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Hatfill Gives Press Conference
Fox news | 08-25-02 | Steve Hatfill

Posted on 08/25/2002 11:33:25 AM PDT by at bay

Just watched the Hatfill press conference. FBI continuing on its theory that this was something that originated from the US and that Atta must have had athlete's foot or something. Hatfill, if innocent, is rightly indignant at his treatment.


TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anthraxscarelist; fbi; hatfill; witchhunt
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To: aristeides
I'm really disappointed by how many people on this thread
seem to accept the lies of the FBI and the media.

I am quite amazed but shouldn't be
to see that the majority of those posting know nothing about this case
despite the fact that there have been about 50 threads about it
in the past two months.

One would like to think that conservatives are better informed than leftists
but unfortunately that seems not to be true.

However it is good to know that complete ignorance does not prevent most people
from expressing their fatuous opinions.

101 posted on 08/25/2002 6:09:45 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: piasa
I suspect the Hatfill business is being orchestrated for a reason, and not by him.

I agree with you on this point. But who'd doing it and why?

BTW, there is a man in the Princeton area--he either works for the Borough or Township--that looks like Hatfill, or at least looks like the picture of Hatfill that was being shown in & around Princeton (Nassau Street & Palmer Square). There was an article about him right after the story broke about anthrax being found in the mailbox on Nassau street. I believe it was in the Trenton Times.

102 posted on 08/25/2002 6:28:02 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: eddie willers
If I were innocent, I would shout it from the rooftops!"?

Criminals don't do press confernces... unless their first names are Bill and Hillary.

103 posted on 08/25/2002 6:38:12 PM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: aristeides
Maybe it's because my tinfoil hat is not fitting so well lately, but I tended to believe Hatfill also.
104 posted on 08/25/2002 6:50:23 PM PDT by HangThemHigh
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To: okie01
Well, I guess our hometown podiatrist/bomber to be took precedent down here over Hatfill. Perspective is everything isn't it?

This is like American Idol in reverse. They have twenty persons of interest and if they are whittling that list down, the person of interest who is left, might be "it" but without a record contract.

Why did the FBI start investigating these labs in the first place? Did somebody call a hotline or something and give them a lead? This story has not been highlighted around here.

I still don't trust him, even though he's probably innocent. He's milkin' it a little bit IMO. If he hates publicity, why is he holding press conferences? It is curious that he is blaming Ashcroft when it would be easier to just file a complaint against the justice department without naming Ashcroft specifically. That's why I believe the dems are egging him on. FV

105 posted on 08/25/2002 6:56:50 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: floriduh voter
"Why did the FBI start investigating these labs in the first place? Did somebody call a hotline or something and give them a lead? This story has not been highlighted around here."

Starting last December, while at an international conference in Switzerland, Barbara Hatch Rosenberg launched the theory that the anthrax perp was a member of the "American biowarfare community". She went on to assert that she, and most of her colleagues, probably knew who the "rogue scientist" was.

Her story first appeared in the house organ of Germany's Green Party.

The media found her "revelations" absolutely fascinating and got on the story like a chicken on a june bug. Since then, she's been playing media darling, asked to comment on each and every "break" in the case. Which, whenever the trail turns cold, she furnishes a brand new "suspect".

Thanks to her "expertise", which has more to do with media management than bacteriology, she even got a confidential meeting with Senators Daschle and Leahy and their staffs.

Shortly thereafter, the FBI made a surprise raid on Hatfill's apartment...accompanied by a fleet of media helicopters and a convoy of remote vans.

If I was Hatfill, I'd be pissed off, too. At John Ashcroft, or anybody in a position of authority who was allowing this charade to continue.

Of course, there is some thought that Hatfill is in on the act and knows the script. He may be a CIA asset himself...and is to play out the role as a media diversion until such time as the administration is ready to announce where the anthrax really came from.

106 posted on 08/25/2002 7:12:20 PM PDT by okie01
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To: okie01
So, you're saying it may be psyops or something because he dissed the New York Times too in addition to Ashcroft. I just felt like the press conference today was so bizarre - set aside guilt or innocence.

