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Fires burning on more than 438,000 acres across Oregon
Oregon Live/AP ^ | 8/3/02 1:59 AM | AP Staff

Posted on 08/03/2002 7:09:17 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Fires burning on more than 438,000 acres across Oregon

The Associated Press

Major wildfires have burned and are burning on more than 438,000 acres in Oregon on Friday. About 12,000 firefighters are working in the state. The Northwest Interagency Communication Center is tracking at least nine major fires in Oregon. Top priorities for fire officials were the 150,000-acre Florence fire, the 17,000-acre Timbered Rock fire, the 38,000-acre Sour Biscuit Fire, and the 26,850-acre Tiller Complex.

LUCKY FIRE

Started: 7/29/02, 10 p.m. six miles south of Detroit.

Size:87 acres

Containment: 70 percent

Evacuations: None.

Damages: None yet. In heavy timber.

On scene: 168 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning

CACHE MOUNTAIN:

Started: 7/24/02, 15 miles northwest of Sisters, Oregon

Size: 4,200 acres.

Containment: 95 percent.

Evacuations: None at this time.

Damage: Two homes destroyed.

On scene: about 1,179 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning.

TOOLBOX FIRE

Started: in Lake County 07/12/02

Size: 86,794 acres

Containment: 75 percent

Evacuations: None at this time.

Damage: None reported.

On scene: 1,768

Cause: Lightning.

MALHEUR-FLAGTAIL COMPLEX

Started: 8-25 miles from Prairie City, 07/12/02.

Size: 86,794 acres.

Containment: 75 percent.

Evacuations: No evacuation as of August 1.

Damage: None.

On scene: 1,768 firefighters

Cause: Lightning

TILLER COMPLEX

Started: Outside Tiller, east of Canyonville off Interstate 5, 07/12/02.

Size: 26,850 acres.

Containment: 25 percent

Evacuations: South Umpqua Road closed at milepost 6. Fifteen residence threatened. Tribal ceremonial grounds and critical cultural resources are threatened.

Damage: No listed damage.

On scene: 1,051 firefighters

Cause: Lightning.

MONUMENT FIRE

Started: 9 miles southwest of Unity, 07/12/02

Size: 24,378 acres

Containment: 75 percent.

Evacuations: None at this time.

Damage:None.

On Scene: 1,154 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning.

FLORENCE FIRE

Started: 26 miles west of Grant Pass, 07/13/02.

Size: 150,000 acres.

Containment: 5 percent.

Evacuations: The entire Illinois Valley on notice to evacuate.

Damage: 3 residences and 8 outbuildings.

On scene: 1,546 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning.

SOUR BISCUIT FIRE

Started: 17 miles southwest of Cave Junction

Size: 33,287 acres.

Containment: 0 percent containment

Evacuations: None yet.

Damage: no

On scene: 436.

Cause: lightning

TIMBERED ROCK FIRE

Started: Unknown. 20 miles north of Medford.

Size: 16,925 acres

Containment: 20 percent

Evacuations: Elk Creek Road is closed except to fire vehicles. Evacuation area for all addresses along Elk Creek Road, 143 homes, is still in effect. No homes were immediately threatened by yesterday's fire activity and no homes have been lost. August 1.

Damage: None

On Scene: 1,163 firefighters

Cause: lightning

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Source: The Northwest Interagency Coordination Center


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This will get the thread started. More on the Illinois Valley fires, and that will be posted below.
1 posted on 08/03/2002 7:09:17 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Morning Grampa - Just rolled out of the sack. Hoping for favorable conditions today.
2 posted on 08/03/2002 7:13:02 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: AuntB; wanderin; Granof8; EBUCK; blackie; dixiechick2000; bybybill; Species8472; RightWhale; ...
Good Morning!

This will get us started today.

Again those of you who are around the fire please post what you hear and see.
3 posted on 08/03/2002 7:13:27 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
The first weather report looks good. Hopefully, there will not be any massive lightening storms.

How are you doing?
4 posted on 08/03/2002 7:14:17 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: madfly; brityank; farmfriend; backhoe; WaterDragon; Ernest_at_the_Beach
This is the thread for today re the Oregon fires.

If you post an enviral thread today, please link this thread in your reply section, and then come to this thread to provide link to your thread.

That way we can link all of this together, as it is linked together.

