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Remember Ruby Ridge: Ten years later, there are still important lessons.
National Review Online ^ | August 21, 2002 | Timothy Lynch

Posted on 08/21/2002 7:35:39 AM PDT by xsysmgr

"Ruby Ridge" used to refer to a geographical location in the state of Idaho, but after an incident that took place there ten years ago today, the phrase has come to refer to a scandalous series of events that opened the eyes of many people to the inner workings of the federal government, including the vaunted Federal Bureau of Investigation. Now that ten years have passed, the feds will accelerate their ongoing effort to "move forward" and have the scandal declared "ancient history." But the Ruby Ridge episode should not be soon forgotten.

On August 21, 1992 a paramilitary unit of the U.S. Marshals Service ventured onto the 20-acre property known as Ruby Ridge. A man named Randy Weaver owned the land and he lived there with his wife, children, and a family friend, Kevin Harris. There was an outstanding warrant for Weaver's arrest for a firearms offense and the marshals were surveilling the premises. When the family dog noticed the marshals sneaking around in the woods, it began to bark wildly. Weaver's 14-year-old boy, Sammy, and Kevin Harris proceeded to grab their rifles because they thought the dog had come upon a wild animal.

A firefight erupted when a marshal shot and killed the dog. Enraged that the family pet had been cut down for no good reason, Sammy shot into the woods at the unidentified trespasser. Within a few minutes, two human beings were shot dead: Sammy Weaver and a marshal. Harris and the Weaver family retreated to their cabin and the marshals retreated from the mountain and called the FBI for assistance.

During the night, FBI snipers took positions around the Weaver cabin. There is no dispute about the fact that the snipers were given illegal "shoot to kill" orders. Under the law, police agents can use deadly force to defend themselves and others from imminent attack, but these snipers were instructed to shoot any adult who was armed and outside the cabin, regardless of whether the adult posed a threat or not. The next morning, an FBI agent shot and wounded Randy Weaver. A few moments later, the same agent shot Weaver's wife in the head as she was standing in the doorway of her home holding a baby in her arms. The FBI snipers had not yet announced their presence and had not given the Weavers an opportunity to peacefully surrender.

After an eleven-day standoff, Weaver agreed to surrender. The FBI told the world that it had apprehended a band of dangerous racists. The New York Times was duped into describing a family (two parents, three children) and one adult friend as "an armed separatist brigade." The Department of Justice proceeded to take over the case, charging Weaver and Harris with conspiracy to commit "murder." Federal prosecutors asked an Idaho jury to impose the death penalty. Instead, the jury acquitted Weaver and Harris of all of the serious criminal charges. Embarrassed by the outcome, FBI officials told the world that there would be a thorough review of the case, but the Bureau closed ranks and covered up the mess. FBI director Louis Freeh went so far as to promote one of the agents involved, Larry Potts, to the Bureau's number-two position.

When Weaver sued the federal government for the wrongful death of his wife and son, the government that had tried to kill him twice now sought an out-of-court settlement. In August 1995 the U.S. government paid the Weaver family $3.1 million. On the condition that his name not be used in an article, one Department of Justice official told the Washington Post that if Weaver's suit had gone to trial in Idaho, he probably would have been awarded $200 million.

With the intervening events at Waco, more and more people began to question the veracity of Department of Justice and FBI accounts and whether the federal government had the capacity to hold its own agents accountable for criminal misconduct. Like the Watergate scandal, however, the response to the initial illegality turned out to be even more shocking and disturbing.

When an FBI supervisor, Michael Kahoe, admitted to destroying evidence and obstructing justice, he was eventually prosecuted but only after being kept on the FBI payroll until his 50th birthday — so that he would be eligible for his retirement pension. And when Larry Potts was finally forced into retirement, FBI officials flew into Washington from around the country for his going-away bash. Those officials claimed to be on "official business" so they billed the taxpayers for the trip. After the fraud was leaked to the press by some anonymous and apparently sickened FBI agent, the merry band of partygoers were not discharged from service. Instead, a letter was placed in their personnel file, chiding them for "inattention to detail."