It was just so bizarre and who the heck told him the ninth commandment was about bearing false witness? I don't think the press conference was completely in his own words. Why would he embarass himself if he wasn't familiar with the commandments? Someone else told him to say that which exposes that he did not write his speech in its entirety. It seemed so scripted, and when he left the podium and embraced some guy to his right, it looked like he was acting. That's my opinion and that's not about Ashcroft or the Constitution or dems.

I think you may be right. If this is some weird diversion for the American people and for the world's consumption - they're good because I'm totally bewildered.

107 posted on 08/25/2002 7:23:59 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: floriduh voter
Why did the FBI start investigating these labs in the first place?
Did somebody call a hotline or something and give them a lead?
This story has not been highlighted around here.

This story has been highlighted around here on 100+ threads.

Why don't you go back and read them
instead of continuing to make a fool of yourself
by displaying your total lack of knowledge about this story?

108 posted on 08/25/2002 7:24:38 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
Around here means around where I live in the newspapers, on talk radio and on television. Around here didn't mean at Free Republic. In fact, I know how to use the search function and the abuse button here at Free Republic too.
Hurry on now and try to annoy someone else. With 100+ threads, you better get started. LOL

109 posted on 08/25/2002 7:34:11 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: Nogbad
I saw his first press conference and I too found him credible. But him being framed by the administration does not make sense. The administration including the DOJ would dearly love to lay these anthrax attacks at the feet of Iraq. In fact it would not be very hard to manufacture the evidence if they were so inclined. So I don't buy this as a frame up of a "white guy".

The other thing concerns the leaks. If there have been leaks to the papers about him from the FBI then yes he is being treated unfairly and should sue. The other possibility is that he and his own legal team are leaking some of this also knowing full well that Richard Jewell is still fresh in the minds of many. None of us have any idea what is going on and all we are doing are making subjective value judgments based on individual perceptions of the FBI and government in general.

110 posted on 08/25/2002 7:41:15 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: FreeTheHostages
First of all, you didn't flame me or anything but must have said something that caught my eye. I don't think I ever said that Hatfill was guilty but I thought he was "acting" and that the dems were part of this Ashcroft attack. Something's weird with this story.

It has not gotten big play in Tampa Bay so why would I go looking for it? Today, Hatfill was unavoidable. It was a bit much considering that yesterday locally, I endured a televised press conference by Al Arian from Lebanon on the local Time Warner channel.

I guess to get credibility and attention, we have to have press conferences and hire attorneys and parade our family and friends in front of the cameras too. We have become so melodramatic. Maybe that's what bugs me.

Oh, yeah, there can be real leaks and fake leaks. You are right about that.

111 posted on 08/25/2002 7:54:55 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: eddie willers
There was no reason for the FBI to trash the girlfriend's apartment like that. Very unprofessional behavior, to say the least. Those agents responsible should be severely reprimanded, IMHO. It wouldn't surprise me if Ashcroft apologized for that, even if he ignores all the other allegations.
112 posted on 08/25/2002 8:19:20 PM PDT by watchwoman
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To: floriduh voter
I don't know what kind of games have been played with Hatfill's life but some people have a breaking point and obviously, this didn't roll off of Hatfill. Now he is obsessed with the entire matter to the point of getting counsel.


I can't believe all your comments if you didn't watch the press conference. I can hardly blame the guy for being "obsessed" with the matter. Today he detailed how this investigation has affected his life. Among other things he has lost two jobs, had his home searched several times, had his girlfriend's apartment ransacked, he is followed day and night by FBI agents and the press and every questionable decision he has made during his life is currently being exposed to the entire country. He is the subject of illegal leaks by the FBI and he has had the FBI tell two of his closest friends that they have direct proof that he killed 5 people.

Hatfill took a long time, but he had a long list of grievances to air. He highlighted some very valid and obvious flaws with the FBI's investigation tactics and with the media's coverage of him.

All in all, if this guy is innocent, then some people within the FBI deserve some jail time.

As for me, at the moment he strikes me as a contrived fall guy and not the real culprit.