Thanks
Dave
5 posted on 08/03/2002 7:17:33 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: BOBTHENAILER; CedarDave; AAABEST; Tailgunner Joe
Good morning!

This is today's thread on the Oregon fires, FYI.

If you post a thread that deals with the enviralist scum bags today, regardless of the subject, please link this thread in your thread. Then come to this thread to provide a link to your enviral thread.

That way we can link all of the various attacks the enviro terrorists are doing to us and planning to do to us.

Thanks, Dave.
6 posted on 08/03/2002 7:20:46 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Last night's reports -

Florence Fire
Status: 188,000 acres Start: July 13, 2002 Cause: Lightning
Location: Five miles west of Selma, Ore., on the Siskiyou National Forest within the Kalmiopsis Wilderness.
Percent Contained: 5 Cost to date: $8.5 million Fire Line to Build: 61 miles
Structures Lost: 3 residences and 8 outbuildings
Personnel: 1,753 Injuries: None Expected Containment: Unknown
Today’s Resources: Eleven helicopters (four Type 1, five Type 2 and two Type 3), 53 handcrews (seven Type 1 and 46 Type 2), 62 engines, 26 water tenders, 35 dozers. In addition, structural task forces from many Oregon cities and counties are providing fire protection to residences within the fire area and along Highway 199.
At Risk: Portions of Cave Junction, Kerby, Agness, Gardner Ranch and Selma; private residences in the Oak Flat area in Josephine County and McCaleb Ranch; private inholdings east of McCaleb Ranch; Late Successional Reserve; Illinois and Rogue National Wild and Scenic River, and campgrounds.
Closures: Galice and Illinois Valley ranger districts on the Siskiyou National Forest west of State Highway 199 are closed to all public access due to extreme fire conditions. The Bear Camp road #2300 is exempt from this closure.
Cooperating Agencies: Oregon Department of Forestry, Oregon National Guard, Illinois Valley Fire District, Oregon State Police, Josephine County Sheriff’s Dept, American Red Cross, Oregon State Fire Marshal’s Office, U.S. Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, Josephine County Emergency Operations Center, City of Cave Junction, and Coos Forest Protective Association.

What’s New: Burnout operations between Selma and Kerby today, west of Highway 199, proceeded as planned. Columns of smoke were visible throughout the Illinois Valley, and some torching of trees was seen from the highway between Selma and Kerby. Light ashfall occurred in Cave Junction. All established fire lines held today, in the burnout area and elsewhere, and progress was good. Structural protection engines continue to be in place in Selma and Kerby as a precaution following today’s burnout operations.

Elsewhere on the fire, where fire lines have not yet been established, the west flank of the Florence Fire spread to within four miles of Game Lake. The fire’s north flank reached Silver Peak, and has moved to within four miles of Agness. On the east flank, the fire is now approximately seven miles from Selma and Cave Junction. The fire’s south flank has reached Chetco Peak.

Telephone traffic, landline and cellular, in the Illinois Valley is exceptionally heavy, causing problems for essential emergency management services. To relieve this problem, residents are asked to reduce the number of phone calls they make during this time.

A new incident management team took control of the west side of the Florence Fire at 6:00 p.m. today. This team is based in Gold Beach.

There will be a public meeting Saturday, August 3, 7:00 p.m., at the Illinois Valley High School, 625 E River, Cave Junction.

The entire Illinois River Valley remains under an evacuation advisory. The communities of Agness, Gold Beach, and Brookings are not currently at imminent risk. An American Red Cross Emergency Evacuation Center is open at South Middle School, 350 West Harbeck Road, Grants Pass. To call the evacuation center at South Middle School, the number is 471-7822.

Pacific Northwest National Incident Management Team 2
Mike Lohrey, Incident Commander

Sour Biscuit Fire
What: Lightning Caused Wildfire
Started: July 13, 2002

General Location: 17 miles southwest of Cave Junction, OR
Current Size: Oregon (Zone 1): 18,337 Acres, California (Zone 2): 21,745 Acres
Total Acreage: 40,082 Acres Lat: 42 Deg. 2’ 17” Long: 123 Deg. 56’ 33”
Containment: 12% Expected Containment Date: Unknown

Resources Threatened: Kalmiopsis Wilderness, Smith River National Wild and Scenic River, Port Orford Cedar and Arabis MacDonaldiana plant species.

