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Oregon Fire Fight Hampered by Cooler Weather
KGW TV ^ | 5 August 2002 | GILLIAN FLACCUS

Posted on 08/05/2002 7:37:46 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Fire Fight Hampered by Cooler Weather 08/05/2002

By GILLIAN FLACCUS, Associated Press Writer

Firefighters trying to get a line around the massive Florence Fire hoped for rain Monday, but said they were nevertheless making good progress on corralling the blaze with a 200-mile containment line starting at the California border.

The 240,000-acre fire, located in the Siskiyou National Forest in southwestern Oregon, increased Sunday by more than 40,000 acres from burnouts alone, said Tom Valluzzi, a U.S. Forest Service spokesman. Burnouts are fires that are intentionally set behind dirt containment lines by crews hoping to rob the main blaze of its fuel.

Firefighters said they would conduct burns down the ridge to the river that runs behind the Woods' house and then burn another ridge on the other side of the property.

The family has been cutting trees and clearing brush around the ranch for five days and had a sprinkler on the roof, said Susie Wood.

"They said they felt that with the efforts we've been doing, they think we can save our place," she said. "I hope so -- you've got to have a positive attitude."

The ridge fire licked at the base of trunks, sometimes creeping up the sides in short spurts and other times torching the entire tree in seconds. The fire created its own wind that erupted in loud whooshes, like a jet taking off, every time a tree ignited.

Flames jumped around, sometimes crisping one side of a tree and leaving the other untouched, but they did not cross a foot-wide dirt line dug that morning to control the flames.

On the opposite ridge, crews used a new blasting technology to carve out a one- to two-mile containment line for the next day's burnout. Tubes of sausage-shaped explosives were laid down and then detonated from a distance, creating a huge explosion that sent clouds of gray smoke above the tree line.

"It was multiple explosions and it was pretty loud," said Bill Evans, 84, who lives two miles from the blast site. "I thought I'd go out there on my bicycle, but they said no way."

A total of 40 miles have been scorched with drip torches and flare pistols by hand crews working along the fire's eastern flank, where it threatens about 17,000 Illinois Valley residents.

There are about eight more miles to burn before the containment line reaches the California border, where another fire team takes over responsibility, said Tom Knappenberger, a U.S. Forest Service spokesman.

The Florence Fire was still about one to two miles Sunday from the 41,000-acre Biscuit Fire and fire officials expect the two blazes to merge in the next few days.

"We expect them to and it's OK if they do," said Mike Ferris, Forest Service spokesman. "We've been treating them like one fire already."

The threat to the Illinois Valley has dropped because of progress with burnouts and the cooler weather, said Ferris. A 30-minute evacuation order for 17,000 people was downgraded to a two-hour warning Saturday night, he said. That could be lowered to a 24- or 48-hour notice in the next few days.

"We're feeling pretty good about the reduced threat in these communities. It's starting to look like they have a minimal risk to them," Ferris said.

Meanwhile, another management team handling the fire's western flank from a command post in Gold Beach continued to prepare a containment line around the northern and western sides.

The fire crossed Indigo Creek to the north and was about three miles from Agness, a tiny whitewater outpost, by Sunday. Crews planned to link line from the west and east sides in the next few weeks.

The Bear Camp Highway, which runs from near Grants Pass to Agness, was closed indefinitely at midnight Sunday so it can be used as a secondary containment line around the fire's northern edge, Ferris said.

About $10.1 million has been spent on the Florence fire alone, said Knappenberger, the spokesman. The fire was about 5 percent contained Sunday night.

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Good morning!

This will start the thread on the Fires in Oregon.

According to the Oregonian and Oregon live, these fires don't exist, (At least on their web sites).

1 posted on 08/05/2002 7:37:46 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Granof8; AuntB; Buck; Salvation; wanderin; blackie; dixiechick2000; Species8472; RightWhale; ...
FYI

As usual, news is skimpy. So if you have any up todate personal news or from local sources, please post it.
2 posted on 08/05/2002 7:40:50 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
According to the eugene register guard, these fires are due to global warming and past logging practices.

