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I Am No Longer A Conservative
Toogood Reports ^ | August 21, 2002 | Cuck Baldwin

Posted on 08/21/2002 7:00:41 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator

At one time, I was proud to call myself a conservative. No more. I would even argue that conservatives are as much responsible for the political and cultural deterioration of our country as liberals. That means Republicans share as much blame for the downward spiral of our nation as Democrats. People who believe they are voting for a substantive change of direction by voting for either major party are kidding themselves. Both liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, are heading in the same direction.

The pattern goes something like this: Democrats (liberals) use the power of political office to spearhead socialist, internationalist policies. This is accomplished over the vocal objections of grassroots conservatives. The resulting dissatisfaction with the liberal agenda usually translates into Republicans being elected to public office.

Once Republicans (conservatives) are in office, however, they do nothing to reverse the socialist policies that the liberals instituted. Instead, they set about to normalize or legitimize those policies. After all, Republicans are all about conserving the status quo; and for the past 40 years, the status quo has been incessant, burgeoning socialism. Therefore, instead of instituting a radical return to constitutional governance, conservatives actually harden the cement of socialism that has been laid by liberals.

Unfortunately, rank and file conservatives seem more than willing to accept an increase of socialism, internationalism, and liberalism as long as Republicans are overseeing it. Conservatives seem totally oblivious to the ominous direction of the country when Republicans are in charge. As a result, conservatives and liberals, Democrats and Republicans, are working together to take America further and further down the road of socialism.

With little distinction from Democrats in the actual governing policy of Republicans, liberals are soon reinstalled to public office, and the cycle repeats itself. This has been the redundant pattern in our country for the past half century.

Therefore, as someone who stands foursquare on the principles laid down in our founding documents, I refuse to be identified as a conservative any longer. Instead, call me a constitutionalist. I am convinced that the only chance that freedom and independence have of surviving the next 50 years is by a radical return to constitutional government. The status quo must go!

Only an awakened electorate who are fed up with the constant capitulation of constitutional principles by the two major parties and who are willing to courageously crusade for genuine change will be capable of actually preserving this republic for their posterity. Anything short of this will only result in a continued drift toward socialism and globalism.


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Chuck,

Try the term TAR for Tenth Admendment Republican

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Either way, I am with you.

1 posted on 08/21/2002 7:00:41 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator
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To: VRW Conspirator
What's "Cuck" short for?
2 posted on 08/21/2002 7:04:24 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: VRW Conspirator
There are times where I think about dropping the "conservative" label and calling myself an Americanist. It seems the name conservative has been co-opted by people who were liberals during the days of the New Deal, Fair Deal, Great Frontier and Great Society and jumped ship when they didn't want to be identified with the pot smoking monsters they helped create.
3 posted on 08/21/2002 7:05:17 PM PDT by Commander8
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To: VRW Conspirator
"There is nothing new under the sun."

en·tro·py   Pronunciation Key  (ntr-p)
n. pl. en·tro·pies

  1. Symbol S For a closed thermodynamic system, a quantitative measure of the amount of thermal energy not available to do work.
  2. A measure of the disorder or randomness in a closed system.
  3. A measure of the loss of information in a transmitted message.
  4. The tendency for all matter and energy in the universe to evolve toward a state of inert uniformity.
  5. Inevitable and steady deterioration of a system or society.

4 posted on 08/21/2002 7:05:31 PM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch
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To: VRW Conspirator
How about passing around the lithium carbonate, or maybe we just all move BACK to El Paso where we can get it free in the drinking water.
5 posted on 08/21/2002 7:06:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: VRW Conspirator
Can't really argue with this on merit. Of course the media types have already demonized constitutionalists as being wacko-extremist ultra-conservatives.
6 posted on 08/21/2002 7:09:03 PM PDT by subterfuge
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To: Chi-townChief
"What's "Cuck" short for? "

Arles
7 posted on 08/21/2002 7:10:02 PM PDT by subterfuge
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To: VRW Conspirator
I am with you my good man.

