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JoeEveryman and the Anti-FReeper Attack on Free Republic
Various Anti-FReeper sites | August 10, 2002 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 08/10/2002 1:29:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: deport
Thanks for the ping, deport. I wouldn't have wanted to miss what Jim had to say about this.
51 posted on 08/10/2002 2:25:46 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Jim Robinson
when attacked shove it right back in their ant-freak
52 posted on 08/10/2002 2:25:47 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: DoughtyOne
It is true that none of the FR or FRN leaders have anything to hide

Save their identities, perhaps, as they egg on the AF-ers and stir the pot to the detriment of all involved.

I think some of those who would claim exclusive victim status have sometimes brought the suffering upon themselves in part.

If you're going to claim the high road for yourself, you must stick to it as a rule.

53 posted on 08/10/2002 2:25:58 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Catspaw
I agree and this is the direction the SC Chapter seems to be taking. My comments were resereved for what I believe to be commonly known facts on the general forum.
54 posted on 08/10/2002 2:27:02 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: Jim Robinson
bttt - thanks for the info. JL
55 posted on 08/10/2002 2:27:20 PM PDT by lodwick
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To: TLBSHOW
when attacked shove it right back in their ant-freak

Why get down on their level?

If their primary problem is a fixation with all things FR/FRN, why not best them by ignoring them. (Regardless how important it may be to monitor the situation given some of the damage they've tried to wreak in the past with vendors and other aspects of the running of the Forum?)

56 posted on 08/10/2002 2:27:42 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: BillyBoy
You're right about the fake 'conservatives' that bash Clinton and play the 'disgruntled Republican - ultranservative' game very well. Some are sincere and make good points but the fakes are often those who are fanatically rabid about criticizing Bush (and use the DU epithets) beyond reason, or else they slip up and say something so over the top regarding conservatives that the mask falls off. I've seen it happen a time or two and it's very frustrating.

FR is a place for politically conservative debate but I find that it's often also a place where you have to debate around Libertarian philosophy endlessly (don't they have their own website?) and fight off the anti-Republicans and fake conservatives attempting to slip in discouraging, anti-conservative lies.

This latest anti-FR incursion needs to be cut off at the knees. Jim Robinson has a right to censor those who post on his website and attack FR and it's founders, whatever the reason. I don't care about the specifics. If some FR chapter had a theft of funds that's unfortunate but it doesn't have anything to do with the website. Attempts to smear the Robinsons and other FR officials with a localized law violation is cheesy. Let them file the stupid lawsuits or whatever it is they want to do but keep it off of FR. We have enough distractions.

57 posted on 08/10/2002 2:28:12 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: DoughtyOne
I would say that people who profess to be Republicans who do not support traditional conservative ideals could also be suspect.

That could apply to most Republicans in Congress and dare I say some actions of the President. Call me disruptor, many have, but to me, like it or not, 'them's the facts'.

58 posted on 08/10/2002 2:30:51 PM PDT by lewislynn
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To: Jim Robinson
just started reading this so would imagine some other geek's already gotten to it,
but would hope y'all have IPs, etc ...
60 posted on 08/10/2002 2:32:43 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: American Preservative
thanks for the ping over.......I would not miss this for the world! Whiney little anti-freaks is what we are dealing with here.
61 posted on 08/10/2002 2:33:22 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: AGreatPer; Angelwood; Dave Dilegge; ELS; Gore_ War_ Vet; Jimmy Valentine's brother; ...
Ping!
62 posted on 08/10/2002 2:33:27 PM PDT by BufordP
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To: Illbay
I hate to say it, but the problem is probably that there is TOO much leeway given on FR to people whose main focus in life is to hate.

I would take a different approach. There are a lot of people who get very active on FR to pursue their own personal power agendas. As long as JimRob and FR march in the same direction as they wish things to go, they are some of the most active Freepers. Once JimRob and FR goes in a different direction, they turn on FR. Sadly enough, I've seen way too many instances of this happening...

63 posted on 08/10/2002 2:33:34 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Jim Robinson
BTTT
64 posted on 08/10/2002 2:34:05 PM PDT by facedown
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To: Askel5
If their primary problem is a fixation with all things FR/FRN, why not best them by ignoring them.
 
Exactly.
 
It's just an internet forum.

65 posted on 08/10/2002 2:34:07 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: Miss Marple
This was contained in my response to BillyBoy.

Thanks for the nice response. I am aware that there are disrupters on the forum. I wouldn't say that they're limited to third party types though.