The paper has been running their agenda on the frontpage, two days in a row.

3 posted on 08/05/2002 7:41:01 AM PDT by joyce11111
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To: WaterDragon; madfly; brityank; farmfriend; Ernest_at_the_Beach; *Enviralists
Fyi and for your ping list
4 posted on 08/05/2002 7:42:24 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: BOBTHENAILER; CedarDave; AAABEST; sauropod; countrydummy; Tailgunner Joe
For those plagued with the enviralists and not living on the West Coast.
5 posted on 08/05/2002 7:44:12 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: backhoe
FYI.

Thanks for your pinging
6 posted on 08/05/2002 7:45:07 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Dave - I posted my thread one minute behind yours. Thought you were absent this morning.
7 posted on 08/05/2002 7:52:11 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: Grampa Dave
I'm sure the greenies would like to know that their efforts have increased consumption of non renewable fuels. My neighbor can't use his solar power generator because we havn't seeen the sun in a month.

This cat 1 hurricane fire is up to over 300K acres. Wonder how that compares to the state of Rhode Island?

8 posted on 08/05/2002 7:55:29 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: Grampa Dave
The headline is completely backwards. The cooler weather is helping the firefighters
9 posted on 08/05/2002 7:56:49 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: All; tubebender; Granof8
07:54 AM • Monday, Crescent City Tripicate, August 5, 2002 Crescent City, CA They're winning the fight on the California side, but still struggling in Oregon Firefighters continue to gain control over Del Norte County's Sour-Biscuit and Shelley Creek fires, but fires burning in Oregon are growing. (link)
10 posted on 08/05/2002 8:00:37 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: lady lawyer
No - its hampering efforts. They can't start back fires, used to starve a moving fire of fuel. The cool weather will prevent the fire from moving also, but once temps rise, humidity lowers & winds start, we're back to a traveling hurricane.
11 posted on 08/05/2002 8:00:57 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: lady lawyer
Actually, while trying start a lot of backfires over a large area, they want dry weather. So this is a hinderance right now at this stage of containment.

12 posted on 08/05/2002 8:05:45 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
NO EVACUATIONS YET FOR CURRY COUNTY RESIDENTS Published: August 3, 2002 From the Curry Pilot in Brookings: By Brian Bullock

Residents of Oak Flat and Agness were breathing a bit easier Friday after favorable weather conditions allowed firefighters to begin establishing control lines between their homes and the Florence Fire in the Kalmiopsis Wilderness Area.

The fire, which began July 13 as one part of a five blaze complex, has become the top priority fire in the nation, burning nearly 170,000 acres.(Link to rest of story)

13 posted on 08/05/2002 8:11:18 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; Stand Watch Listen; freefly; expose; ...
ping
14 posted on 08/05/2002 8:12:41 AM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly
BTTT!!!!!
15 posted on 08/05/2002 8:20:03 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: joyce11111
The Eugene Register is the Pravda, Oregon, propaganda arm for the Enviralists in Oregon.

Every crackpot enviral scheme to harm America/Americans from Global warming to the Spotted Owl Rural Cleansing is pushed as the Gospel as per the Pravda Register.

What an enviral waste the Register is. Think of all the trees killed for news print, the cost of hauling those mass murdered trees to a pulp mill, the energy costs to make the trees into newspaper pulp, the energy costs to haul that pulp to the a paper maker to make news print, the energy to convert the pulp to newspaper, the energy to haul it to the Eugene register, the energy to unload and store the massive rolls of news print, the energy to print the newspaper, the energy to deliver the Pravda Watermelon to the people of Eugene, the energy to pick up the fish wraps and take them to a costly and high energy conversion plant to convert them to newsprint.

The Pravda Register is a prime example of how all news prints kill trees and waste massive energy to deliver stale Watermelon Agendas. These fishwraps are an enviralmento nightmare.