To make it happen we must educate our young to the principles of limited government and unfettered markets.

A near impossible task as long as we have government schools and the National Education Association.
8 posted on 08/21/2002 7:10:40 PM PDT by BADJOE
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To: Commander8
"pot smoking monsters "

OMG! Where are they?! I haven't seen any but I want to avoid the PSMs at all costs!!!
9 posted on 08/21/2002 7:11:31 PM PDT by subterfuge
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To: goldenboy
I think you're on the wrong board goldenboy. Where did you cut-and-paste that from?
11 posted on 08/21/2002 7:15:01 PM PDT by subterfuge
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To: VRW Conspirator
Welcome to the dark side, Chuck! Someone else who just realized that the difference between Democrats and Republicans is two percentage points separating the rates of federal government growth supported by the parties.
12 posted on 08/21/2002 7:16:03 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: VRW Conspirator
Once Republicans (conservatives) are in office...

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Few Republicans are conservatives. Most people calling themselves conservatives aren't even conservatives.

13 posted on 08/21/2002 7:16:04 PM PDT by RLK
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To: VRW Conspirator
At one time, I was proud to call myself a conservative. No more

So what are calling yourself now?

I still consider myself a (constitutional) conservative, but no longer think the current gutless crop of GOP party leaders are speaking the same language as I am.

Fear not, though, it seems the far left Looney wing of the jackass party is no longer able to fool the general population.

I believe you will see a lot more centrist enter into politics from both sides of the coin. That's why you are seeing less difference.

Whether that is good or bad, time will only tell.

14 posted on 08/21/2002 7:16:32 PM PDT by JZoback
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To: VRW Conspirator
Nothing in the American Constitution prevents Americans from electing socialist politicians and governments. It's ridiculous to blame conservatives for this state of affairs because they voted for politicians who promised to roll back the state but then reneged. I say blame those POLITICIANS (who are mostly RINOs).
15 posted on 08/21/2002 7:17:06 PM PDT by Ipberg
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To: VRW Conspirator
Instead, call me a constitutionalist.

Self nullification....why leave it to someone else.

16 posted on 08/21/2002 7:18:51 PM PDT by Consort
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To: VRW Conspirator
Chuck nails it. Thanks for the post.
17 posted on 08/21/2002 7:20:43 PM PDT by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: VRW Conspirator
People who believe they are voting for a substantive change of direction by voting for either major party are kidding themselves.

Correct. Republicans are not even successful in maintaining the status quo- inflating federal education, pushing socialized prescription drugs to name a few. Despite this, there is a substantial difference in the court appointments. The Supreme Court is the last hope in curbing the track to socialism and the expansion of the federal government. The replacements for O'Connor, Rehnquist, Stevens, and Ginsburg are vital.

19 posted on 08/21/2002 7:24:41 PM PDT by Fast 1975
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To: VRW Conspirator
There's a world of difference between a Conservative and a Republican. At least, in my book there is.

I don't blame Chuck for wanting to eschew Republicanism but he should not give up his ideals by saying he is no longer a Conservative.

Being a Conservative is not as simple as joining a political party.

20 posted on 08/21/2002 7:26:17 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: VRW Conspirator
Well said. I agree with everything except for his equating Republicans with Conservatives.
23 posted on 08/21/2002 7:59:37 PM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: VRW Conspirator
Politics move in cycles. This year is like 1912 or 1936 or 1964, a high watermark for statism. And Bush is like Eisenhower or Nixon, a moderate Republican, at least as far as the size of government and powers of the state are concerned.

Pick your Reagan now and in 15 or 20 years he may be able to make some real changes. Perhaps even sooner, though it's not likely. And pick the issues you want to fight on now and in the future.

"Roll back government all along the line" isn't a practical issue. It has no priority, no point that you can press. To attack everywhere is to attack nowhere, just as to defend everything is to defend nothing.

Third Party candidates may be a valuable way to let off steam or to telegraph your disgust with the Republican, but in the end they probably cause more frustration than they relieve.

