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Troops who fought in Afghanistan list benefits, troubles of weapons
Pacific edition, Stars and Stripes ^ | Sunday, August 4, 2002 | Lisa Burgess

Posted on 08/04/2002 11:27:23 AM PDT by demlosers

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To: Jeff Chandler
Yeah, there might have been some misunderstanding about my post. I was more talking about the inability of the 9mm Military sidearm to fire when something was pressed up against the barrel. It seemed like a bit of a flaw in the weapon to me.
51 posted on 08/05/2002 5:59:01 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: demlosers
The M-4 “gets dirty fast for a self-cleaning weapon, also double feeds when rounds get wet,” one soldier said in the survey.

What are they teaching these Army guys? "Self-cleaning weapon?"

52 posted on 08/05/2002 6:17:16 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: fire_eye
The M16 probably needs to Move On... But, it's just too bad Stoner and Kalashnikov aren't around any more, now that the Cold War is over. We could just give the two of them a billion-dollar budget and tell them to agree on a solution to all our problems.

MikTim [Mikhail Timofey'vich] Kalashnikov is alive and well, and continues to maintain his position as dean of Russian firearms design engineers as a consultant to the Russian Izmash-avto arms factory at Izhevsk.

Their video demonstration [to accompaniment of Bach's tocatta and fugue in D minor!] of their most famous product is enlightening and entertaining. Try it sometime with an M16 or M4.


53 posted on 08/05/2002 11:55:04 AM PDT by archy
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To: patton
Personnaly, I believe the purpose of the barrel safety is to give DI's a way to prevent the recruits from shooting them.

But that's just MHO.

Not quite. The purpose of the *barrel safety* [properly called the disconnector is twofold: to prevent the pistol from discharging unless the breech is in the locked position with the cartridge fully seated, since an out-of-battery discharge could rupture the brass cartridge case and injure the shooter, and to prevent unwanted full-automatic fire by requiring a seperate press of the trigger for each shot.

Note that such a feature is hardly limited to the M9, which certainly has its faults, though the presence of a disconnector safety is hardly one of them. It's one of the safety features of the earlier M1911A1 .45 autopistol as well, which, by the way can also be slapped in the muzzle to prevent it's firing, unless, of course, the shooter simply pulls his elbow back a few inches, in which case the result is a muzzle-contact .45 wound. Messy.

Been there, got the T-shirt, and had to have it professionally cleaned...repeatedly....

54 posted on 08/05/2002 12:04:31 PM PDT by archy
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To: Jeff Chandler
The safest technique for disarming a handgun-wielding opponent, assuming he is close enough to reach, is to grab the forearm (of the weapon-hand) of the assailiant with the same-side hand, while simultaneously pivoting on the balls of the feet, so that your body is perpendicular to his. That way, if the gum discharges, you will only receive a glancing blow. Then slide your hand down to his wrist, bring your outside foot around so that you are side-to-side with him, and effect a kote gaeshi. It's your choice whether to merely control the assailant, break his joints, or "accidentally" shoot him with his own gun in his own hand.

The technique we teach in bando is somewhat different:

Immediate horizontal level slash opens opponents throat, windpipe and maybe carotid artery, sometimes decapitating him, or at least severing neck muscles to the spine. Turn of wrist and downward diagonal cut likely breaks clavicle [collarbone] rendering strength of pistol hand useless, and opening pectoral muscles of chest during followthrough. Ow. Final third stroke is again a weak-to-strongside horizontal cutopening stomach cavity and probably disemboweling recipient. Entire three-motion Z-cut takes less than a second to execute, with practice, and results in massive shock to opponent, and big wide-opened surprise look in their eyes.

You can do pretty well with a field shovel or intrenching tool, as well.

Ayo Ghorkhali!


55 posted on 08/05/2002 12:28:16 PM PDT by archy
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To: archy
MikTim [Mikhail Timofey'vich] Kalashnikov is alive and well, and continues to maintain his position as dean of Russian firearms design engineers as a consultant to the Russian Izmash-avto arms factory at Izhevsk.

Well, good! I needed a pleasant surprise for a change.

I could have sworn I'd heard on separate occasions that both he and Stoner had passed away.

And I'm still kicking myself roundly for not having found a way to catch the two of them on their NRA-sponsored tour a few years back. (I'd love to get a video...)

56 posted on 08/05/2002 12:50:08 PM PDT by fire_eye
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...opens opponents throat, windpipe and maybe carotid artery, sometimes decapitating him, or at least severing neck muscles to the spine. ...breaks clavicle ...opening pectoral muscles of chest during followthrough. ... cutopening stomach cavity and probably disemboweling recipient...

LOL! That would work.

57 posted on 08/05/2002 1:41:44 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: fire_eye
Nope, too late, Gene Stoner has indeed left us. In memory of his passing, a number of us let fly with 21-round bursts, all from Stoner-design rifles.

But yes, he met with MikTim at one of the SHOT show gatherings before his demise, arranged by Ed Ezell of the Smithsonian, and there's a highly appropriate photo of the two of them then you might especially appreciate, holding not their own rifle designs, but the others.

58 posted on 08/05/2002 2:22:25 PM PDT by archy
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To: Jeff Chandler
LOL! That would work

Certainly gets their undivided attention! But sometimes ruins the shoeshine, and usually gets you off their next Christmas card list....

GI field shovel [*Omon nightstick*] is still an appropriate alternate, though. Versatile.

-archy-/-

59 posted on 08/05/2002 2:29:05 PM PDT by archy
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...opens opponents throat, windpipe and maybe carotid artery, sometimes decapitating him, or at least severing neck muscles to the spine. ...breaks clavicle ...opening pectoral muscles of chest during followthrough. ... cutopening stomach cavity and probably disemboweling recipient...

I'm not even gonna ask how you acquire a supply of practice partners!

60 posted on 08/05/2002 4:22:00 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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