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Girl gets $4.7M for vaccine injuries
Bergen Record ^ | August 16, 2002 | LINDY WASHBURN

Posted on 08/25/2002 7:06:30 PM PDT by Incorrigible

 

Girl gets $4.7M for vaccine injuries

Friday, August 16, 2002

By LINDY WASHBURN
Staff Writer

A New Jersey girl whose mental development stopped at 2 months old after a routine immunization has received a $4.7 million settlement from a national trust fund.

More than $3 million of the award will go to an annuity that will pay for the child's care as long as she lives. Its payout could exceed $61 million if she lives to 71, said Mindy Michaels Roth, the Glen Rock attorney who brought the case in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims.

The payment to the girl, now 9 years old but with the mental ability of a 2-month-old, comes from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, funded by a 75-cent tax on each vaccination. Congress created the fund in 1986, at a time when a growing number of lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers was driving them out of the marketplace, and more parents were choosing not to immunize their children because they feared harmful side effects.

"It removes a tremendous weight as to how we'll care for [our daughter] financially,'' said the girl's father, who lives in Central Jersey and asked that the family not be identified. "As finite human beings, we die. Who's going to care for her? This eliminates that burden'' because her eventual care in a nursing home is provided for, he said.

Congress established the program to stabilize the supply of vaccines and free money for research on safer alternatives.

The program also created a less expensive method to resolve claims outside the normal court system.

Since its inception, the fund has settled more than 5,500 claims, and awarded nearly $1.4 billion. Awards range up to $9.1 million. This year's average has been $800,000.

The fund provides compensation for injuries from all vaccines mandated by the federal government: diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis (DTP); measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR); polio, hepatitis B, chickenpox, and H. influenza Type B.

This month, the pneumococcal vaccine was added to the list, and it became easier for parents whose babies suffered a bowel blockage following the rotavirus vaccine to secure compensation. Injuries from smallpox and anthrax vaccines are not covered by the fund.

Legislation is also pending, Roth said, to consider autism as a possible vaccine-related injury.

Some people believe the rising incidence of autism is partly attributable to the growing number of vaccines administered before a child's immune system is mature. In particular, they cite the mercury used as a component in some vaccines as a possible toxin.

However, a recent Institute of Medicine report concluded there was insufficient evidence to accept or reject a link between thimerosal, a mercury component in some vaccines, and autism and other developmental and neurological disorders.

Of the 4 million children each year who receive multiple vaccines, about 10,000 adverse reactions are reported to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Most of those reactions are minor, but about 15 percent report incidents of hospitalization, disability, life-threatening illnesses, or death. Those reports do not prove the vaccine caused the problem, however.

The Central Jersey girl, the youngest of four children, was a bright, healthy 2-month-old when she visited a pediatrician in September 1993, her mother said. While there, she was given a vaccination for diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis (DTP).

Eleven hours later, her mother noticed odd eye movements as she changed the baby's diaper. She put the baby to bed and went to sleep, she said. When she awoke the next morning, she realized her daughter hadn't cried for her 3 a.m. feeding.

She found the baby "red in the face, foamy at the mouth, and having difficulty breathing,'' the mother said. The baby didn't have a fever, however, and the pediatrician advised her to keep an eye on the situation.

The baby was very lethargic, her parents said. Later, as her father held her in his arms, she started to shake - the first of many seizures. As the seizures increased, she was hospitalized.

"It was very frightening,'' the girl's mother said.

At first, neither the family nor the doctors connected her problems with the vaccination. "It's a highly emotional state,'' the father said. "It takes time to wrestle with this. ... There are all sorts of different distractions.''

At first, they didn't know her condition would be permanent. Health-care professionals tried to give them hope.

Only through careful questioning did the parents learn the likely long-term prognosis for their daughter. They hoped that her condition would not be permanent, but they realized they had to plan as if it were.

When a pediatric neurologist told them he believed the girl's problems were linked to the vaccine, he suggested they might seek compensation from the fund. That was when they learned the urgency of filing such a claim.

The fund operates with strict time limits, and the family said it spoke publicly to help make others aware of the potential for compensation and its timetables.

A child injured by a vaccine must file a claim within three years after the first symptoms appear.

The family of a child who dies must file within two years of the death.

No lawsuits concerning vaccine injuries can be filed in a civil court, the law says, until after a claim has been filed with the vaccine compensation program and the litigant has decided to reject its award.

As a result, the number of lawsuits filed against vaccine manufacturers has plunged since the fund's inception: four suits against DTP makers in 1997, compared with 255 in 1985.