An Idaho prosecutor did bring manslaughter charges against the FBI sniper who shot Vicki Weaver. That move really outraged the feds because they insisted that they were capable of policing their own — so long as they did not have any outside "interference."

The Department of Justice was so disturbed by the indictment of its agent that they dispatched the solicitor general to a federal appellate court to argue that the charges should be dismissed. (The solicitor general ordinarily only makes oral argument to the Supreme Court). The solicitor general told the judicial panel that even if the evidence supported the charges, the case should be thrown out because "federal law enforcement agents are privileged to do what would otherwise be unlawful if done by a private citizen." The appeals court rejected that sweeping argument for a license to kill, but by the time that ruling came down last June, a new local prosecutor was in office in Boundary County, Idaho, and he announced that it was time to put this whole unpleasant episode behind us and to "move on." Thus, the criminal case against the sniper was dropped.

A new generation of young people who have never heard of Ruby Ridge are now emerging from the public-school system and are heading off to college and will thereafter begin their careers in business, education, journalism, government, and other fields. This generation will find it hard to fathom that the federal government could have killed a boy and an unarmed woman and then tried to deceive everyone about what had actually occurred and, in some instances, rationalize what did occur. That is why it is important to remember Ruby Ridge. Someone needs to remind the young people (and everyone else) that it really did happen — and that it will happen again if the government is not kept on a short leash. No one will learn about the incident when they tour the FBI facility in Washington. It goes unmentioned for some reason.

— Timothy Lynch is director of the Cato Institute's Project on Criminal Justice.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: banglist; fbi; geopolitics; govwatch; nwo; rubyridge
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1 posted on 08/21/2002 7:35:40 AM PDT by xsysmgr
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I can't read the whole thing. It still is so infuriating. Randy seems to have been bought off, too. He won't say anything about the BATF anymore.
2 posted on 08/21/2002 7:43:11 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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WHACKED-OUT government hating KOOK alert!!!
4 posted on 08/21/2002 7:58:00 AM PDT by Johnny Shear
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To: xsysmgr
The solicitor general told the judicial panel that even if the evidence supported the charges, the case should be thrown out because "federal law enforcement agents are privileged to do what would otherwise be unlawful if done by a private citizen."

Pretty much sums up the opinion of our government on many issues.
5 posted on 08/21/2002 7:58:35 AM PDT by steve50
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To: xsysmgr; *bang_list; Ajnin; Joe Brower; Badray; chuknospam; Concentrate; GeorgeWBiscuit; ...
The "solicitor general" told the judicial panel that even if the evidence supported the charges, the case should be thrown out because "federal law enforcement agents are privileged to do what would otherwise be unlawful if done by a private citizen."

Guys, The top court lawyer of federal godgov, actually argues in court that citizens of the U.S. of A. are NOT guaranteed "equal Protection under the law", as is guaranteed in Amendment 14, section one, last sentence. Incompetence????? I think{?} NOT!!! Peace and love, George.
7 posted on 08/21/2002 8:05:38 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: Johnny Shear
WHACKED-OUT government hating KOOK alert!!!

Nothing of substance to add here either?

8 posted on 08/21/2002 8:07:06 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I met R. Weaver a couple years ago. Along with his new wife. I think he wants to put the past behind him. Who could blame him after losing half his family? His book offered some details I was not aware of. A couple of rather grim ones...
9 posted on 08/21/2002 8:16:05 AM PDT by donozark
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To: Johnny Shear
WHACKED-OUT government hating KOOK alert!!!

Indeed, and if you want to join us I suggest you read our official KOOK document. It is full of insidious language and revolutionary words that actually assert the preposterous idea that the government exists by the consent of the people. You know, words like "unalienable rights," "liberty," "due process," "unreasonable search and seizure," and "limited government." It's called the Constitution of the United States of America.

I suggest that you read it.

10 posted on 08/21/2002 8:21:54 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
That would defy his code of self imposed ignorance.
11 posted on 08/21/2002 8:25:41 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: Johnny Shear
Personally your the one who is whacked out. We all need to remember this and understand what the government and the alphabet soup agencies are capable of.