HATFILL HANDED THEM AN ELECTION ISSUE

Ahhh...... there's nothing like blaming the victim.
113 posted on 08/25/2002 8:55:25 PM PDT by Freeper 007
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To: Freeper 007
He may have unwittingly handed them an election issue. I guess I have a higher threshold than Hatfill for getting through a crisis. He's having a crisis, amen to that and he had a press conference. He didn't garner any sympathy from me but I haven't accused him of anything.

He lost me when he accused Ashcroft of breaking the ninth commandment. He should have at least checked the commandments before he accused Ashcroft of the wrong one.

I am saying it was a weird press conference and now we have to listen to this through the primaries and the November elections. Then it will be a dead issue after the elections are over. Everything is about politics, even this. I believe I blamed the dems.

114 posted on 08/25/2002 9:11:09 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: floriduh voter
I guess I have a higher threshold than Hatfill for getting through a crisis

LOL!!!

Forgive me for thinking that Hatfill may being going through something that you and I can't fully understand. Unless of course, I missed the last time your life story was dissected in front of the nation, your friends had their homes and lives turned upside down and you were practially accused by the national media of being public enemy #1.

I wouldn't go around trying to compare your "threshold" to Hatfill's. His situation is very unique when you consider the publicity he has gotten. Hopefully he can use that position to ensure that the trampling of his civil rights is also unique.
115 posted on 08/25/2002 9:20:09 PM PDT by Freeper 007
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To: watchwoman
As a matter of fact, my place looked like his girlfriend's after I came back from the Friva conference. I saw the pictures. It didn't looked trashed to me although I'm sure it wasn't any fun putting stuff back where it belonged. My stuff was searched at the airport. I got over it.

Now if they smacked people around, that's more serious stuff but nobody's made allegations that they were physically harmed or threatened. Janet Reno did much worse to people in any event. I'm outta here. There aren't going to be any quick answers. Hatfill is one of twenty. The other nineteen are not on the radar screen. Have a nice week.

116 posted on 08/25/2002 9:23:11 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: Freeper 007
Yeah, I'm not getting any media attention at the moment, but I could pull off a press conference without sounding like a whiner. The whining cuts right into his credibility. It's obvious he's not used to the press or dealing with the press.

We don't know the whole story and I'm going to sit this one out for now. I thought conservatives hated whiners. What is happening?

117 posted on 08/25/2002 9:31:33 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: eddie willers
I'll bet you are, too.
118 posted on 08/25/2002 9:37:05 PM PDT by Pushi
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To: floriduh voter
It's obvious he's not used to the press or dealing with the press.

So what? As I remember, Clinton was a pretty slick charachter under pressure. This guy is a scientist, not a talking head. That is kind of the whole point of this entire thing.

He is this average joe who is living his life when suddenly all eyes are on him and people are trying to blame him for a horrible crime that the entire country is aware of. Can you blame the guy for not being telegenic and in perfect control? He never asked for this situation. (if you had listened to his press conference, you would know that he himself made that point)

I thought conservatives hated whiners. What is happening?

That's funny, where you saw a whiner, I saw a fighter. The guy has had his life taken away from him by the most powerful government on Earth. To top it all off, it's a government he liked. Sure the guy was nervous as hell, but he sucked it up and said his peace. Maybe you would prefer it if he would just shut up and take one for the (Republican)team.

This conservative likes to listen to what is actually said, and not dismiss it because it doesn't come with the elocution of Dan Rather.
119 posted on 08/25/2002 10:04:56 PM PDT by Freeper 007
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To: Alas Babylon!
Ditto.
120 posted on 08/25/2002 10:07:27 PM PDT by Pushi
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To: Pushi
Why'd they pull the AIDS thread?
121 posted on 08/25/2002 11:01:17 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: First_Salute
Seems FAS is tight with the pentagon, too.
122 posted on 08/26/2002 2:47:38 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: Catspaw
I understand that his lawyer is a civil attorney. A criminal defense attorney would've told him to keep his mouth shut.