In New Jersey, four attorneys are listed by the Court of Federal Claims for filing vaccine-related claims with the program. Roth and her partner, Drew Britcher of Britcher, Leone & Roth, are two of them.

"People need to know to get to the fund,'' Roth said. "They have this child. They have huge medical bills.

They'll be capped-out on their insurance. There is a place to go. If you don't go there, you aren't going to go anywhere. You will be dismissed from state court, and have no recourse.''

The program, which operates with a special master, pays attorney fees regardless of whether the claim succeeds or fails. The fees are based on an hourly rate of $175, plus expenses - not a percentage of the settlement, as in malpractice cases. Awards for pain and suffering are capped at $250,000.

The child is the sole beneficiary of the award, not the family. If the child dies, the annuity established as part of the award reverts to the compensation fund.

Nine years after the Central New Jersey girl's DTP shot, she continues to suffer seizures and to be affected by swelling in the brain.

"In physical development, she's a 9-year-old girl,'' said her father, chuckling that she may turn out to be the tallest member of the family. Mentally, or cognitively, however, "her development was arrested at two months.''

She cannot control her own movements, and is blind. The family cares for her at home.

Among their first purchases from the settlement is a specially equipped van, with a ramp and space for her wheelchair.

The girl weighs 47 pounds; lifting her in and out of the car has become increasingly difficult.

The van hasn't arrived yet, her mother said, "but we feel better already, just having ordered it.''

Lindy Washburn's e-mail address is washburn@northjersey.com

Not for commercial use.  For educational and discussion purposes only.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: chickenpox; diphtheria; hepatitisb; influenzatypeb; measles; mumps; pertussisdtp; polio; rubellammr; tetanus
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More information on the safety of vaccines.  I was not aware of this fund.  I may have to look into it.
1 posted on 08/25/2002 7:06:30 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: TomB; dd5339; ppaul; Al B.; webstersII; krodriguesdc; Bad~Rodeo; afraidfortherepublic; dead; ...
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2 posted on 08/25/2002 7:07:09 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Incorrigible; rubbertramp
Thanks so much for the heads up. God bless this child and her family.

We need answers -- honest, scientific answers to what's going on here.

3 posted on 08/25/2002 7:24:07 PM PDT by Al B.
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To: Al B.
Try these sites:

http://909shot.com/ and

http://www.tetrahedron.org/

4 posted on 08/25/2002 7:33:38 PM PDT by joeyman
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To: Al B.
Any doctor who vaccinates a two-month-old should not only
have his license lifted permanently, but should also spend
some time in the pen.
5 posted on 08/25/2002 8:12:29 PM PDT by Trickyguy
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To: Trickyguy
They start them out in the hospital with hep vaccines before they come home in Indiana. My 10 month old grandson got FOUR of them suckers at ONE time and they made him real sick. I was getting very worried as he not only spiked a 104 temp which my daughter-in-law had a hard time breaking, but he kept staring in one direction for long periods of time and seemed not to be able to focus on anything at all, it seemed it take about 2 months before he started to come out of it. He was just 3 months old at the time. Since then they only let them give him ONE at a time.
6 posted on 08/25/2002 8:39:31 PM PDT by GailA
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To: GailA
Four!?!? What idiot Dr. did this?

Please, everyone remember you have the right to refuse treatment from your physician if you don't agree with his methods, my own pediatricians said this. (Which is why I like this husband and wife team.)

7 posted on 08/25/2002 8:52:39 PM PDT by pubmom
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To: pubmom
One of the top ped guys in Vincennes Ind.

My youngest developed a knot on his leg and the leg stiff for several weeks from his 2nd dpt, he dragged his leg for over a month. I warned my son not to let them do it.

My daughter-in-law bless her heart is not one of those who can stand up to a doc very well she is a nurse's aide to use to taking orders from the medical profession. My son now takes Matthew for his DR appointments. They won't bully him.

8 posted on 08/25/2002 9:12:32 PM PDT by GailA
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To: Al B.
We need answers -- honest, scientific answers to what's going on here.

There are doctors out there who realize the connection even to adult reactions. When my wife went quad the Neurologist asked almost daily about her vaccines especially if she had taken recent ones. He was thinking Gilliam Barre {SP} possible from flu shots but the respitory dysfunction wasn't there.

I also have two realitives who are sibilings to each other. As very young children {1970's} they developed Muscular Dystrophy symptoms but doctors could not label or identify the specific type. The doctors now suspect vaccines as the likely cause. The oldest is a pariplegic the younger one a quad. It hit the youngest one earlier in development.