24 posted on 08/21/2002 8:09:07 PM PDT by x
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To: JZoback
I think you are right about that. Calling ourselves Republicans in this era of two party liberalism is hard to do. At least the Republicans sometimes do things right. We know the radicals on the left never do things right. Never.

So, we don't want to label ourselves Republicans and lend support to wrong ideas, but we sure don't want to lend a hand to any radical on the left in any way.

Thus, we are in a hard spot. All we can do is vote for the party that destroys the country less than the other, but then, thats our real concern. We don't want to see the country move in the direction of authoritarianism, but who do we support when its only a two party system?

I call myself a Constitutionalist, or Constitutional Conservative, yet the Constitution in its origianl interpretation is very conservative indeed, espeically with regards to the Bill of Rights.

Patriots are in a bind. Their country is literally falling apart at the seams, but they have no one running for office who will be able to win.

How long until it will be illegal to talk about the evils of government, or your elected officials?

25 posted on 08/21/2002 8:10:43 PM PDT by AndrewSmith
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To: Chi-townChief
What's "Cuck" short for?

You had to go there, didn't you?

It is actually long for "h".

It stands for "can't undo commands knucklehead".

It also means "classified undisclosed conservative knowledge"

27 posted on 08/21/2002 8:27:16 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator
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To: VRW Conspirator
Unfortunately, rank and file conservatives seem more than willing to accept an increase of socialism, internationalism, and liberalism as long as Republicans are overseeing it. Conservatives seem totally oblivious to the ominous direction of the country when Republicans are in charge. As a result, conservatives and liberals, Democrats and Republicans, are working together to take America further and further down the road of socialism.

I'm afraid he's right neither party is for a true change in direction. Both are playing variations of the same socialist tune and all too often it's harmonizing. I think it goes something like this "We are the World".

28 posted on 08/21/2002 8:32:13 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: x
......in 15 or 20 years he may be able to make some real changes.

Friend, we don't have 15 or 20 years!! If our school system doesn't kill us, our legal system will. We already have a virulent anti-business culture. The govt spent much way too money trying to kill Microsoft. If I were a CEO of anything, I would look for another line of work.

29 posted on 08/21/2002 8:38:35 PM PDT by edger
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To: goldenboy
NAFTA & GATT were terrible, and are still terrible, as they are contributing to the deindustrialization of America.

What is it with you free market "free trade" types? Do you not realize you're talking about the destruction of America's manufacturing sector? Oh yeah, that's great, for it's all in the name of "free trade" and the global ecnomy. Intelligent people should be able to see that "Free Trade" is bad for America. Are people insane?

30 posted on 08/21/2002 8:47:18 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: goldenboy
In less than two years, President Bush has presided over more government expansion than took place during eight years of Bill Clinton.

Which parts of "9/11" and "war" doesn't this woman understand?

31 posted on 08/21/2002 8:51:41 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: VRW Conspirator
call me a constitutionalist. I am convinced that the only chance that freedom and independence have of surviving the next 50 years is by a radical return to constitutional government. The status quo must go!

I wish someone would give a definition of "Constitutionalist". I am for the constitution, but I am a conservative. We now have about 15 flavors of Conservative and now a brand new label of "constitutionalist to throw around. I have 100 bucks that you could get 5 "constitutionalists" to give a definition and all 5 would be different. It is a monumental waste of time.

32 posted on 08/21/2002 8:53:09 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: goldenboy
I see that author thinks that illegal immigration and talk of amnesty is not a big deal. It shows where the allegiance lies. The World, Global Interests, and not American Economic, Social and Cultural Preservation.
33 posted on 08/21/2002 8:53:38 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Chi-townChief
"What's 'Cuck' short for?"

That depends on whether or not your wife is fooling around on you. [rimshot]

34 posted on 08/21/2002 8:59:28 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: VRW Conspirator
I was looking at my state board and a Freeper posted this nice little fact. For those unknowing Phil Bresden is a Democrat a Liberal one to be exact running against Congressman Van Hilleary-R-TN for the governors office. Yet the leader of the GOP Senatorial Election Campaign does what?