Structures Threatened: 1 residence, 2 outbuildings

Injuries: 0 today, 2 total for incident

Jurisdictions: Zone 1 - USDA-Forest Service, Region 6, Siskiyou National Forest
Zone 2 - USDA-Forest Service, Region 5, Six Rivers National Forest

Other Cooperating Agencies: Oregon Dept. of Forestry, Bureau of Land Management, National Park Service, Bureau of Indian Affairs, County Rural Fire Protection Districts, Emergency Operations Center.

Road Closures: Highway 199 is closed from the Oregon/California border to Hiouchi, CA due to the Shelley Creek Fire northeast of Gasquet, CA. All Siskiyou N. F. roads west of Highway 199 leading into Zone 1 are closed to public use. All Siskiyou N. F. roads and campgrounds east of Highway 199 are open to public use. Open fires are prohibited.

Todays’ Remarks: The responsibility of the Sour Biscuit Fire has been divided. The Broyles Type 2 Interagency Incident Management Team (IMT) is assigned to Zone 1. The Bennett Type 1 IMT is assigned to Zone 2.

Fire growth occurred in the head of Diamond Creek with limited spread elsewhere yesterday. Twelve 20-person hand crews, twelve engines, ten dozers, seven water tenders, three medium and one light helicopter continued constructing fire-line on the east side of Zone 1. The line is being constructed to the north to connect with a fire-line coming south from the Florence Fire. The two fires are less than two miles apart. Four 20-person hand crews from Sour Biscuit are temporarily assigned to the Florence Fire. Residents in the Illinois Valley are under a 24-hour evacuation advisory with a 30-minute notice to evacuate.

Resources on the fire: One Type 1 Crew, Fifteen Type 2 Crews, Twelve Engines, Ten Dozers, Seven Water Tenders, Three Medium Helicopters, One Light Helicopter.
507 people.
7 posted on 08/03/2002 7:20:59 AM PDT by Granof8
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To: All
Here is the latest from Oregon Live, this morning:

Planned backburn spooks some residents

By GILLIAN FLACCUS
The Associated Press
8/3/02 2:58 AM


SELMA, Ore. (AP) -- Flames and smoke erupting from a planned burnout between a containment line and the highway made residents here wary despite assurances from the U.S. Forest Service that the blaze was well under control.

Firefighters continued using drip torches and flare pistols Friday to burn up the one- to two-mile strip of brush and timber to make it harder for the 150,000-acre Florence Fire to spread.

A dense cloud of black-and-purple smoke roiled over the Illinois Valley like an angry bruise and ridges of flame and gray smoke from the burnout were visible from the highway.

"What I'm seeing and what I'm hearing are two different things," said Shari Anderson as she watched the inferno behind Eight Dollar Mountain from her front yard. "It's scary."

Fire officials said the situation might turn the corner within the next two days, particularly if cooler and wetter weather arrived as predicted.

"On our present course, over the next 48 hours we may be in a position to say we have significantly reduced the threat to the Illinois Valley corridor," said Mike Lohrey, the incident commander of the elite Forest Service team managing the eastern flank of the fire in southwestern Oregon.

In all, more than 438,000 acres were burning across Oregon, but more than 200,000 of those acres were in the Sour Biscuit and Florence fires, burning within a couple miles of each other on the Siskiyou National Forest.

With confidence improving on the eastern flank, a new management team and 1,200 firefighters and support crews were preparing to battle the western flank, setting up camp at the Curry County County Fairgrounds in Gold Beach.

The burnout -- which removes brush and other fuels that could feed the wildfire -- was cause for smiles in fire camp, where commanders told crew bosses that everything was going as planned.

In some places, the burnout created its own wind as it spread up a narrow ravine that acted as a chimney, drawing the heat and flames along. Sounds like gunshots came from rocks and trees cracking in the intense heat. Some trees that were merely scorched took on a gray cast, their needles frozen as if the fire-driven wind were still blowing.

Weather was forecast to continue cool and humid through the weekend, with gentle winds and a possibility of rain late Sunday.

Though four of the seven structural firefighting task forces called in by the governor were released because of the diminishing threat to homes, resources to fight the wildfire raging in the forest continued to pour in, including 100 elite firefighters from Canada and fire managers from Australia and New Zealand.

Here are some of the other major wildfires burning in Oregon:

----Cache Mountain fire, burning on 4,200 acres 15 miles northwest of Sisters, 95 percent contained.

----Toolbox Fire, burning on nearly 87,000 acres in Lake County, 75 percent contained.