If the owners, publisher and editors of the Pravda Register really cared about the environment and trees, they would close their doors ASAP and never waste energy on another Pravda Water Agenda Issue.
16 posted on 08/05/2002 8:20:50 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: madfly
Good morning and thanks for the bump!
17 posted on 08/05/2002 8:21:24 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Stop the attacks by the wacko, extreme left-wing, enviro-nazis terrorist's on our Freedoms !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

18 posted on 08/05/2002 8:23:31 AM PDT by blackie
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To: All
Here is the latest NOAA, weird green, sat image. I have no idea re the date, probably 1 or 2 August. These people fold up shop on the weekend. This image however shows the size of the fires in the Illinois Valley.


19 posted on 08/05/2002 8:26:25 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Morning news -

More crews on the way, including one type 1 from Canada. Additional aircraft coming in today. Will be setting up helicopter drop water tanks (mix clorine with water) to prevent spread of cedar root rot disease. Equipment that works in an infected area must be cleaned before going into a non-infected area.

August 4 at 8 p.m. Florence fire at 234,985 acres with 10% contained. Fire growth partially from backburns on the east side. Biscuit fire at 6 a.m. August 4 totaled 41,028 acres in Oregon and California.

Curry County Commissioners expected to declare state of emergency today.

Still concern for Agness area if the fire sweeps north and into that drainage then back into Agness.

20 posted on 08/05/2002 8:27:50 AM PDT by Granof8
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To: Grampa Dave
Oh, jeeeeeeeeeez Grampa, you ought to send that post to the red guard right now...LOL
21 posted on 08/05/2002 8:30:32 AM PDT by joyce11111
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To: madfly
Thanks for the heads up!
22 posted on 08/05/2002 8:30:52 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Granof8
I'm sure the green plague would love to see the town of Agnes in flames. Agness is base camp to industries that cater to those that invade the pristine Rogue wilderness.
23 posted on 08/05/2002 8:31:12 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: Grampa Dave
Here is the link to the 5 day forecast for the Kalmiopsis Wilderness Area, where the fire is really located. Not a bad forecast with the exception of some high winds, Tuesday through Thursday from the NWN. (Kalmiopsis Wilderness Area, 5 day weather forecast)
24 posted on 08/05/2002 8:35:26 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: joyce11111
Clean it up a little and send it them with your name.

I sent that to our local fish wrap and they actually backed away from some of the enviral BS that they were pushing. Of course they did not put it in as a letter to the editor.

This is the fishwraps worse nightmare that nationwide and locally people will challenge Fishwraps as a terrible enviral way to get out stale news and stale agendas of the left.
25 posted on 08/05/2002 8:38:42 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
The Green al Qaeda plague/thugs have been trying to shut down the Rogue to all fishing for at least 10 years.

If they ever succeed, that will leave Agness and down stream to their soul brothers who run the rafting, canoes and white water trips and rental businesses. No nasty fishermen in the way of them making trips down stream and lots of money.
26 posted on 08/05/2002 8:41:00 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
http://www.nwtec.com/home/map020805.html updated at 2 a.m. this morning. Below the map you will find links that go back to previous days' maps.
27 posted on 08/05/2002 8:43:14 AM PDT by Granof8
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To: Grampa Dave
"Eco Tourism" A term I despise! How do the greenies feel about the jet boat incursions to the wild Rogue out of Agness? They cost about 50 bucks a head. No fishermen, just wilderness lovers. However, they use precious fossil fuels to transport the tourists.

The west side of Klaamth Lake gets the green scum. They like to paddle their canoes around the marshes ejaculating every time they see a red winged blackbird. I make sure they know I'm out their to rake hooks through the trout that inhabit their cathedral.

I also love it when the afternoon winds kick up and their out their with nothing but a canoe - thats after I've failed to slow down and they've had to negotiate my boat wake.

28 posted on 08/05/2002 8:57:24 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
Agness has a few of its own greenies, but many of the families have lived in the area since the 1850s. I don't believe the greens can drive them out, fire or no fire.