9 posted on 08/25/2002 9:25:36 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: MSCASEY
bump
10 posted on 08/25/2002 9:31:40 PM PDT by niki
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To: GailA
My youngest developed a knot on his leg and the leg stiff for several weeks from his 2nd dpt, he dragged his leg for over a month. I warned my son not to let them do it.

My daughter-in-law bless her heart is not one of those who can stand up to a doc very well she is a nurse's aide to use to taking orders from the medical profession. My son now takes Matthew for his DR appointments. They won't bully him.

Sometimes in cases as this you have to stand on your principles even if it means standing alone. 8 months ago I found myself in conflict with about 5 doctors over some medications. I'm certain if I hadn't gotten some fast answers besides theirs and stuck to my gut feeling with what little information I had to fight with I would be a widower right now.

A reaction to a medication of any kind is just that. It is a reaction or rather a conflict that and no doctor can predict the extent of the next reaction despite what they say. I never raised kids from birth but the things I see being done to my grandkids by the so called experts is insane. They don't mind a bombardment of artifical nutrition but insist natural foods be avoided? Don't give them table food {blended} but by all means they must have an immune system altering vaccine before leaving the hospital? Common sense says stay away from some foods but I do have to wonder how we survived as a race without artifical nutrition for babies before these great minds rescued us? /Sarcasm

11 posted on 08/25/2002 10:20:49 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: Trickyguy; TomB; Jim Noble
I suppose you'd like having tetany, meningitis, polio, and diphtheria? The national vaccine protocol is well established. While you can argue about some vaccines and the timing intervals, you can't argue against giving DTaP at two months old. Most developing nations deliver the vaccine at 4-8 weeks (earlier than the US does).
12 posted on 08/25/2002 10:46:04 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: GailA
Gail,
You are well meaning and misguided in your opinion. The physician was following the ESTABLISHED norm. It is NOT established norm to prevent a child from getting the vaccines which are necessary to prevent major infant illnesses which kill kids every year around Earth.
13 posted on 08/25/2002 10:47:18 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: cva66snipe
Your incident is not comparable to delivery of vaccines. The fact is that treatment for diseases can vary. Immunizations do not vary in the same regard. There can be many drugs to treat a symptom. Immunization is a substantially different. Either you give it or don't. If you don't give it, then you subject not only yourself and your family to the disease... you also subject the entire community and potentially the entire nation.
14 posted on 08/25/2002 10:49:35 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Incorrigible
Well, it certainly shows the PROFIT motive of those who are attempting to BLOCK administration of vaccines for our entire nation. I would not be surprised if these same individuals are actually tied to Al Quada. Why else would they want our citizenry susceptible to weaponized diseases like smallpox?
15 posted on 08/25/2002 10:50:51 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: bonesmccoy
you can't argue against giving DTaP at two months old

What a crock.

You can argue against anything you want, unless you hit a brick wall arguing with someone who has non-scientific adherence to his opinions.

16 posted on 08/25/2002 11:09:57 PM PDT by krb
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To: Incorrigible
BUMP
17 posted on 08/25/2002 11:11:57 PM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: bonesmccoy
The first inncident in post 9 was even by the attending Neurologist possibly vaccine linked. The final diagnoses was Transverse Myleitus. Sources include Vaccines like Polio. We now think it was Polio Relapse Syndrome she has slight classic Polio dystortions in three limbs. The realitives I spoke about in that same post are in wheel chairs and in their nearly 30 years on this earth the only answer doctors have been able to say is vaccine. You better believe the oldest who has two kids thought long & hard about vaccines. I think you would too.

Post 11 I think was another story. It involved Accute and Advanced Serotonin Syndrome which no less than 5 doctors including 3 attending ER and 2 shrinks missed. They didn't do their simple diagnostics of looking up the blasted medications which was Trazadone & Zoloft. One of the E.R. morons while she was comatose just stood their looking at her. The next hospital was more intersted in a patient dump. After she suffered through a relapse thanks to the drug being reintroduced I found out about the reaction on line. The attending still would not say it was so till I pointed out his own hospitals pharmacology professor wrote the paper.

Now our GP even knows that neither of us are to take so much as Robintusin or OTC cold medications containing Serotonin inhibitors. I had reactions to SSRI's myself the doctors ignored my complaints. I now realize the symptoms for what they were.

Look as for the vaccines? They need to be slowed down somewhat especially in kids. Like GailA posted one at a time and not a cocktail of all in one. Any sign of reaction should stop the vaccine. It means there is conflict. That was true when I was taking 4 years of allergy shots also. The doctor said if I have a reaction that was the end of the treatment my body was intollorant to the vaccine. They went as far as watching me for 30 minutes after treatment. If there wasn't a problem there wouldn't be a fund the whole mess would be thrown out.