It was made clear at Hatfill's first conference that he had hired a criminal defense attorney by that point. He did so immediately after a criminal subpoena was served on him by the FBI at the time of the search of his apartment that was done with all those media guys present.

123 posted on 08/26/2002 5:47:12 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: floriduh voter
Are you aware that Catholics and Protestants number the Ten Commandments differently?
124 posted on 08/26/2002 5:52:41 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: floriduh voter
He didn't go to the media first- he had to be prodded into doing so, when the myths and tinfoil started to get real thick with the help of the Ralph Nader-Green Party, the arab press, and, I have little doubt, the DNC. Here's an older article from when he was being quiet and discrete:

Media Manufacture Cloud of Suspicion Over Hatfill
By Nicholas Stix

Insight first published this article about the effort to blame Steven Hatfill for the anthrax attacks in the Fair Comment section of the Aug. 12 issue.

Just point and click. Those two steps, and a long e-mail "cc" list, apparently are all that it takes to spread a hoax around the world today. It works like a computer virus, and with consequences no less dangerous.

Just ask Dr. Steven J. Hatfill.

Readers of Insight and her sister daily, the Washington Times, know Hatfill through his attempts over the years to warn the public of America's lack of readiness against biowarfare attacks. However, the mainstream liberal press ignored Hatfill — until late June, that is.

Since then Hatfill has gained international notoriety with a slew of stories in Time magazine, the American Prospect, the Baltimore Sun, the Hartford Courant, the Washington Post, the Fort Lauderdale, Fla., Sun-Sentinel and on Websites as far away as Zambia. The stories played up FBI searches of Hatfill's home and a refrigerated storage locker he rents — implying that he is the anthrax terrorist who killed five people last fall with contaminated mail. On July 2, New York Times columnist Nicholas D. Kristof referred to Hatfill as "Mr. Z" and strongly suggested that the FBI should jail him as the anthrax terrorist.

"If Mr. Z were an Arab national, he would have been imprisoned long ago. … It's time for the FBI to make a move: Either it should go after him more aggressively, sifting thoroughly through his past and picking up loose threads, or it should seek to exculpate him and remove this cloud of suspicion."

Why would the FBI need to "exculpate" someone on whom it has nothing? The only cloud of "suspicion" hanging over Hatfill's head is the one manufactured by the media, who have let Dr. Barbara Hatch Rosenberg lead them around by the nose.

Rosenberg blames the U.S. government for last fall's anthrax attacks. She long has called on the United States to sign on to biowarfare protocols that would permit international inspectors to visit our biodefense installations.

In a sympathetic portrait in the March 18 New Yorker, Nicholas Lemann wrote that "Rosenberg believes that the American bioweapons program, which won't allow itself to be monitored, may not be in strict compliance with the [1972 Biological Weapons] convention. If the perpetrator of the anthrax attacks is who she thinks it is, that would put the American program in a bad light, and it would prove that she was right to demand that the program be monitored."

Rosenberg has provided no evidence to support her charges. Meanwhile, as Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs John Bolton has argued, her prescription would allow rogue nations such as Iraq, North Korea, Iran, Libya and Syria to learn through protocol inspections about U.S. defensive programs and develop their own offensive programs.

Journalists usually refer to Rosenberg as a "microbiologist" and "State University of New York professor." Officially, she is a professor of environmental science at a performing-arts college, but she neither has conducted scientific research nor taught in years. And she has little biowarfare expertise. Working with the far-left Federation of American Scientists, Rosenberg is a taxpayer-supported, full-time activist.

Immediately after last fall's anthrax attacks, Rosenberg began claiming that the terrorist was an American scientist from within the biodefense establishment. However, her stories diverged wildly depending on her audience. In the European version, the terrorist was a CIA agent/contract scientist who acted on agency orders as part of a deadly germ-warfare experiment. Unbeknownst to European reporters, they were getting a plotline from the brilliant but little-watched TV show Millennium (1996-99).

In the American version, the terrorist was a "bioevangelist" (The Sun's Scott Shane) who sought not to harm anyone, but to warn the public of the dangers of biowarfare.