Message below as posted.

Go to the Knoxville News Sentinel political contributions and see who the Frists have donated to. This is the guy in charge of the Republican Senatorial Election campaign?

http://campaign.knoxnews.com/

Search by donor: Frist

DR. THOMAS FRIST, JR 508 BELLE MEADE BOULEVARD NASHVILLE TN Phil Bredesen 07/13/2001 $2,500.00

WILLIAM FRIST 3827 RICHLAND AVENUE NASHVILLE TN Phil Bredesen 07/13/2001 $2,500.00

PATRICIA FRIST 508 BELLE MEADE BOULEVARD NASHVILLE TN Phil Bredesen 07/13/2001 $2,500.00

ROBERT FRIST, JR 209 10TH AVE. S SUITE 450 NASHVILLE TN Van Hilleary 05/04/2001 $1,000.00

MRS. THOMAS FRIST 508 BELLE MEADE BLVD. NASHVILLE TN Marsha Blackburn 12/11/2001 $1,000.00

Looks like the Frists are more RINO than Republican!

End of post.

Yes indeed it does you see Bresden is a Tenn Care or rather Hillary Care shill running for governor. Now why would the Frist family be supporting him? Especially the ranking Republican U.S. Senator? So much for party loyalities we are told we must have to win. Post this to the next person who says you must support the GOP at all cost. Two parties one goal.

35 posted on 08/21/2002 9:02:09 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: VRW Conspirator
Yep I agree with ya.

You left out a major point though, TAXES !!

Republicans talk about tax cuts and tax reform but rarely deliver. Republicans and President GWB gave us a refund of a whopping average of about $500.00 ea. WHOOPPEEEEEE !!!!! I'm frickin rich now !!! After all I have paid thousands upon thousands in taxes over the years and I should be damned glad to get a pennance back.

Until we get rid of both criminal parties that take our taxes and waste them we will all be forever in chains !!

38 posted on 08/21/2002 9:09:53 PM PDT by unixfox
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To: FreedomFriend; goldenboy
NAFTA & GATT were terrible, and are still terrible, as they are contributing to the deindustrialization of America. What is it with you free market "free trade" types? Do you not realize you're talking about the destruction of America's manufacturing sector? Oh yeah, that's great, for it's all in the name of "free trade" and the global ecnomy. Intelligent people should be able to see that "Free Trade" is bad for America. Are people insane?

Let's propose a simple test.

Protectionists are not only wrong-headed in their understanding of economics, they are fighting the wrong battle (and wasting valuable time and energy doing so).

The enemy of the Domestic Production Base is high domestic taxes and regulation, not low tariffs. Even if high tariffs "protected" Industry (and they do not; they just reward Inefficiency and add to the Cost of raw materials needed for production)... it would still do very little good to put a fence around a starving man to "protect" him from predators when you are still stealing the bread from his hands. The poor man will still starve to death, fence or no fence.

39 posted on 08/21/2002 9:25:57 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Let's lower Domestic Taxation and regulation to 10% and raise lower Import Tariffs to zero

(grin)

40 posted on 08/21/2002 9:30:46 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: Sgt. Fury
Man, I can't believe we're still beating this dead horse.

I guess you're right. Better to have run Buchannan, so that Gore would be president right now. Who better to run this country during wartime than Al "sensitive guy" Gore?

Politics, in case you didn't notice, is about compromise - like it or not (well, now I've said something stupid, since you obviously don't like it). All or nothing many times leaves you with nothing. We weren't played for fools. We were simply smart enough to recognize who could win, and who definitely wouldn't. But comparing Bush to Stalin or Hitler? You can't possibly be that dense......

41 posted on 08/21/2002 9:31:23 PM PDT by The Coopster
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
You do realize that your "plan" is bankrupting the country. Of course, this "free trade" is not fair trade. What makes you so confident in an utter failure of a policy?