Truth is vaccines are now being linked to such things as Autism. When problems like that start increasing as it seems they are in relation to the rise in numbers of vaccines then we need to see what's going on. Likely it is a matter that even waiting 3 months into development can solve or a spacing out of treatments. I don't want to see those diseases come back but I want the vaccines used in a manner that causes the least risk like i do any other medication.

18 posted on 08/25/2002 11:20:02 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: Incorrigible
So, using your logic (monetary awards proving the dangers of a product), you would have to say that breast implants cause autoimmune disease.

Right?

19 posted on 08/26/2002 1:57:15 AM PDT by TomB
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To: Incorrigible
Indexing,thanks L~
20 posted on 08/26/2002 3:27:25 AM PDT by Bad~Rodeo
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To: bonesmccoy
Well, it certainly shows the PROFIT motive of those who are attempting to BLOCK administration of vaccines for our entire nation. I would not be surprised if these same individuals are actually tied to Al Quada.

-- from bonesmccoy

First, the implied threats and attempts to intimidate, recapped here.

Then the constant whining to JimRob.

Now this.

Congratulations, you've outdone even yourself.  That is outrageous

21 posted on 08/26/2002 4:09:45 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: bonesmccoy; Vic3O3
Not to open up a can of worms here, but Bones, what's your thought on the small pox vaccine?

Semper Fi
22 posted on 08/26/2002 5:57:22 AM PDT by dd5339
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To: bonesmccoy; dd5339
Well, it certainly shows the PROFIT motive of those who are attempting to BLOCK administration of vaccines for our entire nation. I would not be surprised if these same individuals are actually tied to Al Quada. Why else would they want our citizenry susceptible to weaponized diseases like smallpox?

So, you're suggesting the CDC is in league w/Al Qaeda?? Since the CDC is refusing to offer smallpox vaccine to the general populace, they must be suspect!

And, since the CDC says that even those of us previously vaccinated against sm-pox have little to no immunity left, we'd all have to get revaccinated (apparently every 7-10 yrs to keep a strong immunity).

23 posted on 08/26/2002 6:29:47 AM PDT by Vic3O3
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To: Incorrigible
My daughter had a severe reaction to her first DTP shot. She had a fever, was lethargic, wouldn't eat, etc - everything but the seizures. Scared the holy living shit out of us! We came this close || to calling 911 and/or rushing her to the hospital. She has not had the pertussis shot since and has not had another reaction from just the DT. She's grown into a normal, healthy little girl, thank God.

"They" have not tried to make us give her the pertussis, but she starts kindergarden this year and they may raise a stink if they notice her records do not include pertussis. I don't care - there is no way she will ever have another pertussis shot.

24 posted on 08/26/2002 6:46:39 AM PDT by SW6906
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To: TomB
So, using your logic (monetary awards proving the dangers of a product), you would have to say that breast implants cause autoimmune disease.

Right?

Well, like I said in the other thread, once the lawyers get involved, scientific clarity tends to dissipate.

I have become convinced that there are extenuating circumstances (heavy use of hair dye being just one) that lead to autoimmune disease beyond silicone breast implants if indeed there's any link between the two at all!  Yes, junk science and greedy lawyers led to the Dow Corning train wreck.  I don't understand women who get cosmetic implants anyway but that's a whole other subject.

I agree with childhood vaccinations.  I would suggest (though not stridently) that parents push the timetable for injections back by 6 months but that's about it.  I just figured I throw a little red meat into the cage with this article.

25 posted on 08/26/2002 9:57:47 AM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: krb
Care to offer something of scientific value to the discussion? Or is your entire logic chain based on paranoia and personal attacks?
26 posted on 08/26/2002 1:01:29 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Vic3O3
No. Go read my hundreds of other postings before making that kind of lame statement. I can't believe how idiotic some of these messages are.

I've already posted a ton of messages and started multiple threads on the smallpox issue.

27 posted on 08/26/2002 1:02:51 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: cva66snipe
It's not "Polio relapse syndrome"... it sounds more like vaccine associated paralytic polio....

Roughly 1 in a 500,000 doses end up getting polio from the oral polio vaccine. This is why we ended use of the oral polio vaccine two years ago.

You know NOTHING regarding vaccines. We're already had this discussion and you are continuing to post your rhetoric here. Why?

28 posted on 08/26/2002 1:07:32 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Al B.; Jim Robinson; Jim Noble; TomB
The only thing outrageous is the total lack of respect for well-established public health protocols RESPONSIBLE for ending generations of disease.

