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Philippines - Two Jehovah's Witnesses hostages decapitated by Abu Sayyaf
AFP via Babelfish translation ^ | August 21, 2002

Posted on 08/21/2002 5:54:16 PM PDT by HAL9000

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To: TLBSHOW
Here is the deal, Islam is the enemy and Islam is who we are war with. Terrorist killers = ISLAM

Here's the deal. Terrorists are the enemy and terrorists will say and do anything to justify their actions. Islam is also practiced by a peaceful nation, Turkey, a member of NATO who is not hung up about recognizing Israel or Israel's right to exist. Since the terrorists purport to follow Islam, and since Turkey follows Islam your obsession with putting all of Islam under one umbrella is flawed.

51 posted on 08/21/2002 7:06:10 PM PDT by Utopia
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To: scotiamor
" Islamic text details Mohammed married a girl when she was 6 and had sex with her when she was 9. "

I haven't' heard that. Do you have a reference?

52 posted on 08/21/2002 7:07:55 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: Utopia
Yeah, seems like Turkey is the only "Islamic" country without the death-to-all-non-Islamic-faiths attitude.
54 posted on 08/21/2002 7:10:40 PM PDT by The Toad
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To: Utopia
I said here is the deal, Islam is the enemy.

Unless we grow the guts to stop the enemy which is islam, we will never be safe from the terrorist.
55 posted on 08/21/2002 7:11:00 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Terriergal
from your link

Based upon the foregoing, it seems to me that “malicious propaganda about Islam and Muslims” would be to call it a religion of peace and love. Muslims, like Klingons, clearly honor intolerance and destruction. Therefore, allow me to be among those who do not malign Islam, and state with all assuredness that it is a religion of hatred and war! Can I get an Amen brothers and sisters?



56 posted on 08/21/2002 7:12:32 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
Islam is a corporate exercise in self-nihilism that seeks to impose nihilism upon all others, be it physical or spiritual.

The best way to be cured of Islam, logically, is to expedite their own nihilism before they can impose it upon others.

57 posted on 08/21/2002 7:16:03 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Bogey78O
Issue a bouty for their heads. Not their capture or tips. Their heads. Dead. No more. Ex-Islamicists. You get the idea.

Sort of "a head for a head."

58 posted on 08/21/2002 7:19:31 PM PDT by ncpastor
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To: TLBSHOW
Unless we grow the guts to stop the enemy which is islam, we will never be safe from the terrorist.

Sorry - I can't debate with so much hate. I've mentioned Turkey 3,4 maybe 5 times now, and you just return the "death to Islam" mantra. You remind me of the mindless illiterates chanting "death to America". There's no logic to such hate filled bile.

I for one, have no problem go after terrorists. But putting Turkey in the same group as the others is beyond ignorant. I know your response. it will be the automatic... "Death to Islam" without any measured thoughts at all. (There haven't been any up until now.) Sorry. You bore me. Bye.

59 posted on 08/21/2002 7:19:39 PM PDT by Utopia
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To: Utopia
I don't debate this subject

Islam is the enemy a false religion and very cult like.

There is one God and its not Islams false God!
60 posted on 08/21/2002 7:23:33 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: All
I as much as anyone on this forum can appreciate sick humor, so if I can refrain from joking about this horrific event, so can everyone else. This is a plea, not a demand, so please don't call me an @$$h0LE.
61 posted on 08/21/2002 7:27:07 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: HAL9000
The Abu Sayyaf has often kidnapped for ransom but more frequently has abducted poor Filipinos, mostly Christians, to serve for weeks or months as slave labor.

These evil people just screwed up royally.

62 posted on 08/21/2002 7:28:41 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Utopia
Islamic Terrorist Activities in Turkey in the 1990s

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The History of the “Islamic Movement” in Turkey.[11]

The Islamic subversive and terrorist activity in Turkey began in the 1960s. As early as 1967 and 1973 the leaders of Hizb ut-Tahrir (Islamic Liberation Party) were imprisoned for attempting “to bring the Islamic State Constitution to Turkey.”[12] Islamic Jihad appeared as a real terrorist threat in the 1980s, after a series of assassinations of Jordanian, Saudi and Iraqi diplomats. In October 1991 Islamic Jihad took responsibility for killing an American sergeant and wounding an Egyptian diplomat to protest the Middle East peace conference in Madrid.[13] For many years it was assumed that this group was a Lebanese Shiite terrorist organization, until it was discovered that a Turkish branch existed, engaging in assassinations of secular intellectuals.