----Malheur-Flagtail complex, 26,700 acres near Prairie City, 90 percent contained.

----Tiller Complex, 26,400 acres east of Canyonville, 25 percent contained.

----Timbered Rock Fire, 16,925 acres 20 miles north of Medford, 20 percent contained.


8 posted on 08/03/2002 7:25:40 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Looks like some containment is occuring on Sour Biscuit. Air quality in the basin is lowest in history.

Biscuit & Lake Slemac (Florence) The camps are nothing like the Winter fire camps. More support units, more media & much larger.

9 posted on 08/03/2002 7:26:22 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: Grampa Dave
Too bad you live way over on the Left Coast, I'd love to see you show up here , chainsaw in hand.
10 posted on 08/03/2002 7:33:34 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: Granof8
Thanks for your timely feedback:

A couple of days ago, I posted that I was concerned about the West and North ends of this fire. This is from your report, and it appears that those concerns were valid:

Elsewhere on the fire, where fire lines have not yet been established, the west flank of the Florence Fire spread to within four miles of Game Lake. The fire’s north flank reached Silver Peak, and has moved to within four miles of Agness. On the east flank, the fire is now approximately seven miles from Selma and Cave Junction. The fire’s south flank has reached Chetco Peak.

A new incident management team took control of the west side of the Florence Fire at 6:00 p.m. today. This team is based in Gold Beach.

It appears that if Mother Nature doesn't help with some massive rain. This fire will be heading West and North and to the Southwest.

Again a lot of this area is in the Druid Cathedral Wilderness Area where there are no roads, no timber or brush management for a decade, and where the enviral whackos will still keep fire fighters out.

So we could see a replay of what is happening on the East and SE side of the fire on the West, North and SW side.

The purposely miss named Florence Fire is now up to 188,000 acres versus the 150,000 in the report at the top of this thread. Probably most of this increased 38,000 is to the West, North and SW side of the wrongly named Florence Fire.

11 posted on 08/03/2002 7:34:52 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: AAABEST; All
Thanks for the offer, but our chainsaws are needed out here on the West Coast.

Good Freepers, here is the thread that AAA was mentioning. A big battle against the Enviral Eco Fascists is starting in Floriduh.

Here is the link. Please take a few minutes to go to this thread and bookmark it. It is a critial movement in our efforts to get our country back from these land grabbing and rural cleansing Enviral Eco Fascists from Coast to Coast: (What could be the biggest battle for property rights this country has ever seen. )

12 posted on 08/03/2002 7:39:56 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
They are trying to corrall the outdoorsmen in the everglades too. In certain areas they've limited them to only a couple of areas to launch evil airboats. Because of the increased traffic in certain areas, recreators have created wear & tear. the enviros then show the pictures all over the local news. The golfers & beach goers in Dade/Broward/Palm beach county get upset as they see their beloved everglades cathedral trampled & vote for more restrictions.

Friends in Florida are under assault too.

13 posted on 08/03/2002 7:44:48 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
The Sour Biscuit acreage that has burned or is burning has really jumped this week.

I have a real hard time believing anything that comes from the Federali Pink Panty Wearing Florists in Kali trying to act like real Smokey Bears. They are all professional liars, phoneys and enviral agenda pushers.

Maybe, now they will have to start updating what is really happening in the Kali end of this fire.
14 posted on 08/03/2002 7:46:11 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Any idea on how many members of the Sierra Club, Nature Conservancy, and other tree-hugging organizations are out there on the front lines helping to defend their precious trees against this holocaust? My rough guess, from out here in east Tennessee, would be approximately ZERO. Is that figure in the ball park?



15 posted on 08/03/2002 7:48:17 AM PDT by who knows what evil?
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
Our friends and fellow innocent Americans in Floriduh are under continual attack from the lying, bad science and anti American agenda pushing Enviral Fascists just like us on the West Coast.

These scumbag Enviral Fascists are working 24/7 to rurally cleanse every American from the country areas from coast to coast.

It is time for all Americans to wake up to the end goal of these New Nazi Eco Fascists. They don't want any of us in rural areas at anytime.

They declared war on us about 20 years ago. It is time we declare war on them. They are far more dangerous to our lives, our freedom and our safety than the al Qaeda thugs/terrorists. The New Nazi Eco Fascists have more power than our elected congressmen have, and they were never voted on re having this power.
16 posted on 08/03/2002 7:52:13 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Good morning Dave...