Care to join the rest of the 21st Century?

29 posted on 08/26/2002 1:08:59 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: krodriguesdc
K. Rodrigues, DC... the man who is a democrat from Massachusetts and won't post his credentials. Nice to have you join this thread too.
30 posted on 08/26/2002 1:10:05 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: bonesmccoy
I don't know what to say to you - I am a registered Republican and I voted for GW - whatever!
31 posted on 08/26/2002 2:04:59 PM PDT by krodriguesdc
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To: bonesmccoy; dd5339
1) It's not a 'lame' statement. It is exactly what your post in this thread indicates.

2) Your posting volume is irrelevant to the matter at hand.

3) If you don't like the posts, quit reading them!
32 posted on 08/26/2002 2:13:02 PM PDT by Vic3O3
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To: bonesmccoy
It's not "Polio relapse syndrome"... it sounds more like vaccine associated paralytic polio.... Roughly 1 in a 500,000 doses end up getting polio from the oral polio vaccine. This is why we ended use of the oral polio vaccine two years ago. You know NOTHING regarding vaccines. We're already had this discussion and you are continuing to post your rhetoric here. Why?

No DOCTOR the LIVE VACCINE WAS NOT USED IN THE 1950's now was it? I think I'm right on that. Second onset of Quadriplegia was at age 35 in 1985 not in the 1950's no vaccine taken for POLIO within 30-35 years. Third DOCTOR LOOK AT INFORMATION on TRANSVERSE MYELITIS. What is it linked to? Does most information not include Vaccines??? Well doctor?? Does it not also say POILO? She as I took both the Salk and Sabian vaccine. But the live vaccine was not in production till she was 10 years old or 1960 era right?

BTW the POLIO possibility was discovered in a Physical Rehabilation Center with a good national reputation. I saw the onset happen with my own two eyes. It took one hour from walking to quadriplegia. There is nothing not one thing I have posted in this thread that is not aviable at many reputable sources. Maybe she had mild Polio before even getting the Salk vaccine we simply do not know nor neither do you. She had minor limb dysfunction as early as 6-7 years old 1956-57 along in there.

You are a doctor you must know Polio can and does come back later in life and does more Neurological Damage. Transverse Myleitis is indeed linked to Polio and the Polio vaccine. If the symptoms were 30 years delayed from previous occurance would it not be relapse? BTW no other test showed cause for this.

I don't call what has been posted in here irresponsible but rather experiences of some who have seen for themselves bad reactions.

33 posted on 08/26/2002 2:19:59 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: bonesmccoy; Al B.
BTW Bones look in this thread very closely. Do you see even one poster calling for the elimination of all vaccines? NO! You see some posters telling about reaction & isues that doctors such as yourself and the pharmacutical company should be taking serious.

As a point in this manner you will also find many shrinks and GP's who will dispense SSRI's like candy never telling patient about their dangers and yes doctor their are risk. Don't tell me their aren't you wern't there for hell week. Many complications come from doctors not doing simple medical history workups and it's relationship to the pharmacology involved which points to conditions SSRI's would not be prudent for treatment.

You see I know one common link to Serotonin Syndrome and anxiety disorders. You do not enhance someones very dysfunctional sensory receptor, transmission, and interpitation system with SSRI's without extreme caution. A common dysfunction I share with my wife is Vestibular Dysfunction hers due to quadriplegia mine due to allergies. Vestibular Dysfunction is a cause of Anxiety Disorder. I can back it up. It's been suspect since the mid 1970's found by a research shrink/ Neurologist and now backed up by Vestibular research. The Doctor? Harold Levinson. Go tell this to your Shrink friends and listen to them laugh and trust me they will. Then go on line and see for yourself the links of Vestibular Dysfunction to Cognitive Behavioral problems. Both of us it seems are SSRI intollorant. Yet I fought against doctors who said the SSRI will not cause reactions both of us had to them including Dysreflexia.

If a vaccine or a medication produces allergic reaction it is best to stop the vaccine till further investigation is done in that person. And that is what is being talked about here individual cases of reactions where the ounce of prevention my be worse than the illness itself or risk may be lower of not ever catching that virus or whatever than continuing a course of treatment in a patient where bad reactions have occured.

Now just for the record and you can ask ALB. on this matter. I used to be on these threads saying there was no or little risk in SSRI's.

That is why I brought SSRI's up this up the very same attitude exist in the medical community on vaccines as it does with SSRI's. Yet the discussions I had with him and many other Freepers on this very matter likely save my wife's life. You are a doctor you should know better than to wholesale dismiss this discussion as nonsense. Calling for the safest form of treatment and looking into or reviewing complications is the foundations of medical science.