Furthermore, why is it that protectionist policies brought about a strong America, higher buying power, and less foreign intervention? Unfortunately, you're operating on a failed system, and you're trying to justify the failure that it is. Unfortunately, we may not be able to go back to sane policies, for viewpoints like yours may prevent it. It will then be too late to do anything about it, as our country will be weakened to the point of virtually no return.

Again, facts from the past and present reveals which policy works.

42 posted on 08/21/2002 9:34:39 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: The Coopster
And why is it that Bush could win and Buchanan couldn't? 100% media laced dribble. That's why. Furthermore, Bush has bloated the federal government much faster than his un-American predecessor.
43 posted on 08/21/2002 9:36:35 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend; goldenboy
You do realize that your "plan" is bankrupting the country. Of course, this "free trade" is not fair trade. What makes you so confident in an utter failure of a policy?

My "plan" is to seek a major reduction of domestic Taxation and regulation. (a maximum of 10% of GDP seems like a fine guideline to me; why should the State take more than God?) Precisely how would this bankrupt the nation?

I repeat my challenge:

Of the two options below, pick the scenario most likely to encourage economic growth:

Use the brains the good Lord gave ya, this one is not that hard to think through. What's your answer??

44 posted on 08/21/2002 9:42:50 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: FreedomFriend
"Intelligent people should be able to see that "Free Trade" is bad for America."

True, but the "intelligent people" or rather people with eyes to see are numbered. One World Economic System, part of the four hidden dynasties in Daniel (the other three: one world religion, one world education, and one world political - now, just look around and tell me I'm crazy...) We must continue to stand up, but do you think we will prevail? At least, for now?
45 posted on 08/21/2002 9:43:34 PM PDT by tinacart
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To: FreedomFriend; goldenboy
Sorry, my bad; let's clean up the HTML on this...You do realize that your "plan" is bankrupting the country. Of course, this "free trade" is not fair trade. What makes you so confident in an utter failure of a policy?

My "plan" is to seek a major reduction of domestic Taxation and regulation. (a maximum of 10% of GDP seems like a fine guideline to me; why should the State take more than God?) Precisely how would this bankrupt the nation?

I repeat my challenge:

Of the two options below, pick the scenario most likely to encourage economic growth:

Use the brains the good Lord gave ya, this one is not that hard to think through. What's your answer??

46 posted on 08/21/2002 9:43:57 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: FreedomFriend
While I agree that the media spews crap most of the time, Mr. Buchannan helped a lot of that along himself. It is the classic all-or-nothing syndrome. If you're too extreme, you'll eliminate more voters than you can bring in. And you , too are going to extremes here. Bush hasn't done any more or less than any other President to "bloat" the gov't further. Is he perfect? No one can be. But he was the best option at the time. And do you honestly believe that ANY candidate would be able to step in and wield the ax toward smaller gov't? It will take years to undo this Gordian Knot, and I have doubts that I'll see it in my lifetime.

In the meantime, I'll remain a realist.

47 posted on 08/21/2002 9:50:13 PM PDT by The Coopster
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To: tinacart
You're most likely correct. It probably won't get better, but I'll go down fighting. It does appear that the New World Order One World Government is upon us, and that the breakdown of nations is occurring right now. Wide-open borders, free trade, international trading organizations, the rise of the EU, ICC & the UN, as well as tons of other stuff.

I see this stuff and I think "evil".

48 posted on 08/21/2002 9:52:23 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: goldenboy
For myself I agree with him I have watched conservatives on this site for many years and I can see the split is for real and is a major problem!

The split is so bad that I find it nearly impossible to post here any more.

49 posted on 08/21/2002 9:53:32 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: The Coopster
And do you honestly believe that ANY candidate would be able to step in and wield the ax toward smaller gov't? It will take years to undo this Gordian Knot, and I have doubts that I'll see it in my lifetime.

Yes, I could do it.

50 posted on 08/21/2002 9:53:39 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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