In setting up an American scientist to take the fall for the killings, Rosenberg may have seen an opportunity to discredit the U.S. biowarfare-defense program, get the Bush administration to sign on to international biowarfare protocols that would give our enemies access to our biodefense secrets and exact political revenge on Hatfill.

In seeking to convince readers of Hatfill's guilt in last fall's attacks, Kristof and the other journalists claimed that in the late 1970s, Rhodesian special forces attacked black-owned farms with anthrax, and sought to link Hatfill to these "attacks."

No one ever has provided any evidence showing that the Rhodesian army carried out anthrax attacks, much less that Hatfill participated in them. Kristof and company merely are regurgitating a tainted 1992 article by longtime Rosenberg associate Meryl Nass. The Nass report purported to explain the 1978-80 anthrax outbreak that affected 10,000 black farmers, predominantly with cutaneous anthrax, killing 182. In her "explanation," Nass leaped from one politically loaded speculation to another without any evidence.

The flamboyant, brilliant Hatfill earned his medical degree in Rhodesia in the late 1970s and early 1980s while serving in U.S. and Rhodesian special forces. In Rhodesia, he fought against communist guerrillas. One must recall that in Rhodesia — now named Zimbabwe, and ruled since 1980 by genocidal communist Robert Mugabe — the choice was never between apartheid and freedom, but rather between white or black apartheid.

Hatfill's attorney, Thomas C. Carter, told me, "My client doesn't want to do anything, right now. … He's really upset that his name continues to be mentioned, and he's decided that the best approach is to ignore everything and to try and stay as much removed from it as he can. He might change his mind at some point in the future and participate in something but, right now, he doesn't."

If Hatfill doesn't engage the campaign against him in a hurry, he soon may find himself sharing a cell with the likes of José Padilla.

Nicholas Stix is a free-lance writer based in New York who contributes to the New York Post and Middle American News.

125 posted on 08/26/2002 6:03:05 AM PDT by piasa
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To: floriduh voter
Wrong commandment? I think you have it wrong.

Ten Commandments according to Exodus 20:2-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21, which are also called the 'ethical decalogue' are:

1. You shall have no other Gods before me

2. You shall not make unto thee any graven image or likeness of any thing........

3. You shall not take the name of the Lord (YHWH) your God in vain.....

4. Remember the sabbath day.....

5. Honour your father and your mother

6. You shall not kill

7. You shall not commit adultery

8. You shall not steal

9. You shall not bear false witness against thy neighbour

10. You shall not covet your neighbour's house, you shall not covet your neighbour's wife.... manservant.... maidservant.... his ox.... his ass...anything that is your neighbour's.

126 posted on 08/26/2002 6:33:27 AM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: Texasforever; floriduh voter; aristeides
None of us have any idea what is going on
and all we are doing are making subjective value judgments
based on individual perceptions of the FBI
and government in general.

This statement simply is not true.
Those on this forum who have been following the activities of Barbara Hatch Rosenberg
for the past six months
have a perfectly clear idea of 'what is going on'.

At the time of Hatfill's first press conference
almost all the ignoramuses who posted on this Forum
had not idea who this women was.
Probably they still don't.

127 posted on 08/26/2002 7:33:12 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: floriduh voter
I guess to get credibility and attention, we have to have press conferences and hire attorneys and parade our family and friends in front of the cameras too. We have become so melodramatic. Maybe that's what bugs me.

Good point.
128 posted on 08/26/2002 7:35:07 AM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: aristeides
It was made clear at Hatfill's first conference that he had hired a criminal defense attorney by that point. He did so immediately after a criminal subpoena was served on him by the FBI at the time of the search of his apartment that was done with all those media guys present.

Yes, I heard him say that he had a criminal defense attorney at the first press conference. I wonder if the criminal defense attorney, presuming he is still in Hatfill's employ, approved of his client giving the press conferences, or if the criminal defense attorney has given that authority to Hatfill's civil attorney?

129 posted on 08/26/2002 7:37:41 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Alas Babylon!
Going after "right-wingers" is not my idea of making this nation safer

Hatfill doesn't get a free pass because he's right-wing. Not any more than Timothy McVeigh. There's evdience that whoever did this probably is a right-wing American (the date was written in Western style, etc.).