Remember the first rule. Do no harm. I have ran into many who long ago forgot that. I have also ran into good doctors who take the time to keep themselves up to date. Let's go back to where in 1985 when the onset of quadriplegia hit my wife. The very first questions the Neurologist asked concerned vaccines. She had not taken any in over 5 years for any reason. The last injection was 5 years earlier for a simple TB test to get a health card.

34 posted on 08/26/2002 4:29:03 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: cva66snipe
Dear navy swabbie,

Grow up and go talk to your physician. I'm not going to spend hours each day trying to address your mistaken views. Your scientific arguments are weak and I've already had multiple email messages with you regarding your conduct. good day.

35 posted on 08/27/2002 7:50:40 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: krodriguesdc
K Rodrigues DC?
Won't state his credentials... game over!
36 posted on 08/27/2002 7:51:12 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Vic3O3
It IS a lame statement because you didn't address anything of scientific merit and you continue to spit and spew your personal attacks rather than addressing the issue in the thread.
37 posted on 08/27/2002 7:53:34 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: krodriguesdc
POST YOUR CREDENTIALS then we can talk.
38 posted on 08/27/2002 7:53:53 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: bonesmccoy
I don't think I am being misguided or irrational we have a family history (more than one incident) of advers reactions to vaccines and medicines.

My children are NOT preventing their child from being vaccinated. They are just doing them ONE at a time to lessen his reaction to them. It was the giving of FOUR at one time that made Matthew so sick. When you have a known family history of bad reactions it is a WISE parent that uses a degree of caution. By doing ONE at a time they can best determine which one caused ADVERSE maybe threatening reactions.

Just because it is the NORM does NOT make it right for everyone. NOT every one is 'average'.

We have a family history of BAD reactions to medicines.

39 posted on 08/27/2002 9:41:33 AM PDT by GailA
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To: bonesmccoy; Vic3O3
Speaking of posting credentials, how about posting yours?

Specifically where did you go to medical school, what years did you attend. Where and when did you do your residency? Where are you currently practicing and in what capacity?

As you so rudely point out all this advice is supposedly uniformed opinion. How can anyone put any trust in your posts when you are appear as nothing more than a frothing vaccine fanatic.

If you are a practicing doctor, how do you find so much time to spend online? I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, I spend spare moments at work monitoring FreeRepublic threads.

Semper Fi
40 posted on 08/27/2002 9:50:33 AM PDT by dd5339
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To: bonesmccoy
For the record here are articles with some links to prove my postings. They are credible sources. BTW me and you have not to the best of my recollection discussed this issue in public forum or private exchange. We had one E-mail exchange on records privacy before that I don't think I ever posted to you unless you changed names. The first one is on Transverse Myleitis.

Transverse myelitis

Author/s: Carol A. Turkington

Definition

Transverse myelitis (TM) is an uncommon neurological syndrome caused by inflammation (a protective response which includes swelling, pain, heat, and redness) of the spinal cord, characterized by weakness, back pain, and bowel and bladder problems. It affects one to five persons per million.

Description

TM affects the entire thickness of the spinal cord, producing both sensory and movement problems. It is believed to be linked to the immune system, which may be prompted to attack the body's own spinal cord. Striking rapidly without warning, its effects can be devastating.

Causes & symptoms

Transverse myelitis has many different causes, often triggered by a variety of viral and bacterial infections (especially those associated with a rash such as measles or chickenpox). Once the infection subsides, the inflammation in the cord begins. About a third of patients experience a flu-like illness with fever about the time they develop symptoms of TM. Sometimes, there appears to be a direct invasion of, and injury to, the spinal cord by an infectious agent (such as herpes zoster or the AIDS virus).

TM can also accompany a variety of diseases that break down tissue that surrounds and insulates the nerves (demyelinating diseases), such as multiple sclerosis (MS).

Some toxic substances, such as carbon monoxide, lead, or arsenic, can cause a type of myelitis characterized by inflammation followed by hemorrhage or bleeding that destroys the entire circumference of the spinal cord. Other types of myelitis can be caused by poliovirus; herpes zoster; rabies, smallpox or polio vaccination; or parasitic and fungal infections. Many experts believe that TM can occur without any apparent cause, probably as the result of an autoimmune process. This means that a person's immune system attacks the spinal cord, causing inflammation and tissue damage.

Regardless of the cause of the myelitis, onset of symptoms is sudden and rapid. Problems with movement and sensation appear within one or two days after inflammation begins. Symptoms include soft (flaccid) paralysis of the legs, with pain in the lower legs or back, followed by loss of feeling and sphincter (muscles which close an opening, as in the anus) control. The earliest symptom may be a girdle-like sensation around the trunk.