63 posted on 08/21/2002 7:29:39 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Dawgs of War
Another comment like that and you'll be out of here.
64 posted on 08/21/2002 7:29:57 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: TLBSHOW
http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=102
65 posted on 08/21/2002 7:30:19 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
ITS NOT A RELIGION

Looks like a religion to me. It just hasn't been domesticated and rendered toothless like the world's other major religions.

66 posted on 08/21/2002 7:32:26 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
So all that is needed is a tall mountain and a good mind for fiction and you too can have a religion?
67 posted on 08/21/2002 7:34:47 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Mark17
Islam is a serious, evil, horrible, cancerous mental disorder.

So is liberalism. However, liberals prefer to accomplish their slaughter through the actions of others, or through the spreading of plagues, destruction of economies, perversion of the justice system, etc., etc., rather than face-to-face.

68 posted on 08/21/2002 7:40:39 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: TLBSHOW
What would you say qualifies a set of beliefs as a religion?
69 posted on 08/21/2002 7:41:11 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: Utopia
Unfortunately, I read yesterday that the secular government of Turkey may not last long. The fundamentalist Islamics are leading 19-11% in the polls over the current moderate government. If Turkey's secular gov't falls, it would be a severe blow to the war on terrorism and to the chances for muslim nations worldwide to become normal states.
70 posted on 08/21/2002 7:42:02 PM PDT by BushMeister
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To: TLBSHOW; Cyrano
I take issue with your statement about Klingons.
71 posted on 08/21/2002 7:51:59 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: TLBSHOW
er... *HIS* statement about Klingons. Klingons are much more tolerant.
72 posted on 08/21/2002 7:53:05 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: ambrose
Amazing... I take a few months off from the FR, and it appears these Islamic maniacs are still at it.

Yes they are, and I am heading to Mindanao soon myself. I am not going to Zamboanga, however, or Jolo, or Basilan, or Tawitawi.

73 posted on 08/21/2002 8:01:26 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: AdamSelene235
truth
74 posted on 08/21/2002 8:02:26 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: HAL9000
Christians are the persecuted of the earth. On a related note, any FReepers who were outraged over the radio "prank" which used public airwaves to solicited participants for live sex in the St. Patrick's Catholic church, please email the FCC and tell them to REVOKE the broadcasting license of this station.FCC:
FCCinfo@fcc.gov
75 posted on 08/21/2002 8:31:29 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: Bogey78O
Their heads are in their booties!
76 posted on 08/21/2002 8:47:10 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: TLBSHOW
Here is the deal, Islam is the enemy and Islam is who we are war with. Terrorist killers = ISLAM

Oh wise one, how would one go about defeating Islam? Exactly.

I think its past your bedtime. Let the grownups handle international relations.

77 posted on 08/21/2002 8:48:49 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: Utopia
And what's your point? Britain also was in imminent danger. How can you blame Churchill for looking out for his own country's immediate self-interest, even if it meant screwing the Aussies and forcing them to align (forever as it turned out) with the United States instead. Countries act in their own self-interest, not in the interests of humanity at large, and certainly not to help a former penal colony half a world away when their own continued existance is on the line.
78 posted on 08/21/2002 8:53:30 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: TLBSHOW
truth

Great. The radical muslims say the same thing.

79 posted on 08/21/2002 9:03:37 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: The Toad
Yeah, seems like Turkey is the only "Islamic" country without the death-to-all-non-Islamic-faiths attitude.

How about Egypt? There were once a few of those crazies (Ayman al Zawahiri for example, and the goons who killed the German tourists), but those unlucky enough to stay in the country have met most unfortunate ends. The country as a whole is secular and advanced. While anti-Israel sentiment prevails, it is stricly from a pan-Arabist point of view, and not because of any Islamic fundie doctrine.

Bosnia, too, is a great example. The Muslims there are about as observant as your typical French "Catholic" is. The war there in the 1990s had nothing at all to do with religious teachings, and everything to do with ethnicity and power politics.

80 posted on 08/21/2002 9:04:56 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: TLBSHOW
Islam is the enemy a false religion and very cult like.

Well, from my point of view, all religions are equally false. But why do you say Islam is a cult? Isn't the definition of a cult a religion you don't approve of? Sort of like "freedom fighters" are terrorists you do approve of.

There is one God and its not Islams false God!

Hmm... Should we declare war on India? 200 million Indians are Islamic, and most of the rest believe in a great plethora of gods (all of whom, presumably, you would consider false).

81 posted on 08/21/2002 9:08:26 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
Simple really, define the enemy (islam) and then destroy it.
82 posted on 08/21/2002 9:13:59 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: HAL9000
supposed islamists of the group Abu Sayaf

Now what is that supposed to mean? The Abu Sayyaf are nothing more than a gang of thugs who like kidnapping for ransom and decapitation. It's a pity they've survived.