People can be right or left but they still have to respect democracy. They can't go around violating the peoples' laws. I know you agree with that, for sure. Not suggesting otherwise. But I think there's probably evidence leading the FBI to look toward Hatfill. I don't think they're picking on him just because he's right wing. His political views -- or the views of someone like him if he's not guilty, a possibility I allow for entirely -- provide a strong motive for this crime. Remember, Sen. Leahy was targetted; Sen. Gramm was not. The person who did this had some kind of axe to grind.

I want to be entirely fair: I appreciate that you're not saying that someone should get a free pass just 'cause they're right wing. But be entirely free to me: there's evidence here that the person who did this with a domestic right-winger. That's not some FBI fantasy. Even from what we know publicly, it so appears.
130 posted on 08/26/2002 7:39:31 AM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Catspaw
It's Hatfill's decision. All the criminal defense attorney would be obliged to do is to point out to his client the risks of going public, which I think we can be more or less certain the attorney did. Which makes it all the more clear how much guts Hatfill has.
131 posted on 08/26/2002 7:41:08 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Alas Babylon!
I see nothing wrong at all for true patriots criticizing the government or agencies thereof (including law enforcement) when they are wrong.

Who disagree with the proposition. I'm just not sure abut the "when they are wrong" part on the facts of this case. Can we agree on this?: Time will tell.
132 posted on 08/26/2002 7:42:18 AM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: FreeTheHostages
There's evdience that whoever did this probably is a right-wing American (the date was written in Western style, etc.).

If you believe that, you really need to go back and read more about the case. Compared to the evidence that the anthrax came from an Islamic source, the so-called "evidence" that it came from a domestic right-winger is of zero value.

To get a start, I suggest you read the series of newsmax articles to which I have been providing links on another thread. Here's a link to one of them (which will allow you to navigate to the others): FBI Overlooks Iraq's Connection to Anthrax Attacks .

133 posted on 08/26/2002 7:44:50 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Thanks for the reference. I'm the first to admit I haven't read a lot on this one, so I'll look that up.
134 posted on 08/26/2002 7:48:40 AM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Nogbad; Texasforever; Fred Mertz
Nope, I'm unpersuaded. There's no way we can know what the FBI knows now.

I can't imagine a more important case in which to withhold judgment: if he's guilty, he's a most heinous criminal. If he's innocent, what's happened is unfair regardless of whether it's illegal.

I don't claim to be any kind of expert. But I'm not incensed by people who say he's innocent (unlike those people on the Westerfield thread defending that child rapist, those people are just impossible). Surely on this one we can at least agree to wait?
135 posted on 08/26/2002 7:51:54 AM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: FreeTheHostages
No, some of us make our minds up quickly. Hatfill didn't do it. See aristeides' links in #133.

I don't give the FBI the benefit of the doubt on much these days.
136 posted on 08/26/2002 8:03:16 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
I completely confess I haven't traced through the post 133 links yet. I promise I'll do that tonight. On this subject, I would be always very clear to add I haven't been following as closely as I might wish.

She who's always open to suggestions, especially when wearing the foil,

FTH
137 posted on 08/26/2002 8:09:04 AM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
The 10 commandments are broken down differently for Catholics and Protestants. The copy I have on my wall (right next to the Bill of Rights) puts the false witness commandment at #8. Your 1 & 2 are #1 on mine, your #10 is 9 & 10 on my copy.
138 posted on 08/26/2002 8:56:24 AM PDT by NEPA
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To: Cachelot
I've been given to understand that Barbara Hatch Rosenberg, ... is actually an old girlfriend of his who has been after him for years.

Yesterday he stated he had never met her, so your information is incorrect.

I watched the news conference, and Hatfill is either the best liar I've ever seen in my life (BeezleBubba included), or is innocent. I think he's innocent.

