfortunately the regular armed forces are restricted to ball ammunition and can not take advantage of hollow points. This fact mandates they be given a .45 acp service pistol, IMHO.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - yorktown

36 posted on 07/31/2002 12:48:43 PM PDT by harpseal
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To: nevergore
Did you miss the little part about jamming?

That could be a side effect of the Nine: even my Hi-Power hates anything but ball ammo; but I doubt many of the troops are carting around their own store bought specialty rounds.

Nines suck for lot's of reasons. Their original intent was merely to wound because european armies were expected to remove their wounded from the field and that took lots of resources.
37 posted on 07/31/2002 12:48:50 PM PDT by norton
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To: harpseal
Statistically the 9mm with a good hollowpoint can be an effective stopper. However, if one is limited to ball ammunition (round nose full metal jacket) one is much better armed with a .45acp than any other round. I fired a ten shot group from my .45 acp last night and I could fit both hands through the one ragged hole.

This is not to say I advocate ball for carry in a .45acp. I most strongly reccommend hollowpoints as they are less likely to overpenetrate. Overpentration is not so severe a concern in a military situation as it is for a self-defense situation.

Doesn't some military convention or other prohibit the use of hollowpoints in combat? If so, the effectiveness of 9mm HP is irrelevant to our troops (though not, of course, for us civilians defending ourselves & our families). Thus, the old standby - 230 gr. .45 hardball - seems to be called for once again.

Funny, ain't it - the morons who chose the 9mm for our guys 20 years ago seemed to think that the human body has changed since the early 1900's, when it was proven that .38-sized rounds were insufficient to reliably and quickly stop a determined attacker. That's why we had the .45 in the first place. I could have seen changing pistols to a more modern design (though there's not much wrong with the 1911), but not the caliber. I can see us going back to .45 someday - and hopefully not too long from now.

38 posted on 07/31/2002 12:49:54 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; Joe Brower; sneakypete; Noumenon; Jefferson Adams; Dukie; Jeff Head; ...
Ping
39 posted on 07/31/2002 12:51:31 PM PDT by harpseal
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To: meandog
I would grab a rifle and get in the trench and fight and die," Clinton pledged.

If anything this silly should happen, you can bet the wound would enter his back, not his front.

Never, EVER trust a draft dodger!

40 posted on 07/31/2002 12:51:43 PM PDT by Don Carlos
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To: Euro-American Scum
I personally don't go for the caliber flame wars. SOME people are two small to handle the recoil of the .45. Some people just don't like the way the caliber handles. Me I get along w/ both just fine. I feel shoot the biggest you can control.
41 posted on 07/31/2002 12:51:50 PM PDT by jjm2111
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To: harpseal
One of the stories I read was about a soldier in WW1 who experienced true "knockdown power" with a luger.
He had found a dead German officer and removed his gunbelt. When he did so, another German jumped and startled him. He swung the gun belt and hit the soldier upside the head, knocking him out.
42 posted on 07/31/2002 12:53:36 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: jackliberty
As far as standardizing with NATO, screw it. These are American, not French, troops we're talking about.

Just about all the elite troops in NATO, except for the Fr*nch, who don't have any elite, have access to some form of .45ACP handgun or another. They know what works best.

Most handguns issued in the military are either a badge of rank, or something that is only used as a last-ditch defensive weapon. Most 9mms will never be fired in combat. Rangers, SEALS, SF, etc. go looking for trouble, and know the .45 gives them the best chance of coming back.

Not every .45 is right for everyone, but there are so many fine handguns in .45 out there that at least one has got to be right. For me, the Glock in .45 is more comfortable and shoots better than a M1911 type. The slicked-up Kimbers, etc, are works of art, and I might buy one for target shooting. For serious work, the Glock is all I need. Your mileage may vary.

While we're talking close-up killing, what's the status on shotguns? .45 is fine, but nothing beats #4 buckshot from a 12GA. I'd rather have one guy with a Mossberg back me up than two with even the elegant MP5.

Issue the Berettas to female MPs, and give everyone else a modern .45.

43 posted on 07/31/2002 12:55:02 PM PDT by 300winmag
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To: Ancesthntr
There is a Geneva Convention that limits the use of fragmenting ammunition in rifles and pistols. I am unsure of the exact protocol. Thus our troops are restricted to using ball ammunition. I for one would be very happy to see the US military adopt a new .45acp design or re-adopt the model 1911A1 for its standard sidearm.

Stay well - Stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown

44 posted on 07/31/2002 12:55:18 PM PDT by harpseal
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To: Gargantua
Oddly enough,
Me too,
and
I'm a 1911/.45 freak.
But
when I grab something to take along,
it's that old, cheap, heavy barrel, Ruger
45 posted on 07/31/2002 12:56:12 PM PDT by norton
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To: blau993
"be following in the footsteps of a legend? "

True enough,it's been said a 9mm is a .45 set on stun!

If you gotta have one and only one handgun,let it be the .45acp.

Granted, it might not feel right in effeminate hands,and another possible reason for the switch, it is the best.

Once saw a picture of an obese fellow shot 32 times with 9mm before being neutralized.

Check HERE

46 posted on 07/31/2002 12:59:07 PM PDT by invenire
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To: harpseal
I've heard firearms referred to as the simplest for of internal combustion engine, with the bullet acting as the piston. Just like engines, "there is no replacement for displacement".

When limited by rules of engagement to hardball ammo only, this rule is especially true.

I've also heard it said, and I agree with it, that "a 9mm is a .45 set on stun".


47 posted on 07/31/2002 1:00:21 PM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: Joe Brower
I always liked the following description of 9mm.

Three eighty long.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

48 posted on 07/31/2002 1:02:25 PM PDT by harpseal
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To: jjm2111
"SOME people are two small to handle the recoil of the .45. Some people just don't like the way the caliber handles.

Urban legend. I instructed some Boy Scouts a couple of weeks ago and the average age was thirteen. With full house loads they were only getting a two inch muzzle flip and hitting or coming darn close. There was only one boy that was having trouble and I noticed he didn't listen to a thing I said.

49 posted on 07/31/2002 1:02:28 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: jjm2111
I have used the 45 in combat, and during my one opportunity for glory during an up close and personal event, the weapon jammed by closing on an ejecting brass shell casing and functioned no more. (I didn't "notice" it had stopped going off, and proceeded to get myself laced with 29 holes until someone with a real gun showed up to save me!)

I do agree that the pistol has more impact than one of those pretty pistols like the walther, barreta, etc. but it is easy to jam up, especially when the spring in the magazine clip is weakened my constant compression as you carry it in the feild.

Besides which, you can't hit a damn thing with it unless you are really expert and constantly on the range, and no one in combat has the itme for that stuff.

The opportunities to use a pistol in combat are very few. When it gets that "close" you are already is serious doodoo one way or another.

So, if I had it to do over again (and I wouldn't go there knowing what I know about that stuff!) I would carry a revolver. You really only need a shot or two when you need to pop your sidearm, and the revolver is easier to maintain and much easier to shoot accurately.

I think a new "US ARMY 45 cal revolver" would be just about right about 90% of the time.
50 posted on 07/31/2002 1:02:30 PM PDT by RISU
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