29 posted on 08/05/2002 9:14:28 AM PDT by Granof8
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To: Grampa Dave
Oh the irony...in their efforts to keep nature pristine the eco-morons declared the forests off limits. The off limits created an abundance of ground fuel which when set off would make for uncontrolable blazes. The blazes being uncontrolable by normal means call for unconventional means. So the firefighters have to resort to BLASTING and Bulldozing the countryside, far more damaging than thinning would ever be. It's thick aint it? (the irony, not the $hit, shich would be termed "deep" )

EBUCK

30 posted on 08/05/2002 9:21:38 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Grampa Dave
According to the Oregonian and Oregon live, these fires don't exist, (At least on their web sites).

Same with katu.com except for this story:

August 5, 2002

Fire Destroys Log Chipping Plant
Near The Dalles

THE DALLES - Firefighters allowed a fire in a deck of logs and tons of wood chips at a mill here to burn itself out Sunday after a spectacular blaze destroyed most of the complex Saturday night.

Lt. Fred Coleman of Mid-Columbia Fire and Rescue said firemen were patrolling downwind to watch for new fires and to protect what was left of Mountain Fir Chip Co.

"They're letting the logs burn," he said.

The wind carried burning chips and bark some 500 yards across the Columbia River to the unincorporated town of Dallesport, Wash., starting a fire there that grew to 70 acres before it was controlled. There was no structural damage reported.

Damage to Mountain Fir, which employed about 20 people, was estimated at $4 million.

The fire, which started in grass, spread to the logs and the mill and its hoppers. Firemen were able to save other structures at the plant and other businesses in the Port of The Dalles.

Cause of the fire has not been determined.

(Copyright 2002 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

31 posted on 08/05/2002 9:25:35 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Granof8
I don't believe the greens can drive them out, fire or no fire.

Don't be so sure..We have been exploring the issue of insurance lately and we've come to the conclusion that without insurers willing to insure rural homes the people will be moving out shortly. Hope it doesn't go that far but it's certainly possible and a brilliant tactical approach.

EBUCK

32 posted on 08/05/2002 9:25:44 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Grampa Dave
Here is a story posted on kgw.com

Crews to Attack Fire's West Flank

08/02/2002

By GILLIAN FLACCUS, Associated Press Writer

The Florence wildfire has grown so large that officials Friday drew an imaginary north-south line down the middle of the 80-mile-long blaze and split firefighting duties into two camps about 40 miles apart.

More than 1,200 firefighters and support staff are en route to Gold Beach to operate out of a new command post that will focus on fighting the fire's movement to the north and west.

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A fire crew from Keizer, Ore., stays with their truck along U.S. Highway 199 as the Florence fire sends plumes of smoke skyward. (AP Photo)
The fire west of Silver Peak will be renamed the West Florence Fire.

The eastern side will be managed from the established camp in Cave Junction, said Richard Nieto, branch director for the Florence Fire.

"The fire has become so large that it's too big for a single team to handle," said Rick Hartigan, fire spokesman in Gold Beach.

Fire crews from around the country have been trickling into tent camps in the area. They scrambled to prepare a common radio frequency, bring facilities for hot meals and form a list of crews and equipment to battle the fire's western flank.

After a limited presence earlier in the week, fire engines, hotshot crews and helicopters were seen Friday near Gold Beach and in the tiny outpost of Agness.

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Dark, colorful smoke fills the sky over a Selma, Ore., home as the Florence fire continues to burn. (AP Photo)
Fire commanders have been concentrating on the fire's eastern flank because of the threat to 17,000 residents in the Illinois Valley. Crews now seem to be gaining the upper hand on that part of the fire, although the threat isn't over.

Nieto said wind gusts, uneven terrain and dense fuels were pushing the flames west and northwest.

Flames were about four miles from the tiny community of Wilderness Retreat in the fire's southwest corner and triage teams headed there Friday to assess and protect homes, he said.

The new command post is being set up at the Curry County Fairgrounds, displacing college summer courses that use the facility, said Janet Pretti, program coordinator for Southwestern Oregon Community College.