Hatfill is seriously pissed at Ashcroft and the FBI. I believed him when he said he was originally glad when Ashcroft was appointed AG...he sounds like a good conservative just like most of us...might even be a FReeper. He expressed serious concerns about the Patriot Act that many of us have voiced, and caused me to change my mind from thinking the Patriot Act was a necessary evil to thinking it is a serious threat.

139 posted on 08/26/2002 9:09:15 AM PDT by 6ppc
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
Thanks. It's nice to get guidance minus flaming. Incredibly, I've had it wrong since Sunday School. This proves that asking questions on Free Republic should not be criticized if one of us learns something. I thought false witness was number three. Oops.

Well, I hate lying, now he has to prove that John Ashcroft lied - that's not gonna be easy.

140 posted on 08/26/2002 9:15:32 AM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
I just looked at the commandments on your post again.
Some of the numbers don't jive. They seem to be off by one number. I'm gonna get out my Bible and see what I come up with. I may have to call Charlton Heston - Moses ought to know.
141 posted on 08/26/2002 9:19:46 AM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: 6ppc
Yesterday he stated he had never met her, so your information is incorrect.

Yeah, well.. as I said, I might have gotten the thing garbled :). I'm pretty sure he's innocent, though. Too many things that don't add up.

142 posted on 08/26/2002 9:25:51 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: cynicom
All republicans here are not conservatives but rather partisans first.

And were probably the same people excoriating the democrat sheeple for following Klintoon like lemmings. Ironic, isn't it? And before I get flamed, no, I am not equating the Bush and Klintoon administrations -- Klintoon and Co. set the standard for government slime. I'm just saying that if our government representatives are wrong, we need to sock it to 'em, regardless of the letter after their name.

143 posted on 08/26/2002 10:49:12 AM PDT by ellery
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To: ellery
ellery....

Exactly... I am conservative first, for the country first, for the constitution first, all else is secondary.

144 posted on 08/26/2002 10:59:12 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: Alas Babylon!
Bump.
145 posted on 08/26/2002 1:12:27 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: floriduh voter
Well, I hate lying, now he has to prove that John Ashcroft lied- that's not gonna be easy.

I don't think that's right.

My understanding is that he only has to prove in civil court that his rights were violated by the government.

That is a very different thing from having to prove that Ashcroft lied.

146 posted on 08/26/2002 1:55:54 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
It's not Ashcroft behind this! It's the Rogue FBI Special Agent McCoy. He was part of the anthrax investigation when he noticed that Hatfill was actually a Hatfield! While researching, he found evidence that he had a name change in Tazmania. Thinking the worst, McCoy told an unnamed source in the senate that Hatfill then tried to blend into the biowarfare crowd in hopes to pick up some virii to spread to the McCoys and then thought it easier to tie him to the anthrax case rather then bring up new hard to prove charges.

/sarcasm

147 posted on 08/26/2002 2:23:50 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Ken H
How about this? Mr. Hatfill has the burden of proof. This is civil but it also sounds like he had to file in Federal Court. There's a backlog in Federal Court because there's a shortage of judges. It could take years.

If Mr. Hatfill is mad at Ashcroft and the FBI, et al, wait until he gets to know the court system and is deposed, has to fill out interrogatories, produce records, get ready for trial. Have a trial and so on. Further, someone can follow him around too. He has no idea. If he hates publicity and wants his privacy why is he inviting Court TV into his life? It could happen and it makes no sense to me.

148 posted on 08/26/2002 5:02:43 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: floriduh voter
Hatfill and his lawyer have no doubt discussed the legal thickets they'll encounter and have decided to proceed.

No matter how good a case you have, it's a long tedious process and you still may not win in court.

If he hates publicity and wants his privacy why is inviting court TV into his life?

My understanding is that the NY Times published information leaked from the government and placed Dr. Hatfill into the limelight.

What is your understanding of who first put this into the public spotlight?

149 posted on 08/26/2002 5:50:57 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: floriduh voter; All
Where are the other nineteen? Are they going to hold press conferences too?

Good questions.

I'm not as up to speed on this story as others here, but I don't remember anyone else's name being made public.

To all: Have any of the other 19 names been released?

150 posted on 08/26/2002 9:07:28 PM PDT by Ken H
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