I would say that people who profess to be Republicans who do not support traditional conservative ideals could also be suspect. That's not to say that all supporters of Bush are guilty of this, or that all supporters of Buchanan or other third party individuals are all pure as the driven snow either.

People need to keep their eyes and minds open for people who aren't what they represent themselves to be.
 

To: DoughtyOne

DO, look at who most of the anti-Freepers supported. (Hint...NOT Bush.)

Bush people generally tend to follow rules. We are just boring old main-stream Republicans, not conservative enough for you, of course.

By the way, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

46 posted on 8/10/02 2:24 PM Pacific by Miss Marple
 

Dear Miss Marple;

It wasn't my intent to hijack this thread in the RangeWars2000 direction.  I simply meant to address an issue raised by BillyBoy.  In that response I made it very clear that third party players were just as capable as anyone else of being disrupters.  I further stated that I didn't not assess each Bush supporter to be a disrupter.  How could I have made a more fair evenhanded statement?

Yes, many of the AFer's do seem to be third party types.  I might point out that by pretending to be a conservative when in truth your aren't would be a good way to besmirch conservative ideals when they came long though.  And those folks would be most effective by staying here.  Even at that, I am only asking that people keep an open mind.  I in no way made any attempt to trash Bush or all his followers.  It wasn't my intent, I didn't do it even by accident, and I would simply ask you to accept this reality.

Now, let's drop this issue.  There are plenty of good Bush supporters, and a few Buchanan supporters on the forum who both support Jim completely.  And this subject is not the topic of this thread.
 

D1

66 posted on 08/10/2002 2:38:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: usconservative
If my memory serves me correctly, the SC Chapter had gotten a letter from Harris's scheduler stating that it was on the calendar and she wanted to attend, but that they couldn't confirm attendance any sooner than 30 days out due to her funky schedule. I think the people running this event may have jumped the gun by announcing she WOULD be there, that was a mistake. But, I do believe they were working feverishly on getting her right up to the week of the event. It could have been the same with Sauls.

Now, when chapters are doing an event and ask for the FRN's advice, we strongly urge them not to indicate a confirmation on attendance until they have the confirmation letter in their hands.

As a side, I believe there was some antifreeper activity concerning this event in SC. If I am not misteken, they mentioned a campaign of writing letters to Sauls and Harris urging them not to attend. It would ironic if the antifreepers are now contemplating some kind of goofy legal action concerning an event they themselves may have been intrumental in destroying.

67 posted on 08/10/2002 2:39:13 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: Askel5; Bob J
We have tried to ignore them but like rats they don't get it!

The only way to deal with them is up front and in their faces. Look they are planning attacks on Freerepublic just like Iraq is against America, do we sit back and do and say nothing or do we attack them first?

Word of advice copy their damn threads where they are threating Freerepeublic and fellow posters.
68 posted on 08/10/2002 2:39:21 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Jim Robinson
Control freaks. Each and every one. They can't help themselves.
69 posted on 08/10/2002 2:40:32 PM PDT by Glenn
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim,
It is best to keep them independent of you as you have done,each group should have it's own insurance-non-profit under thier name etc.I have been there and done that and when they represent you and your name and you can not be there to run it alot can happen.It is sad to say but sometimes bad things happen on purpose.If you set this up the way you are saying then all is well,just remember that the bigger it gets the harder it is to manage.Many people have great ideas but your name is the bottom line.fatima
70 posted on 08/10/2002 2:41:09 PM PDT by fatima
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To: TLBSHOW
Freerepeublic = Freerepublic

Slow down TLBSHOW~
71 posted on 08/10/2002 2:41:24 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: the crow
Sorry you have to deal with the treasonous dogs.

Sorry WE have to deal with the treasonous dogs.

Live FRee or Die!

72 posted on 08/10/2002 2:41:27 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Jim Robinson
I don't even know why people bother to reply to those threads. We've been through so many flame wars, infiltrations, sabotage traps that I'm convinced we can make it through anything.

It's just really sad that people who have contributed so much to FR have become so bitter. When it's time to go......just go.

73 posted on 08/10/2002 2:42:05 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: lewislynn
Thanks for your support, but I didn't intend my reply to BillyBoy to turn this thread into a third party vs Bush supporter debate. We should use this thread to support Jim. I know you do and I don't want to deminish that.
74 posted on 08/10/2002 2:42:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Jim Robinson; Bob J
Well, I for one would like to be informed if Commonsense turns out to be the person listed in JoeEveryman's post.

Commonsense freepmailed me when I was interested in moving to SC. Her name and some of the background information provided by Joe on the post you list above match some information she emailed me and I would hate to think FR knew information that could put FReepers at financial risk without telling us.

