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Vines Spread, Choke Trees in Deepest Amazon Jungle
Reuters ^ | Wed Aug 14, 2:04 PM ET | Peter Graff

Posted on 08/14/2002 3:47:33 PM PDT by anymouse

Jungle vines are spreading faster in South America's Amazon rainforest than before, choking trees and potentially slowing the forests' ability to soak up damaging greenhouse gases, scientists say.

The spread of woody vines -- like the ones Tarzan swings from in the movies-- is the first change in plant composition that scientists have recorded in the deepest virgin jungle, and suggests mankind is having more impact on delicate ecosystems than previously shown.

A team of researchers from Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru and the United States, led by Oliver Phillips of Leeds University in Britain, counted and measured the vines, called lianas, in the primary rainforests of the Amazon.

They found that the "dominance" of lianas over trees had increased by between 1.7 and 4.6 per year over the last two decades of the twentieth century.

"It's the first time that a changing composition has been observed in mature forests," Phillips told Reuters in a telephone interview. His team's findings are to be published in the British science journal Nature on Thursday.

He said the growth in vines appeared to have been caused by greater concentrations of carbon dioxide, the "greenhouse" gas that most scientists believe is causing global temperatures to rise as a result of human activity.

Plants absorb carbon dioxide in photosynthesis and scientists have predicted that as humans produce more of the gas, forests would grow to soak some of it up, a phenomenon called the "carbon sink," which could help ease global warming).

But Phillips said the additional carbon appears to benefit resource-hungry vines more than slower-growing trees, throwing off the balance in jungle forests.

"What we think we were finding is the ecosystem responding, not just in growth but in a change in its composition. If you change an environmental driver like carbon dioxide concentration, some plants will do better than others," he said.

As the vines weigh down trees and kill them, they can reduce the ability of the forest to soak up more carbon, making the problem of global warming even worse.

Other plant and animal species are also likely to have been affected by the increase in vines relative to trees. Different insects may pollinate vines rather than trees, different birds may eat the insects, and so on.

"The ecosystem's connected. You change one part and other parts are likely to change too," Phillips said. "It's a kind of example of how we can't predict how the world is going to respond to the changes we're causing."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: amazon; climate; enviralists; environazies; environment; globalwarming; globalwhining
Isn't this rich. Now we are responsible for jungle vines growing too much in the Amazon. And what's more bizzar is that now a thriving Amazon is bad for the environment. These enviro-nazies can't even keep their story straight. These bozos don't even deserve to be called scientists.
1 posted on 08/14/2002 3:47:33 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: anymouse
Word on the dirt path has it, Earth First has been planting this vine for the past 4 years in hopes additional Amazon deforestation with further their environmental cause.

/mean_to_greens
2 posted on 08/14/2002 3:50:13 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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To: anymouse
and suggests mankind is having more impact on delicate ecosystems than previously shown.

Information seem a bit vague here. Wonder what caused them to draw this conclusion other than wishfull thinking? No suggstions of controlled CO2 absorption tests to sustain the CO2 stimulus idea.

3 posted on 08/14/2002 3:54:37 PM PDT by templar
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To: anymouse
Down South we have kudzu


4 posted on 08/14/2002 3:55:09 PM PDT by The Raven
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To: anymouse
He said the growth in vines appeared to have been caused by greater concentrations of carbon dioxide, the "greenhouse" gas that most scientists believe is causing global temperatures to rise as a result of human activity.

Not true - only those whose grant money depends on "further study" and those who are committed lefties on other issues as well.

5 posted on 08/14/2002 3:58:29 PM PDT by facedown
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To: anymouse
If you change an environmental driver like carbon dioxide concentration, some plants will do better than others," he said.

There are three problems with this. First of all, grass transfers carbon dioxide into oxygen better than trees. Choking of the trees would increase grass growth. Second, any plant that benefits more from carbon dioxide is more likely to be able to transfer it to oxygen-- perhaps not in every case, but there is a much higher probability. Third, Tarzan could use more vines, or he'll be stuck in Africa, and Africans don't want whites in their continent any more [at least not Mugabe].

6 posted on 08/14/2002 3:59:19 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: anymouse
KUDZU

The vine that ate the South




7 posted on 08/14/2002 4:01:07 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: Freemeorkillme
Earth First has been planting this vine for the past 4 years in hopes additional Amazon deforestation with further their environmental cause.

You kidding? Really? I'm willing to believe you might be right. They are downright nutty. But I'd need a good source on that.

