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Posted on 08/04/2002 11:27:23 AM PDT by demlosers
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You're not grabbing it- you're pushing against it. And keep in mind, I don't have any idea if it works with other automatics.
Pushing straight against the barrel of the 9mm Military sidearm, pushes the barrel backwards- towards the hammer. Somehow, it moves the slide just enough so the trigger- hammer mechanism doesn't function. If you have a 9mm like the one the military uses, give it a try (unloaded of course). If you push against the business end of the barrel- that is, if the gun were pointed at you and you stuck out your palm (in a "halt" posture), placed your palm straight against the barrel and pushed directly against it- you can actually see it interferes with it. It pushes the hammer back a little bit further than it's supposed to be- whatever it does, it prevents the weapon from discharging (no matter how hard the guy squeezes the trigger) as long as you have it pushed back.
If you were quick enough, I suppose you could unlatch his magazine and then if you could force him to discharge his one remaining round, he'd be screwed. I found just using that method to push the barrel away from my torso/head and then using my free hand to strike seemed to be a pretty good tactic- assuming the guy was going to kill you anyway, having a hole in the hand is definitely better than one in the gut and the worst that happens is you're not quick enough and he plugs you anyway.
If you can, try it out safely. If you don't have one (9mm), go to a pawn shop or a gun show and see if you can find that model and give it a try. The magazine doesn't have to be in it. Try it either way, hammer cocked or hammer down. I don't know how to describe why the hammer can't be released, but it's like it's pinching it/putting it in a position where the trigger doesn't work. But you're right, if you didn't ID the gun correctly, you'd be screwed. We figured it would actually only be useful against another US Soldier because the probability would be highly in your favor that it would be a 9mm (against the MPs maybe?)
This SGT friend of mine says "you know, if you push against the barrel of the 9mm, it won't fire". I say, "No sh!t?" So we PLAYED around with it. It was for sh!ts and giggles- to pass the time you know?
I only brought it up to point out that the military 9mm, won't fire in this situation. I've got better things to do with my time than go to a combat school or karate class. Jeez, lighten up.
My own suggestion would be to go to an AK type weapon. With one M-14 per fire team, for long-distance work.
If that is too complicated, then just bring back the M-14.
The M16 probably needs to Move On... But, it's just too bad Stoner and Kalashnikov aren't around any more, now that the Cold War is over. We could just give the two of them a billion-dollar budget and tell them to agree on a solution to all our problems.
Grip, barrel, switch -
It's just curiousity mainly. It was a fun way to spend a few hours in Bosnia but it's not really knowledge I can apply nowadays but I found it to be a bit of a novelty at the time.
But that's just MHO.
What are they teaching these Army guys? "Self-cleaning weapon?"
MikTim [Mikhail Timofey'vich] Kalashnikov is alive and well, and continues to maintain his position as dean of Russian firearms design engineers as a consultant to the Russian Izmash-avto arms factory at Izhevsk.
But that's just MHO.
Not quite. The purpose of the *barrel safety* [properly called the disconnector is twofold: to prevent the pistol from discharging unless the breech is in the locked position with the cartridge fully seated, since an out-of-battery discharge could rupture the brass cartridge case and injure the shooter, and to prevent unwanted full-automatic fire by requiring a seperate press of the trigger for each shot.
Note that such a feature is hardly limited to the M9, which certainly has its faults, though the presence of a disconnector safety is hardly one of them. It's one of the safety features of the earlier M1911A1 .45 autopistol as well, which, by the way can also be slapped in the muzzle to prevent it's firing, unless, of course, the shooter simply pulls his elbow back a few inches, in which case the result is a muzzle-contact .45 wound. Messy.
Been there, got the T-shirt, and had to have it professionally cleaned...repeatedly....
The technique we teach in bando is somewhat different:
Immediate horizontal level slash opens opponents throat, windpipe and maybe carotid artery, sometimes decapitating him, or at least severing neck muscles to the spine. Turn of wrist and downward diagonal cut likely breaks clavicle [collarbone] rendering strength of pistol hand useless, and opening pectoral muscles of chest during followthrough. Ow. Final third stroke is again a weak-to-strongside horizontal cutopening stomach cavity and probably disemboweling recipient. Entire three-motion Z-cut takes less than a second to execute, with practice, and results in massive shock to opponent, and big wide-opened surprise look in their eyes.
You can do pretty well with a field shovel or intrenching tool, as well.
Well, good! I needed a pleasant surprise for a change.
I could have sworn I'd heard on separate occasions that both he and Stoner had passed away.
And I'm still kicking myself roundly for not having found a way to catch the two of them on their NRA-sponsored tour a few years back. (I'd love to get a video...)
LOL! That would work.
But yes, he met with MikTim at one of the SHOT show gatherings before his demise, arranged by Ed Ezell of the Smithsonian, and there's a highly appropriate photo of the two of them then you might especially appreciate, holding not their own rifle designs, but the others.
Certainly gets their undivided attention! But sometimes ruins the shoeshine, and usually gets you off their next Christmas card list....
GI field shovel [*Omon nightstick*] is still an appropriate alternate, though. Versatile.
I'm not even gonna ask how you acquire a supply of practice partners!