Bob, you say the whole thing may not be true, may I ask then why was she banned?

I certainly know not to trust people I met on a message board but considering the chapter information and convention in SC I was willing to trust her.

If you say you knew nothing of any possible impropriety then fine, however, at least consider that if you know something of such a serious matter and it becomes known as fact to you, you may want to let us know as we sometimes share information with those we've been on here for years with.
75 posted on 08/10/2002 2:42:56 PM PDT by snippy_about_it
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To: AnnaZ; All
It's just an internet forum.

It amazes me how worked up the AFers get, but it's understandable in some ways, since some of them swing on loose hinges.

However, why the hell do folks here visit those sites (I'm speaking, of course, to those Freepers whose hinges are screwed on tight).

Suggestions:

1. Take a walk.
2. Buy a puppy.
3. Take in a movie.
4. Do volunteer work.

But if you choose to visit those sites, don't come back here and cry "they're so mean!". As Anna said, it's just an internet forum.

76 posted on 08/10/2002 2:43:01 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: DoughtyOne
Agreed. We will let this subject drop.

Actually, I think this has more to do with personality type than party affiliation.

77 posted on 08/10/2002 2:43:53 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: McGavin999
It's just really sad that people who have contributed so much to FR have become so bitter. When it's time to go......just go.

I agree.

78 posted on 08/10/2002 2:44:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Miss Marple
Thank you Miss Marple.

Take care.

D1

79 posted on 08/10/2002 2:46:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Senator Pardek
Ditto!
80 posted on 08/10/2002 2:46:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne; Miss Marple
There are plenty of good Bush supporters, and a few Buchanan supporters on the forum who both support Jim completely. And this subject is not the topic of this thread.

Agreed. IMO, most of the anti-freeps share one characteristic - they have their own personal agendas, and, since FR turned out to not fully satisfy their agendas, they have decided to turn on FR instead of going out in the big, bad world of the internet and competing fairly in that thar marketplace of ideas. The irony is, if they had gone out and created their own websites based on promoting their own views instead of trashing JimRob's, JimRob probably would have provided links on FR to their websites, as he used to do with Arator...

81 posted on 08/10/2002 2:47:36 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: McGavin999
It's just really sad that people who have contributed so much to FR have become so bitter. In some situations, I think FR has given back much more than some have given and I think the animosity comes when the spigot gets turned off.
82 posted on 08/10/2002 2:48:33 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: dirtboy
Don't forget Trixie.
83 posted on 08/10/2002 2:49:32 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: DoughtyOne
How could I have made a more fair evenhanded statement?
 
You couldn't have. Some people are just knee-jerk rude.

84 posted on 08/10/2002 2:49:59 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: BADJOE
Please add to my account an additional ten dollars per month donation--to the FR legal defense fund. It is enjoyable watching FR strengthen.
85 posted on 08/10/2002 2:52:01 PM PDT by shetlan
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To: McGavin999
You beat me to it. Sometimes there are matters which are better left in the closet. People have confidence in the manner in which the URL is run or they wouldn't be here. If such subjects are necessary I would propose a "bulletin post" which didn't allow for messages (like this).
86 posted on 08/10/2002 2:53:07 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Jim Robinson
I was shocked to hear about Clinton's a Liar. I don't visit any of those sites so I guess I am out of the loop.
Thanks for passing along the information.
87 posted on 08/10/2002 2:54:31 PM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: dirtboy
Exactly! That's the rub isn't it. If furthering conservatism was the true goal of those individuals, they wouldn't trash others who have the same goals, even if they did part ways with them.

I would ask folks to consider this one issue until it hits them. Do we care if Liberty Forum is successful if they are pushing conservatism? No. We'd want them to be successful. That should be all anyone needs to know about who's in the right here.

Your comments regarding personal agendas was right on the money. And way they go...

88 posted on 08/10/2002 2:55:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Jim Robinson
You did'nt say it outright, but are you associating Libertypost.org as an antifreeper site?

Sure, there are some lunatics over there, But there are also quality people there who used to(some still do) support FR (and you) whole-heartedly.

I don't think these people fit into the Joe Everyman catagory.

89 posted on 08/10/2002 2:57:19 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: ken5050
Tee hee hee hee...BWAHHHH!! You crack me up as usual!!!
90 posted on 08/10/2002 2:57:21 PM PDT by Neets
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To: DoughtyOne
Anyone know what joes real job is if he has one, besides being a anti-freak left wing nut.
91 posted on 08/10/2002 2:58:12 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: American Preservative
Thanks for the ping, I think, but I'm not just not interested in the drama behind the anti-Freepers -- or even FR for that matter.