8 posted on 08/14/2002 4:02:23 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Freemeorkillme
iEarth First has been planting this vine for the past 4 years in hopes additional Amazon deforestation with further their environmental cause.

Now THERE'S a good one for the tin foil hat brigade. What's your source?

9 posted on 08/14/2002 4:04:55 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: anymouse
"The spread of woody vines -- like the ones Tarzan swings from in the movies-"

Gee, Reuters. Golly. Thanks ever so much for the explanation of what these things called "vines" are.

Hey Reuters..........this is what's called "condescending bulls**t"; you know........like the kind we saw issuing from your buddy, Clinton, for years. Like that.

10 posted on 08/14/2002 4:06:05 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
While it sounds evil enough to be true and in line with Earth First's MO, it should have had the /sarcasm tag instead of the /mean_to_green tag following the post.

Rush says that all humor has some element of truth to it. There is some wisdom in that observation.

Regards,
11 posted on 08/14/2002 4:06:35 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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To: anymouse
Civilization must achieve progress. These vines are to Tarzan, what BART is to San Francisco.
12 posted on 08/14/2002 4:08:28 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: EggsAckley
Damn, I love Kudzu. When I was a kid I could hide all day in those patches.
13 posted on 08/14/2002 4:10:52 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: EggsAckley
Two words:

"na" and "palm"

14 posted on 08/14/2002 4:14:12 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: billhilly
Believe it or not, I'd never heard the word kudzu until last year. And I'm an avid reader and collector of words and trivia. Then in one day, I heard the word three times. That's when I looked it up on the net. Amazing stuff.
15 posted on 08/14/2002 4:15:59 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: RightOnline
huh? (having a blonde moment)
16 posted on 08/14/2002 4:17:36 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: anymouse
For crying out loud!! How is it that everything we as humans do adversly affects the earth? The tree huggers appear to subscribe to the survival of the fittest when it supports their political adgenda! Now the plants are adapting to their enviroment and that is not good enough! I have had it with the enviro-socialists blaming every change on earth on us humans. It is widely accepted that we are currently coming out of an ice age and of course the earth's climate is changing! The earth has been warming for hundreds of thousands of years prior to man's arrival! Sheesh!
17 posted on 08/14/2002 4:27:27 PM PDT by CAfraudPI
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To: EggsAckley
Kudzu. I just spent the past two days cleaning it out of my back yard. It seems like one week it wasn't there and the next one it was. It's a true Frankenstein Vine and apparently spreads from afar, because I have no source near me.
18 posted on 08/14/2002 4:27:33 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: RightOnline
I love the smell of burning environmentalists in the morning.
19 posted on 08/14/2002 4:28:10 PM PDT by goodieD
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To: anymouse; Avoiding_Sulla; Thinkin' Gal; Jeremiah Jr; babylonian; Prodigal Daughter; madfly
p;
>The spread of woody vines -- like the ones Tarzan swings from in the movies-- is the first change in plant composition that scientists have recorded in the deepest virgin jungle, and suggests mankind is having more impact on delicate ecosystems than previously shown.

Environmentalists are Satanists masquerading as normal people.  They want to kill people in large numbers per Agenda 21; see link below*!  The "media" is their lying member to deceive the deceived-sheeple into running to embrace their own death.

See Avoiding-Sulla's post here ~~  27 ~~~  *THE AXIS OF ENVIRONMENTAL EVIL

"The agenda of these Malthusian misanthropic megalomaniacs could not be more clear." ....AV

The gov't through NASA suggests today that smoke in China is the result of fires..."caused by man..."

What remedy might they suggest?  Kill the fires or have less people to start fires?  LIGHTNING caused most of the fires in Oregon.  G~d makes LIGHTNING!  Will they try to kill Him too?

There's a Holocaust coming!

20 posted on 08/14/2002 4:45:10 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: anymouse
I'm sure it's Bush's fault
21 posted on 08/14/2002 5:04:47 PM PDT by UB355
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To: *Enviralists
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
22 posted on 08/14/2002 5:06:28 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: EggsAckley
(.......a bit obtuse, I admit..........suggesting that the only way to rid that lovely, bucolic scene of the kudzu is a napalm run...........'course, won't do much for the cabin, but the kudzu WILL be gone.............for a while............)
23 posted on 08/14/2002 5:18:23 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: facedown
If you tell a liberal that gun control causes global warming, you can make his head explode.
24 posted on 08/14/2002 5:23:11 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Freemeorkillme
TY for the clarification. The more I learn about the wackos, the more I'm willing to consider anything as possible. FReegards....
25 posted on 08/14/2002 5:25:47 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Lazamataz
If you tell a liberal that gun control causes global warming, you can make his head explode.