I'm off to the grocery store...

It's just a little hazy here in the South end of the Willamette Valley...
17 posted on 08/03/2002 7:53:17 AM PDT by blackie
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To: who knows what evil?
Those people don't have the courage to get dirty and put their lives on the line. The only time they get near fire is when these spineless punks are setting fire to large homes in the suburbs and auto sales businesses. Then they run.

Plus they don't want to have to interact with someone who hunts and eats meat.

18 posted on 08/03/2002 7:54:30 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: who knows what evil?
I'm sure the answer is zero.

These elitist Eco Fascists don't really care about the forests. That is why they have set them up with their roadless agendas and no timber or brush removal to make them into an uncontrollable fire waiting to happen.

Each fire means more lumber and forest products have to come from their corporate donors who own vast tree farms, lumber mills and forest product companies.

Also, each uncontrolled fire is the ultimate Rural Cleansing Tool to get rid of us who dare to live the country. Either we get burned out, flooded out when the winter rains come after the burns, or our insurance companies cancel our home owners policies. Then we have to sell cheap to TNC or some other conservancy. Then a few years later they sell the property to the federal government for a nice profit.
19 posted on 08/03/2002 7:57:13 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: blackie; Archie Bunker on steroids
Stay safe.

Ask Archie about the air quality in the Klamath Basin, thanks to these out of control Enviral engineered fires.
20 posted on 08/03/2002 7:58:41 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Gramps, the air quality hasn't been this bad since about 20 years ago during an inversion/heavy woodstove burning period. That event preceded me, so i can't compare. Open the windows here & the house smells like someone has a campfire going in the living room. We are 100 miles away.
21 posted on 08/03/2002 8:07:44 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: All
Freeperette Wanderin has some great photos of the al Qaeda Tree Hugger's big burn.

Go to this link and click into some of her timely and interesting pictures: (Wanderin's New Photo's of the Fire or al Qaeda Tree Hugger's big burn.)

Here is a great example:

Thanks for sharing your talents with us, Wanderin!

22 posted on 08/03/2002 8:13:57 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
They declared war on us about 20 years ago. It is time we declare war on them. They are far more dangerous to our lives, our freedom and our safety than the al Qaeda thugs/terrorists. The New Nazi Eco Fascists have more power than our elected congressmen have, and they were never voted on re having this power.

NGO's...gotta love 'em. I've been following these eco-fascist threads for a long time, and my anger keeps rising. You are dead right...it is TIME to declare war on these people. The country was outraged by '9/11', and they should be JUST AS outraged about these fires, IMHO. I haven't seen any figures regarding the collective monentary losses resulting from these horrific fires over the past few years, but I would speculate that it may well exceed that caused by Atta and his cowardly comrades on September 11th. Consider the timber destroyed, the homes lost, the lives displaced...for some reason, these fires have not outraged the American community as much as the terrorist act in NYC and Washington, but that needs to change. These eco-fascists are just as diseased as the members of Hamas and Al'Queda...terrorists all. Most of us have seen the "wanted poster" of the nineteen scumbags involved in the terrorist acts of September 11th...we need to do something similar with the eco-fascists: a "wanted poster" with the names AND photos of those responsible for the policies that have led to the destruction of the American west and southwest by fire. These people need to be exposed...the people whose lives have been disrupted or destroyed by these fires need to have names and photos they can focus on, so they can see the face of the enemy. Who is the head of the Sierra Club? Let's see his face. We know the names of the organizations involved in the eco-fascist movement...let's get the names, pictures, and e-mails of those prominent in these organizations so those who lives have been destroyed may confront them. Civil suits against organizations and individuals? Other ideas? Feedback? Grandpa Dave is right...we are at war with the terrorists responsible for September 11th, and it is HIGH TIME we go to war with the eco-fascists that are burning our country down to the ground right before our very eyes.



23 posted on 08/03/2002 8:19:23 AM PDT by who knows what evil?
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To: AuntB; madfly; brityank; Ernest_at_the_Beach; farmfriend; WaterDragon; BOBTHENAILER; AAABEST; ...
If you did not read Aunt B's thread about the most incredible interview ever heard on radio (that dealt with the Pink Panty Wearing Florist Maggots in the US Forestry Service interferring with this fire) please go to to it and read it.