83 posted on 08/21/2002 9:15:48 PM PDT by altair
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To: OldFriend
But it was just last night James Carvile was saying how much he loved the muslims.

Well, off with his head then.

>just kidding<

84 posted on 08/21/2002 9:17:57 PM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: TLBSHOW
Simple really, define the enemy (islam) and then destroy it.

Thank you. You rephrased your previous sentence admirably. Now please tell me how you'd go about "destroying" Islam.

85 posted on 08/21/2002 9:24:56 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: altair
Now what is that supposed to mean? The Abu Sayyaf are nothing more than a gang of thugs who like kidnapping for ransom and decapitation. It's a pity they've survived.

Which is exactly why they're notIslamists. While they are Muslim, there goal is simply to make money through piracy, kidnapping and other nasty stuff. It isn't to advance Islam or defeat Christianity or anything of any wider sort. They have no political agenda. They need to be destroyed, but in this case, their religion is purely coincidental.

86 posted on 08/21/2002 9:27:34 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: Dawgs of War
Mind your manners, son.
87 posted on 08/21/2002 9:30:41 PM PDT by Militiaman7
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To: templar
While we have the cult of Hollywood that persecutes Christians and leaves Islam alone.
88 posted on 08/21/2002 9:31:57 PM PDT by oyez
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To: oyez
While we have the cult of Hollywood that persecutes Christians and leaves Islam alone.

The NAACP and ADL should hang their heads in shame, because nobody, not nobody, has a persecution complex like you fundies have a persecution complex.

89 posted on 08/21/2002 9:45:52 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
I would subdivide the problem (islam) up front and then I would attack it in small parts and pieces to win.

There can be a bunch of parts attacked at the same time this way.

90 posted on 08/21/2002 9:54:55 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
I would subdivide the problem (islam) up front and then I would attack it in small parts and pieces to win. There can be a bunch of parts attacked at the same time this way.

Um, ok. Now stop trolling and actually give a substantive answer this time. How would you "destroy" Islam?

91 posted on 08/21/2002 10:02:13 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
the only troll is you here tonight and the answer I gave in post 90 you should of understood and would not of needed to look the fool and ask again. LOL

is this really your profile? What is up with that Andy?

andy_card signed up 2002-07-12.


Location: McLean

Why are you looking at my profile? I'm just another fiercely anti-ideological pragmatic neo-conservative atheist. I welcome all hate freepmail.




92 posted on 08/21/2002 10:08:31 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: andy_card
Which is exactly why they're notIslamists.

Agreed. They are also not separatists like certain other Islamic groups in that area.

93 posted on 08/21/2002 10:19:12 PM PDT by altair
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To: TLBSHOW
I'm trying to contain my laughter. This is almost a textbook case of how not to conduct a debate.

If I recall correctly, first, you talked about fighting a war on Islam. So I asked you how you intended to do that. You said you meant to destroy Islam. So I asked you again how you intended to do that. So you said you would destroy each section of Islam in turn. So I asked you again how you intended to do that. Now you're attacking me.

Am I the only one here going "Huh?" If you have some secret plan that would "destroy" the second largest religion in the world, I'd be interested in hearing it. Otherwise, you're just trolling.

94 posted on 08/21/2002 10:22:38 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: TLBSHOW
But he's correct. The Abu Sayyaf are neither religious nor political. They're thugs who kidnap for a living and enjoy decapitation on the side. Back when the Burnhams were first kidnapped I posted an article here detailing how they use decapitation as a rite of initiation to the gang.
95 posted on 08/21/2002 10:24:27 PM PDT by altair
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To: altair
So when they did it to danny pearl that was just thugs too?
96 posted on 08/21/2002 10:28:28 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: andy_card
Who you calling a fundie? You just came over her to boost your adrenalin. I won't contribute to your fun. G'nite.
97 posted on 08/21/2002 10:32:11 PM PDT by oyez
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To: Billthedrill; Travis McGee; Grampa Dave; harpseal; AAABEST; pocat; SLB
I think we have a quote of the day winner here .........:o)

LMAO !! Stay Safe Bill !

98 posted on 08/21/2002 10:43:10 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: andy_card
"If the beheaded Jehovah's Witnesses had only accepted blood transfusions, they would surely have recovered.

Easy to joke with the hopes, dreams and faith of another's life, isn't it?

99 posted on 08/21/2002 10:44:30 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Utopia
Turkey is a SECULAR nation by law, where most of the citizens practice a mild form of Islam.

Go get yourself an education, then come back, or lurk a while before showing your ignorance.

100 posted on 08/21/2002 10:50:32 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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