The extent of damage occuring will depend on how much of the spinal cord is affected, but TM rarely involves the arms. Severe spinal cord damage also can lead to shock.

Diagnosis

A doctor will suspect transverse myelitis in any patient with a rapid onset of paralysis. Medical history, physical examination, brain and spinal cord scans, myelogram, spinal tap, and blood tests are used to rule out other neurological causes of symptoms, such as a tumor. If none of these tests suggest a cause for the symptoms, the patient is presumed to have transverse myelitis.

Treatment

There is no effective treatment for transverse myelitis, but any underlying infection must be treated. After this, the focus of care shifts from diagnosis and treatment to learning how to live with the effects of the syndrome. Patients are helped to cope psychologically with new limitations, and are given physical rehabilitation.

Let's go to another topic called Serotonin Syndrome. Now Bones I want you too look closely at this article and two medications listed are they or are they not common OTC cold medications?

Management and Prevention No specific therapeutic approach to the treatment of serotonin syndrome has been fully evaluated in the literature. The most common treatment involves the use of the benzodiazepines. In severe cases, the antiserotonergic agents cyproheptadine, methysergide, and propranolol have been used.3,6,11 In all cases the suspected agent should be discontinued. Over-the-counter drugs containing ingredients known to increase serotonin levels or exacerbate the patient’s condition, such as dextromethorphan, pseudoephedrine or phenylpropanolamine, also should be discontinued.

Oh I forgot to list the source. http://www.uspharmacist.com/NewLook/DisplayArticle.cfm?item_num=94 Take notice of the two authors names and credidentials. It was the same University's hospital in Knoxville where the even of Serotonin posioning went undiagnosed. They've known this condition existed for over 40 years. But some Bull Headed Doctors it seems forgot their basics.

The next point I have made is why you do not give some patients SSRI's for anxiety. Tell me doctor is SSRI's a protocol drug for Inner Ear Dysfunction or Infections? See the danger there? I sure do. These BTW are from highy respectable sources. For Inner Ear related Anxiety Info I go to Vestibular Research sources and not mental health ones as the information is more accurate.

I have never discussed this with you and i think you have me confused with someone else. You see before January of this year I was in threads giving those who were questioning SSRI's saftey a hard time and plenty in this forum know it. Am I still anti SSRI? No but the doctors are not prescribing them with needed restraint and ruling out primary physical causes before they put persons like me and my wife through hell trying their favorite SSRI flavor of the month. Funny thing is all say they are different. But all including the MAO class have potential to disrupt Serotonin levels and cause miagration from stomach to brain. I know my stuff dotor exdperiences especially bad ones are good teachers to learn by.

Oh BTW if you say Gillian Barre is not caused by vaccines I'll take you on with that one as well. Here it is from the government BTW. Sourced http://www.ninds.nih.gov/health_and_medical/disorders/gbs.htm

What is Guillain-Barre Syndrome? Guillain-Barré (ghee-yan bah-ray) syndrome is a disorder in which the body's immune system attacks part of the peripheral nervous system. The first symptoms of this disorder include varying degrees of weakness or tingling sensations in the legs. In many instances, the weakness and abnormal sensations spread to the arms and upper body. These symptoms can increase in intensity until the muscles cannot be used at all and the patient is almost totally paralyzed. In these cases, the disorder is life-threatening and is considered a medical emergency. The patient is often put on a respirator to assist with breathing. Most patients, however, recover from even the most severe cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome, although some continue to have some degree of weakness. Guillain-Barré syndrome is rare. Usually Guillain-Barré occurs a few days or weeks after the patient has had symptoms of a respiratory or gastrointestinal viral infection.

Occasionally, surgery or vaccinations will trigger the syndrome. The disorder can develop over the course of hours or days, or it may take up to 3 to 4 weeks. No one yet knows why Guillain-Barré strikes some people and not others what sets the disease in motion. What scientists do know is that the body's immune system begins to attack the body itself, causing what is known as an autoimmune disease. Guillain-Barré is called a syndrome rather than a disease because it is not clear that a specific disease-causing agent is involved Reflexes such as knee jerks are usually lost. Because the signals traveling along the nerve are slower, a nerve conduction velocity (NCV) test can give a doctor clues to aid the diagnosis. The cerebrospinal fluid that bathes the spinal cord and brain contains more protein than usual, so a physician may decide to perform a spinal tap.