I heard this interview, yesterday, and I had to turn off the computer and leave. I was afraid that if I stay, I would really get mad. Then I would have gone and charted a flight to Medford, rent a SUV and went out to find these Clintoonian Pink Panty Wearing Florist Maggots pretending to be fire fighters. Then I would have been in an Oregon jail this morning.

Please go to it and bookmark it: ("I'M ASHAMED OF THIS" Interview with a 'copter Wildfire Fighter. The Lars Larson Show | 8/02/02 | AuntB)

24 posted on 08/03/2002 8:28:36 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Stand Watch Listen; freefly; expose; ...
ping
25 posted on 08/03/2002 8:30:59 AM PDT by madfly
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To: who knows what evil?; EBUCK
Are you familiar with Ebuck's new sticker to stick this fire season into the faces of these envirals?

You might want to order a few and spread the word.

Ebuck, please post your sticker and how to order them.

This is a simple and low cost way to start putting the pressure on these enviral eco fascists and showing the reality of their agendas.
26 posted on 08/03/2002 8:32:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Sour Biscuit, Timbered Rock and Florence show how dangerous the situation still is, despite the progess made in containment of the other fires.
27 posted on 08/03/2002 8:38:43 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for the ping, Gramps.
I've been so busy this week that I would have missed most of this without your pings.
I listened to Lars yesterday while I was ironing.
It made me so mad I scorched a new pair of capris!
While the Oregon Forest Service is the best in the nation, the US Florist service is nothing but a bunch of thugs...thugs with too much power and no one ounce of common sense!
Thanks, again, for your pings.

PS It looks like a relatively cool week ahead for those in harm's way. That's better than the alternative.;o)

28 posted on 08/03/2002 8:42:40 AM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: dixiechick2000
no=not...doh!
29 posted on 08/03/2002 8:43:28 AM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: who knows what evil?; Registered; nimc; harpo11; EBUCK; AuntB; dixiechick2000; SAMWolf; bybybill; ..
I really like this part of your reply.

Do we have any talented people in Freeper Land who can do something like what "who knows what evil" suggests doing here.

These eco-fascists are just as diseased as the members of Hamas and Al'Queda...terrorists all. Most of us have seen the "wanted poster" of the nineteen scumbags involved in the terrorist acts of September 11th...we need to do something similar with the eco-fascists: a "wanted poster" with the names AND photos of those responsible for the policies that have led to the destruction of the American west and southwest by fire. These people need to be exposed!"

Does any one have any pictures of Andy Kerr with his enviral poster boy governor, Kitznslobber? That would be a great wanted posted in Oregon showing these two enviral criminals on a wanted posted for enabling these fires.

As Archie Bunker calls them, the al Qaeda Tree Huggers.

In fact that might be a good line for the poster: Wanted these al Qaeda Tree Huggers for contributing to uncontrollable forest fires in Oregon!

30 posted on 08/03/2002 8:47:25 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: dixiechick2000; AuntB; Archie Bunker on steroids; EBUCK; blackie
I about set my computer on fire while listening Lars, just from my body heat. If I had been wearing Capris, they would have been scorched.

Fortunately, I had just finished cleaning one of my new Spey Rods and had put it away in its protective case. Other wise I might have used an expensive fly fishing rod to beat the speakers of my computer when I heard what was said.
31 posted on 08/03/2002 8:51:13 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Flames and smoke erupting from a planned burnout between a containment line and the highway made residents here wary despite assurances from the U.S. Forest Service that the blaze was well under control.

i can't imagine why... after all, the guvermint is here to help.



32 posted on 08/03/2002 8:52:27 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: Grampa Dave
"If I had been wearing Capris..."

Now that I'd like to see!
;o)

I'm off now...be back later.

33 posted on 08/03/2002 8:58:45 AM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: Grampa Dave
Grampa,

Haven't read the whole thread or many of the others on these fires, so I don't know if you've seen this yet. Have you seen the fire maps and all of the fire information available on the Internet?

First, you can go to the National Interagency Fire Center. They used to have a link on that home page to the fire maps, but now they don't. The fire maps are located at this website. The one I like that gives a lot of information is the active fire maps link in the middle of the page (clicking it brings up another window to select the region you want to see), but the other links have tons of pictures and maps to see where fires are burning. They are updated daily.

Broadband is very desireable as the maps are huge and very detailed. Here's the latest one for the Western states showing the size of the fires in Oregon. It is a huge file that takes a while to load, even with broadband.....