About 45 students will finish their last two weeks of class at the high school, she said.

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Nikolas Granville, 11, and his sister Victoria Granville, 3, of Selma, Ore., look towards the mountains and a giant cloud of smoke. (AP Photo)
"This is a small town and everybody shares, so it'll be working out just fine," Pretti said as she watched officials scramble to install eight temporary phone lines.

Officials were waiting for a 10,000-gallon metal-framed water tank to hold water for helicopter drops on the fire's western and northern edges.

Firefighters must treat water pumped from the Illinois River with Clorox before they dump it on the burning forests because they are trying to prevent the spread of Port Orford cedar root disease, a devastating blight that has already infected several watersheds.

The river water will be pumped into the tank at 325 gallons a minute, then treated with one gallon of Clorox for every 1,000 gallons of water. Firefighters must also wash the wheels and undercarriage of their trucks with treated water before leaving the forest to prevent the disease from spreading.

The tank can fill about five helicopter buckets at a time, and will be refilled constantly, said Rick MacDonald, a U.S. Forest Service assistant fire management officer.

In Agness, a team of structural protection specialists said they had finished assessing about 50 houses in the area. About half could be saved if fire came through, said Paul Konzen, with Engine 53 from the Los Padres National Forest in Ventura, Calif.

Bulldozers, two hand crews and a hotshot crew worked Friday to complete three staggered containment lines around the fire's northern edge.

"It's moving in pulses," said Daniel Ramirez, also with Engine 53. "Today it might burn real good and then die down for a day or two."

Conditions in the woods were tough, firefighters said, and included run-ins with scorpions, rattlesnakes, "old growth" poison oak and tan oak, a plant that emits a dust that is poisonous to breath.

(Copyright 2002 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

33 posted on 08/05/2002 9:36:38 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Grampa Dave
You bet- I sent a link to this in the morning mass email.
34 posted on 08/05/2002 9:41:45 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: EBUCK
Good point!

KURY Radio is just now commenting on the politically correct procedures that have to be addressed to fight the fires, it's amazing that anything gets accomplished at all.
35 posted on 08/05/2002 9:46:19 AM PDT by Granof8
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To: Granof8
it's amazing that anything gets accomplished at all.

You know it! But that's the point isn't it? To keep us from doing anything for ourselves and keep us on the gubment teat. Anyone able to operate outside the system is immediatley targeted to be pulled into the fold by way of legal restrictions etc., at taxpayer expense to boot. The basis of socialism is convincing people that they need gubment even though it's gubment that needs us to survive, not the other way around.

EBUCK

36 posted on 08/05/2002 9:54:48 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK; Archie Bunker on steroids; Granof8; Salvation; AuntB; wanderin; All
I will be off line for a few hours.

A project at our church that I'm in charge of is calling me.

Take care and kept the up dates coming in.

A 200 (two hundred mile fire line) what the two fires in the Illinois River will require to control is incredible.

Yet there is no national news on this and a semi blackout in the Oregon area.

Catch you later this afternoon.
37 posted on 08/05/2002 10:14:21 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Your comments about the Eugene Fishwearp being a waste of paper reminds me of my daughter, who in second grade was given assignment to make a poster about saving trees. So she didn't make one. Took her teacher a minute to catch on, but she got a good grade.
38 posted on 08/05/2002 10:19:43 AM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: Grampa Dave
There is a huge amount of smoke in and around Fairbanks, has been for 3 days. It's not clear where it is coming from, but it seems to be from far away. Any idea or link to a satellite mage?
39 posted on 08/05/2002 10:24:10 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: EBUCK
Here's an item from the Curry Coastal Pilot, Saturday, August 3:

Curry Coastal Pilot, August 3, 2002
By Jennifer Henion, Triplicate Staff Writer

U.S. Forest Service officials in Oregon will investigate whether bad advice or unavoidable bureaucracy is to blame for the spread of the Sour Biscuit Fire into Del Norte, County.
"They may say in hindsight that we made the wrong decision, but they may say that because of weather conditions and other factors it couldn't have been done any other way," said spokesperson for the Siskiyou National Forest and U.S. Forest Service Mary Marrs.
In question is whether a leading California Department of Forestry firefighter could have put out the blaze when it first sparked July 13, and whether he was told not to fight it by the Oregon office with jurisdiction over the other area.
According to Del Norte County Supervisor Chuck Blackburn, a high ranking firefighter with a crew and equipment was ready to douse the fire the day it started.
Blackburn said when that firefighter called the Siskiyou National Forest office for permission to attack the flames, he was told no. As a result, the fire grew out of control and eventually crossed into California.
"It's frustrating to the firefighters and it's frustrating to the people wondering if their houses are going to burn," Blackburn said.
Marrs said she had not heard of the incident until yesterday, and was unsure of the facts.
She said many factors are involved in organizing a fire strike and than no one would get authorization to begin the battle without all the bases covered.
"We wouldn't assign anyone to a fire unless we know there is a back-up unit, some kind of an escape route, there has to be a communication link and we would want to know what the weather conditions are," Marrs said.
Weather and smoke conditions are especially important, she said.
"One of our biggest obstacles is visibility. With all of the air crashes we've had this year, we're taking extra precautions," Marrs said.
She also pointed out that the U.S. Forest Service is a para-military organization and all the levels of bureaucracy within it often bog down the efficiency of fighting the fires.
In response to questions about two recent incidents where firefighters were ready to go to keep the fire from spreading but were denied, Marrs said that sort of thing happsnes sometimes in a huge coordinating effort such as this.
"That person may have felt miffed at missing the change to go, but when you're told no, you can't question it. We have 1,000 firefighters out there and it puts people at risk and communities at risk," Marra said.
Officials at the Medford headquarters, at the Cave Junction and Crescent City incident command centers, will be informed of the problem and the(sic) brought together for better understanding at Marrs' urging.
She also promised better communications between Forest Service staff and the communities at risk.
40 posted on 08/05/2002 10:29:44 AM PDT by Granof8
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To: Granof8
That sort of thing is bound to happen when the Chiefs (and chiefs assistants) outnumber the braves.

Great find...Let me know who takes the fall for it (if anyone).

EBUCK

41 posted on 08/05/2002 10:50:58 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Grampa Dave
Dave, the author is screwed up!

Oregon Fire Fight Hampered by Cooler Weather
KGW TV ^ | 5 August 2002 | GILLIAN FLACCUS

I think Flaccus doesn't like cool weather! Cool weather is an AID to firefighters.

42 posted on 08/05/2002 10:51:44 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: EBUCK
correction needed - poor proofreading here, couldn't find it on the internet to copy and paste:

"That person may have felt miffed at missing the change to go, but when you're told no, you can't question it. We have 1,000 firefighters out there and it puts people at risk and communities at risk," Marra said.

Should be corrected to read:

"That person may have felt miffed at missing the chance to go, but when you're told no, you can't question it. We have 1,000 firefighters out there and it puts people at risk and communities at risk," Marrs said.
43 posted on 08/05/2002 11:01:04 AM PDT by Granof8
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To: Granof8
"We have 1,000 firefighters out there and it puts people at risk and communities at risk"

"And we have 1800 administrative and other non-essential personel that all decisions must to go thru so we really can't get anything done in a timely fashion. As a matter of fact, the buracracy is so large that I'm personally amazed that we can afford to have firefighters on the ground!" (edited out of the original article by USFS political officer) /sarcasm

EBUCK

44 posted on 08/05/2002 11:07:07 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
I liked your version better. :)
45 posted on 08/05/2002 11:16:35 AM PDT by Granof8
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To: Grampa Dave
According to the enviro wackos, harvesting a mature tree and turning it into useful forest products causes global warming but burning a mature tree doesn't. And they wonder why we call them wackos. They should be required to file an environmental impact statement every time they interfere with efforts to reduce fuel loads in semi-arid evergreen forests susceptible to fire.
46 posted on 08/05/2002 11:25:48 AM PDT by yoswif
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To: yoswif
They should be required to file an environmental impact statement every time they interfere with efforts to reduce fuel loads in semi-arid evergreen forests susceptible to fire.