Occasionally, surgery or vaccinations will trigger the syndrome

Now I guess that's why her Neurologist 17 years ago was asking about any recent vaccines huh doc? As for possible Post Polio Relapse? Well the slight limb deformities discovered before atrophy {SP} set in points to Polio likely in a mild form. From the Vaccine? Who knows she took both. The Physical Therapist measured her limbs because they couldn't understand why her arms were not long enough for her hands to reach the transfer board and lay flat. One leg is quite bigger in diameter as well. Have fun doc. Read some Journals and look up the things I said.

41 posted on 08/27/2002 3:49:41 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: bonesmccoy
Utter nonsense. Vaccinations did little to reduce disease.
Cleaning up the filth that most past generations lived in did. Look up the statistics. And it is established beyond all doubt that the catastrophic increase in autism is directly linked to vaccinations, ESPECIALLY the mercury in them. Doctors are the third leading cause of death in the US, and if the statistics were correct, I'd bet they'd be the number one cause.
42 posted on 08/27/2002 6:25:01 PM PDT by Trickyguy
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To: Incorrigible
Do a google on "thimerosal". It's used as a preservative in the vaccines. Contains mercury. Take a look at the concentration of mercury (Hg) in the thermisal, then look at the dosage given to infants. By the age of one, they have already exceeded what the EPA says is allowed for an adult. These shots have also been linked to autism and ADHT in kids. Dan Burton has a committee investigating pharmaceutical companies and the government on the vaccines. If this comes to light, every major pharmaceutical company will be in court.
43 posted on 08/27/2002 6:35:55 PM PDT by Capt_Hank
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To: GailA
A family history of "bad reactions" to medicine????

With all due respect, that is not a clinical diagnosis nor does it make scientific sense. I'm just sorry to see you go for these kinds of weak explanations. See ya'

44 posted on 08/28/2002 7:45:24 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: dd5339
Maybe instead of wasting your employer's money and time by scanning Free Republic you should do it at home????

If you think the physicians of this nation are "frothing", you can go to all the chiropractors you want. Just don't go to the Emergency Room for actual medical care when you're dying.

There is no reason to be rude. I'm just being frank and honest about the total lack of veracity and honesty by those who are stating anti-vaccine rhetoric. This rhetoric has been addressed and addressed and addressed and I'm sick and tired of seeing this board continue to put this libel and slander on the internet. It is blatantly irresponsible and the moderators need to wake up to the liability that these people are creating.

45 posted on 08/28/2002 7:48:26 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Capt_Hank
Dear Captain,

This issue is non sequitor. There is no longer any thimerosal in vaccines. You need to do less Googling and more discussion with your local physicians.

46 posted on 08/28/2002 7:49:25 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Trickyguy
Yeah, and the Earth is flat and the Apollo moon landings are a hoax. Get real.
47 posted on 08/28/2002 7:49:58 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: bonesmccoy; Vic3O3
And still no answer to my questions.

Your veracity still remains in doubt, therefore your opinions are simply that. Shame on you for attacking people who have opinions that do not agree with your opionions.

Responding to a question with an attack is no answer. As any debating coach would tell you, it's not a way to win a debate.

As to the flame about chiropractors, I can only say, "What in the hell are you talking about?" This was a discussion on vaccines. What do bone crackers have to do with it.

Again, if you don't like what you see here, feel free to change the channel.

Oh, and by the way. Reading your randomly wandering diatribes is a fun way to multitask. After all some can do more than one thing at a time.

Semper Fi
48 posted on 08/28/2002 8:14:39 AM PDT by dd5339
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To: bonesmccoy
I think if you check, thermerosal was still in some vaccines until a few years ago. My grandson, who is three, had a bad reaction from the MMR shot, the lot number had thermerol. Strange, when you talk to M.D.'s, they don't want to blame the vaccines and thermosal. High school chemistry stresses the danger of mercury poisoning.
49 posted on 08/28/2002 9:22:25 AM PDT by Capt_Hank
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To: Capt_Hank
Re: Thimerosol in vaccines

In the Apr, 2001 Burton hearings hearings on autism, the FDA rep {Dr. Midthun) said that thimerosol was (voluntarily) being taken out of newly manufactured vaccines, but that existing stocks of vaccines on manufacturers' and pharmacy shelves WERE NOT being recalled.

She offered no details as to how the FDA was going to monitor this voluntary effort by the drug companies.

Given the cozy relationship between the FDA and drug companies which has been discussed on this board many times, you can take all that for what it's worth.

If there are any further questions regarding this, I can post the entire exchange betwen Mr. Burton and Dr. Midthun. It's quite informative, but very lengthy.

50 posted on 08/28/2002 1:11:24 PM PDT by Al B.
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