34 posted on 08/03/2002 8:59:36 AM PDT by SW6906
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To: SW6906
Here's the Oregon/Washington map that has even more detail....
35 posted on 08/03/2002 9:05:49 AM PDT by SW6906
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To: SW6906
Thanks, I have posting the national daily large incident fire map each day and the appropriate NOAA images.

I guess that it is time to do that! Thanks for the nudge and reminder.
36 posted on 08/03/2002 9:06:01 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: madfly
BTTT!!!!!!
37 posted on 08/03/2002 9:09:05 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Grampa Dave
The Oregon map I posted in reply 35 tears at your heart when you see the magnitude of the fires in SW Oregon and how much of it is uncontained (shown as red in the image)......
38 posted on 08/03/2002 9:09:23 AM PDT by SW6906
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To: SW6906; glock rocks; CedarDave; lodwick; All
Thanks, here is today's national fire map. New fires in Utah and other SW states.


39 posted on 08/03/2002 9:09:41 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
KURY radio reports fire teams not on the scene yet, probably be in Gold Beach within the next three days.

National Guard is present to control access on FS roads.

Highway 199 open to controlled traffic.
40 posted on 08/03/2002 9:13:29 AM PDT by Granof8
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To: SW6906; marsh2; forester; All
Here is yesterday evenings NOAA fire maps.

As usual, the Kali Pink Panty Floristry Division of the Forestry service is keep a news lid on the fire that appears to be in the Yreka area and west.

Maybe Marsh2 or Forester can fill us in on the fire and what's happening.
41 posted on 08/03/2002 9:14:32 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
This was written and submitted at 9:39PM last night...thought you might be interested anyway. Winds pick up near SW Oregon fires

From the National Desk
Published 8/2/2002 9:29 PM
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SELMA, Ore., Aug. 2 (UPI) -- A window of opportunity closed on firefighters in southwestern Oregon who had to reluctantly halt their ambitious plans Friday to burn out firebreaks in front of two huge wildfires due to the gradually increasing winds.

The combined size of the Florence and Sour Biscuit fires grew to 210,000 acres Friday as "hotshot" crews suspended their series of burns designed to widen 30 miles of fire lines carved out in the Illinois River Valley all the down to the California state line.

"The inversion layer lifted and got people kind of worried because it threw up a lot of new smoke," Fire Information Officer Tom Valluzzi told United Press International. "It showed us enough energy that we still have some healthy respect for this fire."

The entire population of the valley remained on standby to evacuate Friday, although the order to pack up and leave was still pending. Most of the 17,000 residents were staying put in their homes despite the threat that a hasty evacuation would likely cause a horrendous traffic jam on Highway 199, the sole primary road out of the area.

Around 1,800 firefighters have been cutting fire lines since mid-July between the twin blazes and the highway where the small towns of Cave Junction and Selma are located along with numerous other residences.

Light winds during the past couple of days allowed the hotshots to work around the clock burning out underbrush and dead branches in swaths 100 yards to 200 yards wide that will stop the advance of the main fires by robbing them of fresh fuel.

Valluzzi said the increase in winds was attributed to an approaching front that could bring thundershowers to the region early next week, but the major question was whether or not the storms would bring welcome rain or merely dangerous lightning to the parched forest.

"I don't think they are supposed to be dry storms, but you never know," he said. "We're worried about the lightning associated with them."

The National Weather Service said critical overnight humidity readings in southwest Oregon would be "much greater Saturday night with continued cooling into Monday."

"A disturbance will move east across southern Oregon Monday with a slight chance of very light rain," the NWS said in its afternoon forecast.

Fire weather advisories were posted Friday in northern Oregon, parts of Montana and the Great Basin area of Utah and Nevada where dry winds were expected to push 30 miles per hour by Saturday night.

Meanwhile, weather continued to be largely cooperative in Southern California where a stubborn fire east of San Diego was declared 55 percent contained despite growing to 20,950 acres.

Although the mountain town of Julian was considered to be out of danger, firefighters were becoming increasingly concerned that the flames could burn into the Mount Laguna area and the dry, overgrown Cleveland National Forest where it could take off into a major inferno.

Six campgrounds were evacuated Friday and fire crews deployed along S1, also known as Sunrise Highway, to make a stand during the night.

"They are afraid it will come over the national forest boundaries and into the trees and the brush," Fire Information Officer Matt Mireles told UPI. "There are some really heavy, heavy fuel in there."