Standard eco-nut environmental impact statement....

It's bad because my gut (and my corporate controllers) tells me so (tear rolling down cheek for effect). And all the cute and cuddly creatures are dying and stuff! Plus it's our job as curators of the cathedral that we stop evil humans from doing any more harm! It's for the animals dontcha know!

EBUCK

47 posted on 08/05/2002 11:29:52 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
From the Del Norte Triplicate, Crescent City, CA

They're winning the fight on the California side, but still struggling in Oregon

Published: August 4, 2002

By Jennifer Henion

Triplicate staff writer

Firefighters continue to gain control of the Sour-Biscuit Zone 2 Fire near the Low Divide and Gasquet areas.

Crews now have the fire 28 percent contained and held growth of the fire to 55 acres in the last 24 hours. The total acreage now burning on the California side Zone 2 fire is 21,800.

Because of the remote location of the fire and the time it takes to travel from headquarters at Del Norte High School to the front lines, crews are now staying overnight in camps near the fire.

Firefighters are now hand-digging trenches around the fire on the east and west borders to prevent flames from spreading.

On the southern edge of the fire, just five miles above Gasquet and nine miles northeast of Hiouchi, crews were prevented from creating a fire block line.

The difficulty of accessing the front lines of the blaze there and a lack of escape routes made sending fire crews to that area too dangerous, according to a news release by the U.S. Forest Service.

No structures have burned in the fire on the California side.

The Shelley Creek Fire near Patrick Creek Lodge just above Highway 199 is still 100 percent contained. Crews continue to monitor and mop-up that fire.

Residents living near both fires who were evacuated seven days ago, were allowed to return to their homes yesterday afternoon, but remain on a one-hour evacuation notice warning.

Costs of the Sour-Biscuit Zone 2 Fire are estimated at $1.3 million so far. The Shelley Creek Fire has cost about $2.5 million to fight, so far.

Weather is expected to continue to help fight the blaze. A cool, moist air mass is moving inland from the coast with temperatures in the mid 70's with 40 percent humidity.

The Sour-Biscuit fire burning in Del Norte County's Smith River National Recreation Area is connected with the Sour-Biscuit Zone 1 Fire burning just over the Oregon border.

Crews working to fight the Oregon section of the fire which has grown almost 1,000 acres in the past two days, are now conducting burn-out operations along the state line.

The Zone 1 fire is now 19,228 acres.

Between 10 a.m. and 5 p.m. today, fire crews are using explosives to create a fire line just west of O'Brien and south and Rough and Ready Creek.

The Florence Fire, burning five miles west of Selma, Ore. and threatening Cave Junction and Kerby continues to grow larger.

Burning less than two miles from the Sour-Biscuit Fire complex, the Florence Fire grew nearly 10,000 acres in the past 24 hours. It is now burning a total of 198,200 acres.

Four residences and eight outbuildings have burned in that blaze.

Information about how the fire is threatening the transmission lines which bring all of Del Norte County's electricity through the Illinois Valley from Grants Pass is unavailable today.
48 posted on 08/05/2002 11:41:46 AM PDT by Granof8
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To: Granof8; calawah98; madfly; Grampa Dave; brityank; Trailer Trash; HAMMERDOWN; dixiechick2000; ...
Seen this yet?

The difficulty of accessing the front lines of the blaze there and a lack of escape routes made sending fire crews to that area too dangerous, according to a news release by the U.S. Forest Service.

For the spin/de-spin impaired "lack of escape routes" means no roads or roads that are in such disrepair that escape would be iffy if dependant upon said roads. Thank you envirals!!!

Click on Picure

EBUCK

49 posted on 08/05/2002 11:49:18 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: EBUCK
BTTT!!!!!!!
50 posted on 08/05/2002 12:11:34 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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