Constitutionalist blames police for fatal shootout (shooting in Massillon, Ohio)

The Canton Repository (Ohio) ^ | August 13, 2002 | ED BALINT

[wimpycat]

You know what? I think Matthews' friends and fellow Constitutionalists are behaving over this incident just like the Muslim clerics in this country are behaving over the terrorist attacks. "We think killing is wrong, but....", or "we condemn the killing, but the Zionist pig dogs are persecuting us anyway and making us all out to be terrorists! They're the "real" bad guys!" From most of his ideological brethren (not all, but most) that's the sort of "condemnation" we've been hearing from Matthews' ideological brethren.

I think that anyone who shares Matthews' ideas about the Constitution should step up to the plate and unequivocally, unequivocally disavow themselves from any of Matthews' actions--including this b.s. about a traffic stop being unconstitutional. That would do their cause a lot more good than mewling and whining about "we don't KNOW what happened" and "two good men are dead",etc., etc.

[Catspaw]

I'm just saying that any traffic stop that involves Mrs. Class is going to be a veritable Cecil B. DeMille production, with Mrs. Class getting the honor of assuming the position.

I'd suggest Mrs. Class get a bicycle or walk from this point forward. A traffic stop involving Mrs. Class will be most unpleasant for her, especially because she openly expresses the thought that a cop should've been murdered because he dared pull someone over for speeding.

[Cultural Jihad]

I like how they showed such respect for the dead by dressing appropriately to go calling at a funeral home.

Maybe they were all gussied up.

[Kevin Curry]

These people ought to have to sit down with the dead police officer's children and explain to them just why it was "worth" killing their Daddy over the matter of a speeding ticket.

The really disturbing thing is, many of them would likely be more than willing to do just that. "Son, your dad deserved killing. If we let the government get away with enforcing little tyrannies, such as traffic tickets, pretty soon they'll have us all in chains, including you and your little sister. You wouldn't want that to happen, would you?"

[Cultural Jihad]

Apparently, Thomas Jefferson forgot to dot the "i" in "inalienable" and therefore no one really has a right to life, ipse dixit.

FreeRepublic should initiate a Claire Wolfe Test. Anyone who thinks that America is in an 'awkward stage' has no good business being here, period.

[Poohbah]

Naw, Claire Wolfe is at that awkward stage.

Specifically, that awkward stage we all go through before we are able to exercise a minimal degree of self-restraint.

[Poohbah]

Matthews, in the Texan vernacular, needed killin'.

Maybe so, cowboy. The problem, for these officers, is that he did some 'killin back' .... And do you think, perchance, that said "killin back" just MIGHT explain why he needed killin'?

Or is that just a wee bit to common-sense for you to understand?

[Catspaw]

Its unlikely that Betty is the only FReeper involved with these freaks. Assuming that they have any integrity (I know - its a mighty leap), I'd like anyone else that has been involved with them to step forward.

Hmmm, it's been almost an hour and so far, all you've gotten is silence.

[Poohbah]

A deafening silence.

[RGSpincich]

Exodus has some thoughts on the subject. Noticed your post on the other thread, ex. More discussion here.

[exodus]

Thanks, RGSpincich.

[Freemeorkillme]

Thank you, Copernicus.

You're statement needs to be reiterated on several other threads, and,IMHO, should be posted in a thread unto itself.

We do not exist in a vacuum. Let's not forget this important fact. There are those who are wittingly and unwittingly bringing the stench of ill-repute on Free Republic and her members which can lead the the effective destruction of all the positive results accomplished through this wonderful website by FReepers.

FReepers: Remain on guard for this behaviour and call it when you see it,

Freemeorkillme

[basil]

Actually you are correct--he did pick the hill on which he was willing to commit a murder--but don't you think he knew it would be a "suicide by police" also. I think he was hoping to become a martyr over this.

[american spirit]

FYI, there are now more than 60 million codes, rules, statutes, etc. now on the books which under closer examination we'd find 99.9% are unconstitutional. You need to do a little research on the nature of municipal gov'ts. which are mostly nothing more than corporations designed to create a flood of revenue from taxes, fees, permits, licenses, etc. and the reason the property rights movement is growing so fast is that mainstream America is waking up to realize that this statutory system of gov't. we now have is contrary to vision of our founding fathers.

[exodus]

To: dighton; one_particular_harbour; Orual; aculeus; Poohbah
"...Traffic stops, fireworks - these guys really know how to pick issues that resonate with the general population..."
# 22 by general_re

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Little things matter, general_re.

Remember Mayor Guliani's enforcement of "un-important" laws like jaywalking and parking violations? Enforcing those little laws produced an across the board decrease in all crime in New York.

Don Matthews didn't have a lot of money. As you can see from the picture, his friends don't have money either. There is no way that they could influence national policies. Things are different at the local level, and even at the State level.

The problem is that at the local level all you have a chance to influence is "un-important" issues. If you believe that the most important problem in our nation is that our government is abandoning the Constitution, where do you start your activism?

You would start with "little" things like making sure that your city operates according to Constitutional guidelines. Making sure that your "protectors" have actually promised to protect you. Educating other citizens about what's happening in the nation, and what they can do locally to help bring back Constitutional government to the nation as a whole.

You would educate even local government officials as to what their responsibilities entail, and if that doesn't work, bring cases to court to force local authorities to operate according to the law, even if the judge dismisses most of your seriously thought out Constitutional complaints on the grounds that they are "frivolous."

Don Matthews was a hero up until this firefight.

I don't know what happened between Matthews and the police. I don't know if Matthews snapped or the police provoked him so badly that he felt that he had to defend himself. I do know that police can lie, I do know that every city has some corrupt officials, I know that police have been known to find excuses to kill "troublemakers," and I know that once police have killed, city officials and judges have been known to help cover up the abuses of their friends.

I will not accept the word of these police without question.

[Catspaw]

FYI, there are now more than 60 million codes, rules, statutes, etc. now on the books which under closer examination we'd find 99.9% are unconstitutional.

In those 60 million codes, rules, statutes, etc. where does it say it's legal to kill a cop because you got stopped for speeding?

And why are 99.9% of these 60 million codes, rules, statutes, etc. unconstitutional? You can post your legal basis here, or just provide a link.