Well, that would make for one messy defication. eeeeewwwwwww

26 posted on 08/14/2002 5:33:31 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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To: EggsAckley
I have secretly been cross breeding Kudzu and Marijuanna for
several years, now I have a plant that will not only stone you but take over your house.

Help, I can't get to the front door........But who cares........
27 posted on 08/14/2002 5:39:30 PM PDT by tet68
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To: tet68
LOL!
28 posted on 08/14/2002 5:41:53 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: anymouse
Wonder just which vines they are talking about?
Ayahuasca??? Hmmmmmmmm.
Could use some Banisteriopsis Caapi myself.
29 posted on 08/14/2002 5:44:50 PM PDT by tet68
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To: billhilly
"Damn, I love Kudzu. When I was a kid I could hide all day in those patches."

Just wait till 'Jap Grass' (Coogan grass) gets there.
(You'll be able to hide in Jap grass also, lol)

30 posted on 08/14/2002 5:46:18 PM PDT by blam
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To: billhilly
Funny but I don't remember Tarzan ponying up billions for a vine system that only allows transport between selected trees that don't happen to be near anywhere he wants to "hang out" at. :)

But then again many BART riders do seem to resemble Tarzan's vine swinging buddies. :) And they do seem to feel entitled to ride for free, subsidised by the rich (Tarzan being king of the jungle and all.)
31 posted on 08/14/2002 6:40:56 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: anymouse
Well!!!!

THAT would explain the sudden growth of wild grapevines in my woods!!!

Probably have to stop cutting the lawn and spewing all those globalwarming chemicals.

Wonder why I didn't think of that???
32 posted on 08/14/2002 6:42:29 PM PDT by ninenot
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If you tell a liberal that gun control causes global warming, you can make his head explode.

Telling them that flushing condems strangles sea turtles will drive them to apoplexy.

More amusing and much less messy.

33 posted on 08/14/2002 7:10:31 PM PDT by facedown
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To: facedown
condems=condumbs, my mistake.
34 posted on 08/14/2002 7:27:21 PM PDT by facedown
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To: 2sheep
They want to kill people in large numbers...

NOT that far fetched! Check out this site: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

I quote:

Phasing out the human race by voluntarily ceasing to breed will allow Earth's biosphere to return to good health. Crowded conditions and resource shortages will improve as we become less dense."May we live long and die out"

35 posted on 08/14/2002 7:41:17 PM PDT by justshe
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To: EggsAckley
Then in one day, I heard the word three times. That's when I looked it up on the net. Amazing

About a mile and a half from where I live, kudzu has completely swallered up a house where an old man lived until about a year ago.

On another subject, wouldn't these be "rainforest" vines, rather than "jungle" vines. After all, when jungles acquire a PC name like "rainforest", I think the Earthfirst vines should also be PC.

36 posted on 08/14/2002 7:47:51 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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esearchers discover trees in Amazon much older than assumed
(Not as helpful with global warming)
Today@UCI | December 8, 2005 | Staff
Posted on 12/13/2005 1:56:43 PM EST by DaveLoneRanger
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1539676/posts

Rain Forest Myth Goes Up in Smoke Over the Amazon
LA Times | Henry Chu
Posted on 06/08/2005 7:11:04 PM EDT by Coleus
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1419117/posts

Surprise: Rainforest Grows When It's Dry
LiveScience.com | 3/21/06
Posted on 03/21/2006 11:58:00 AM EST by anymouse
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600375/posts


37 posted on 05/14/2006 4:31:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: anymouse

the biomasss of the trees will absorb as much as a comprable mass of tree and maybe more.


38 posted on 05/14/2006 4:35:06 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: anymouse
Vines Spread, Choke Trees in Deepest Amazon Jungle

I guess nobody else was willing to dare the sound of rimshots, but here goes:
"But hey...it's a jungle out there!"
(even for the trees)
39 posted on 05/14/2006 4:38:02 PM PDT by VOA
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the archive bump.


40 posted on 05/14/2006 5:39:55 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: anymouse

My pleasure. "esearchers" was supposed to be "Researchers". ;')


41 posted on 05/14/2006 6:13:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Is an e-searcher a researcher of the Internet? ;)


42 posted on 05/14/2006 7:14:24 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: anymouse

Uh, I mean, yeah, that's exactly what I meant. ;')


43 posted on 05/14/2006 7:50:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Gritty

All parts are edible.


44 posted on 05/14/2006 8:03:16 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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