Semper Fi!
12 posted on 08/21/2002 8:27:38 AM PDT by dd5339
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
Guys, The top court lawyer of federal godgov, actually argues in court that citizens of the U.S. of A. are NOT guaranteed "equal Protection under the law", as is guaranteed in Amendment 14, section one, last sentence. Incompetence????? I think{?} NOT!!!

Peace and love, George.

No worries, mate.

Turn about is fair play

13 posted on 08/21/2002 8:30:02 AM PDT by archy
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park; All
Return to Ruby Ridge-- SNAFU? Or Summary Execution?
14 posted on 08/21/2002 8:30:34 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Johnny Shear
Weaver may have been a kook, but it gave the feds no right to shoot his wife in the head. Me thinks you're a disruptor.
15 posted on 08/21/2002 8:39:28 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Johnny Shear
"WHACKED-OUT government hating KOOK alert!!!"

Run along Johnny. I'm sure your government needs your services elsewhere.

16 posted on 08/21/2002 8:51:39 AM PDT by Lloyd227
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To: Johnny Shear
WHACKED-OUT government hating KOOK alert!!!

And too, those of us in the military loyal to our oaths to support the Constitution of the United States, not the government when it becomes one of the enemies of that constitution.

But we're already on the alert....

-archy-/-

17 posted on 08/21/2002 9:16:13 AM PDT by archy
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To: xsysmgr
Good read and important post. Bet this won't make the nightly news casts.
18 posted on 08/21/2002 9:18:56 AM PDT by cebadams
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To: jjm2111
Weaver may have been a kook, but it gave the feds no right to shoot his wife in the head. Me thinks you're a disruptor.

I'll try to reply to your about me in a sane fassion....Simply because my comment was inflamatory. But, it's my honest opinion, just so you know.....

I let a LOT of this Ruby Ridge and Waco stuff pass simply because this is not my site. But, every once in a while I voice my opinion....

I am no disruptor....I have voted straight ticket Republican for 20 years and I don't see that ever changing. I am just tired of being associated with what I call "Whacked-Out Kooks". Or, anyone who supports the likes of the FREAKS at Waco (David Koresh and his Jim Jones Kool-Aid Drinking Death Cult Members) and Ruby Ridge.

I truely believe that if the dead people in these cases (Or in this case Randy Weaver) would have NOT been "Whacked-Out Kooks", they would be alive today. Therefore, it is THEIR fault that things turned-out badly for them. NOT the big bad mean government.

And believe me....Any "Disruptor" WOULDN'T come here and bash Weaver and Koresh fans. Simply becuse those kind of people both embarrass and hurt Republicans/Conservatives. Just like supporters of Cynthia McKinney hurt Democrats/Liberals because of their EXTREME views.

I hold these WHACKED-OUT KOOOKS in the same contempt that I do Cynthia McKinney. I am a Republican (More of a Republican than a Conservative, to be honest) and I am TIRED of being grouped with these people so once in a while, I speak up. There you have it.....Believe me or not....

19 posted on 08/21/2002 9:26:03 AM PDT by Johnny Shear
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To: xsysmgr
Let's not forget what was the firearm charge that led to this mess.

The feds wanted Weaver to go undercover and get dirt on the Aryan Nations folks (he attended a barbecue one time with the Aryan Nations folks and didn't like them and never had anything to do with them again) so they came to him and asked him to saw off their shotgun to a less than legal length.

He was in financial straights and having trouble feeding his family. After first saying no they kept up the pressure and he relented; sort of.

He sawed off the shotgun but not below the legal length (or so he thought). The govt./prosecutors have a different defenition of length than the avg. person. They open the top break on the shotgun and and now that the shotgun is shaped like this ^ they measure from the butt to the end of the barrel.

The distance is now shorter and illegal.

That is how they got him on a weapons charge.

They immediately start pushing for him to go undercover and he refuses.

They charge him and a court date is set. (this is where my memory gets a little grey) I believe his court date was changed (moved up) and when he didn't find out he of course didn't show up.

That's how you go from having a hungry family in the woods to having snipers shoot your wife in the face and facing the death penalty.
20 posted on 08/21/2002 9:29:33 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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