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Philippines - Two Jehovah's Witnesses hostages decapitated by Abu Sayyaf
AFP via Babelfish translation ^ | August 21, 2002

Posted on 08/21/2002 5:54:16 PM PDT by HAL9000

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To: knighthawk
Thanks for the ping.
151 posted on 08/23/2002 4:52:54 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: knighthawk
I'm sure plenty of "moderate" Muslims think these two folks had a beheading comin'.

Not only are they impertinent infidels for having the temerity for peacefully preaching
a message contrarty to Islam...
these were DECADENT infidels, trying to indoctrinate Muslims into the eeevvviiilll
habit of using Avon cosmetics.

Surely beheading is a compassionate Islamic response to such a bald-faced attempt to
seduce Muslimas into using cosmetics. Even if their husbands would be the only
ones to ever see them.

(end sarcasm)
152 posted on 08/23/2002 7:53:58 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Allrightnow; andy_card; Diamond
Many thanks to all of you for an interesting and intelligent discussion. Andy, are you an athiest? Because atheism is no more of a logical conclusion than is theism --atheism is a wholehearted belief in the absence of God or gods. It seems to me that the only logical belief is agnosticism, i.e., I don't have enough information to know whether or not there's a god. How can the organisms in our earth's petri dish possibly know what lies beyond the laboratory?

That said, I believe...but I acknowledge that it's possible I'm wrong.
153 posted on 08/23/2002 9:25:37 AM PDT by ellery
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To: ellery
Andy, are you an athiest? Because atheism is no more of a logical conclusion than is theism --atheism is a wholehearted belief in the absence of God or gods. It seems to me that the only logical belief is agnosticism, i.e., I don't have enough information to know whether or not there's a god. How can the organisms in our earth's petri dish possibly know what lies beyond the laboratory?

I am an atheist. Can I prove that God doesn't exist? No, just as you cannot prove that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. But we don't have to. Because the existence of God is entirely unnecessary, and is fully explained by the human desire to explain what cannot be explained.

154 posted on 08/23/2002 9:41:47 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: ellery
It seems to me that the only logical belief is agnosticism, i.e., I don't have enough information to know whether or not there's a god.

To the extent that "I don't have enough information" is a characterization of the external world and not merely an expression of personal doubt, then it is just as much a claim of knowledge about reality as is atheism. But unless one has searched everywhere, one cannot be certain that there really is not enough information to know whether or not there's a God." Thus, the agnostic can never be certain that his self-professed ignorance and skepticism is justified.

Cordially,

155 posted on 08/23/2002 9:49:30 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Diamond
One cannot be certain that there really is not enough information to know whether or not there's a God." Thus, the agnostic can never be certain that his self-professed ignorance and skepticism is justified. Agreed. That's why I carefully said "I don't have enough information to logically determine whether god exists," rather than "the information does not exist to determine whether god exists." My personal opinion is that he does, and that forests and babies and happy dogs and cats and big skies are proof of it. It's just that since we're part of the miracle, it's impossible for us to objectively assess other parts of the same miracle -- kinda like one cell doesn't have the capacity to understand the body as a whole.
156 posted on 08/23/2002 11:34:28 AM PDT by ellery
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To: HAL9000
The removal was carried out by the men of the gang directed by a local head.....

Huh?????

157 posted on 08/23/2002 11:39:16 AM PDT by ALASKA
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To: andy_card
Well, you can't prove a negative, that's true. Indeed, one explanation for God is that humans need to believe he exists. But another explanation is that he does exist. How can you be sure that the former is true, but not the latter? There seems to me to be no more scientific (in the way we understand science, anyway) proof against his existence than there is for it.

Nietzsche: God is dead.
God: Nietzsche is dead.

HEEE!
158 posted on 08/23/2002 11:39:40 AM PDT by ellery
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To: savedbygrace
LOL - I saw that too - but had to head out before I could post it.
159 posted on 08/24/2002 7:58:11 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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