(Reported by Hil Anderson in Los Angeles)

42 posted on 08/03/2002 9:18:40 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: SW6906; marsh2; forester; All
Sorry about that.

I have the feeling that John Rob is playing around with the server loading new and exciting stuff.

It took forever to load my last reply and the NOAA image didn't make it.

Lets try it again:


43 posted on 08/03/2002 9:19:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Granof8
I think that the fire management teams are there.

They just don't want to get the public aware that the next side of this miss named Florence Fire will be to the West, the North and SW to the Chetco/Brookings area.
44 posted on 08/03/2002 9:21:47 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: cake_crumb
Thanks, here is the 5 day forecast for the Kalmiopsis Wilderness Area: (Link to 5 day weather forecast of the Kalmiopsis Wilderness Area:)"

This is where the fire is burning and most of it is not controllable due to the lack of roads, no timber or brush removal for over a decade.

When you read Florence Fire, just substitute Kalmiopsis Wilderness Area. That way you will know the reality not the Bravo Sierra Naming of this fire by the Floristry Service Maggots inherited from the Clintoonian years.

45 posted on 08/03/2002 9:33:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: AuntB; wanderin
Auntie or Wanderin, you might want to fill in the recent historical significance of the building in Wanderin's photo of the fire yesterday.

Wanderin, thanks for these great photos. You are becoming our Freeperette photo journalists for this fire.

46 posted on 08/03/2002 9:38:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: dixiechick2000
No you wouldn't want to see That!
47 posted on 08/03/2002 9:39:48 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: All
KATU photo from last evening of the Illinois Valley Fire.


48 posted on 08/03/2002 9:43:06 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Here a picture from KGW:


49 posted on 08/03/2002 9:46:16 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
click thumbnails to enlarge...


Florence fire branch director Richard Nieto, from Albuquerque, N.M., shows on a map of Southwest Oregon's Kalmiopsis Wilderness Area, the newly-designated dividing line for operations of the Florence fire in Agness, Ore., Friday, Aug. 2, 2002. The Florence fire has been divided into east and west operating systems by an 80-mile north-south line all the way to the California border. The Florence and Sour Biscuit fires have burned 200,000 acres since lightning started them two weeks ago. (AP Photo/Don Ryan)
- Aug 02 6:31 PM ET

Danielle Bruner of Grants Pass, Ore., comforts her 2-month-old daughter Camdyn Renee Bruner as a cloud of smoke from a controlled burn fills the air in Kerby, Ore., Friday, Aug. 2, 2002. Fire crews continue fighting the Florence and Sour Biscuit fires in hopes of keeping it away from communities in the Illinois Valley in Southwestern Oregon. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)
- Aug 02 6:24 PM ET

Trinolyn Davis watches a cloud of smoke from a controlled burnout fill the air in Kerby, Ore., Friday, Aug. 2, 2002. Davis, a resident of Kerby, was moving her possessions out of the town. Fire crews continue fighting the Florence and Sour Biscuit fires in hopes of keeping it away from communities in the Illinois Valley in Southwestern Oregon. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)
- Aug 02 6:28 PM ET

Rodney Martinez of Spartanburg S.C., a member of the North Carolina 42 fire crew, watches over the road during a burnout operation in the Siskiyou National Forest west of Selma, Ore., Thursday, Aug. 1, 2002. After waiting 48 hours for favorable winds, fire crews finally ignited the burnout, intended to take fuel away from the Florence fire, which has burned 150,000 acres in Southwestern Oregon. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)
- Aug 02 11:31 AM ET

Smoke from the Florence fire covers the Siskiyou National Forest west of Selma, Ore., Thursday, Aug. 1, 2002. Crews torched brush and other potential fuel Thursday to try to keep two major wildfires from advancing toward homes in a southwestern Oregon valley. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)
- Aug 02 11:31 AM ET

The Florence fire sends up a large plume of smoke over the Siskiyou National Forest west of Selma, Ore., Thursday, Aug. 1, 2002. Nearly 13,000 firefighters were battling wildfires burning on more than 438,610 acres in Oregon Thursday. Top priority was given to two blazes burning across 186,000 acres in the Siskiyou National Forest, near Selma. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)
- Aug 02 11:31 AM ET

50 posted on 08/03/2002 9:48:18 AM PDT by glock rocks
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