Like Anna and Senator Pardek said: "It's just an Internet forum".

Seems that every time a group of people get organized, someone's always got to be the Liza Minnelli of the whole show.

Problem with the anti-Freepers is that they've all got the Liza Minnelli gene.

92 posted on 08/10/2002 2:59:24 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Jim Robinson
God bless and protect you guys, Jim. My concern is also this: with the recent post of personal info of member on FR in threads, was the same done to ChiefNegotiator? Do these people have that vile an agenda? If they can't bring it down with words, will they burn it down?

I talked in brief with John rob about this as well, in private. He is a very cautious, fair individual.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and those who have had their lives publicly exposed to these maniacs. Great job running FR.

93 posted on 08/10/2002 3:00:06 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Bob J
... it needs to be pointed out that nothing has been proven concerning this allegation. ... This investigation has not been completed so it would be unwise at this time to make any comments regarding culpability until all the facts are in.

Given the virulence of the attacks on your character and person, not to mention the entire FRN, I want to take this opportunity to offer my appreciation for your forebearance in making that statement. It is a tribute to your character, compassion, integrity and honor.

It might be worthwhile to remind everyone that not one...none of the allegations, mischaracterizations, and petty accusations against you and FR have been proven which are so brazenly displayed by the maggots infesting their new playground.

Now, will you please, really really please not give those sons of bitches any more of your time or courtesy...none of you deserve the kind of abuse they heap upon you. There are still a couple of us tired old anti-antis who don't mind getting down in the sewer with those clowns.

Of course you realize that they insist we are your lackeys, but I appreciate the reminder now and again that you and I disagree on just about every social and economic issue on the planet.

One place where we do not part company is on the disgust we feel for those who seek only to destroy that which they cannot control.

I'm glad JR took the initiative here and got this out on the table. He won't get any slack from the beta-gammas at Hamster afSS HQ, but hopefully those who truly love liberty and freedom will quietly turn their backs on the punks.

94 posted on 08/10/2002 3:01:00 PM PDT by harrowup
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To: Jim Robinson
Actually, I believe the existence of enemies is proof you're on the right tract. The fact that they have oozed into an amorphous organization, well that means you've got'm on the run. Congratulations!
95 posted on 08/10/2002 3:01:25 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks.
96 posted on 08/10/2002 3:01:32 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: TLBSHOW
I do not, but would submit that it's probably best that we not go there. If this should turn even uglier it would be best if they can't produce threads that talk about Joe's private life. If it weren't Joe it'd be some other loser. Let's deal with them genericly for the good of the cause.
97 posted on 08/10/2002 3:03:39 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Rebelbase
Those that post there from here are falling into the anti-freeper trap. Best to get away from there and let the anti's discuss their sickness with each other, anyways most of their threads have 0 comments unless it has to do with FR if that tells you something. The LP site is a failure and not conservative at all just a hate site filled with freakS. WITH NO LIFE!
98 posted on 08/10/2002 3:04:11 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Illbay; Jim Robinson
We used to have high-toned discussions on FR almost exclusively.

I joined FR recently, and have found the network to be extremely informative and lively. Perhaps, after 9-11, there has been a greater degree of emotional release through this venue, but this is impossible for me to say for I was not a member then. However, I have used this venue for this purpose, to be sure. I have seen, participated in, and enjoyed both high-tone discussion and rough-and tumble, emotionally charged debate here. I do not believe that emotionally motivated debate is inherently undesirable. For example, hate can be a constructive motivating force, if used for good, wouldn't you agree?

I have not been a member of the club for enough time to understand the situations that Jim has outlined, but I believe, from what I have experienced of the character of most members of FR, that whatever challenges are on the way, that FR will survive and grow as a force for good. I for one hope that spritely debate, including the occasional Curley eye gouge, will not become a casualty in the fight to stay on track in promoting conservative causes.

And thanks Jim, for a job well done.

99 posted on 08/10/2002 3:06:30 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Jim Robinson
." I will also ban any other FR members who get actively engaged in this attempt to bring down FR. "

As well you should.

Will you check out post #4 by BillyBoy? Here we go again...its all of us Conservatives having doubts about Bush's policies in some areas who are now trying to bring down FR and ruin JR! Will you please do something about these people? I love FR but I am tired of being attacked just because I'm not a BOT! THAT is what will bring down FR, not anti-Freepers, not disruptors etc. Those are easy to recognize. It's the Bot crowd's intolerance for any but their narrow view that will do it. Long live FR and JR!

100 posted on 08/10/2002 3:07:54 PM PDT by brat
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