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FBI to Renew Anthrax Search in Fla.
Washington Post ^ | 8/26/02 | Washington Post

Posted on 08/26/2002 6:10:34 AM PDT by Mohammed El-Shahawi

FBI to Renew Anthrax Search in Fla.

The Associated Press Monday, August 26, 2002; 8:19 AM

BOCA RATON, Fla. –– The FBI wants to take another look at an anthrax-infested building owned by tabloid publisher American Media Inc., where an employee was fatally infected last fall.

It would be the first search of the building since November, FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said Sunday. She declined to comment further, pending an FBI news conference Monday to announce additional details.

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TOPICS: Anthrax Scare
KEYWORDS: anthraxscarelist
Back to Florida? Wow, that's getting a little close to saying maybe Mohammed Atta did it after all. Steady on boys!
1 posted on 08/26/2002 6:10:35 AM PDT by Mohammed El-Shahawi
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
Wow, that's getting a little close to saying maybe Mohammed Atta did it after all.

Bob Stevens, I suspect, was exposed to Anthrax at or very near 9/11. The odds of that being a coincidence are astronomical.

2 posted on 08/26/2002 6:26:00 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Bob Stevens, I suspect, was exposed to Anthrax at or very near 9/11. The odds of that being a coincidence are astronomical.

The other coincidence that I just can't get past is the fact that the 911 terrorists were renting a damn apartment from one of the anthrax victims.

3 posted on 08/26/2002 6:31:19 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: JohnHuang2
What can this press conference today possibly have to say? Will it just be "we're doing some final checks before the building is decontaminated", or will it be something more substantive like "just in case our profiler made a rare error and the perp is not a white, right-wing, male, we've decided to look in the trash cans at AMI for letters"?
4 posted on 08/26/2002 6:33:57 AM PDT by Mohammed El-Shahawi
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To: AAABEST
The other coincidence that I just can't get past is the fact that the 911 terrorists were renting a damn apartment from one of the anthrax victims.

Exactly. And what the heck did the hijackers want crop-dusters for? Joy rides along the Florida coast? Certainly, they didn't think they could knock the WTC with crop-dusters.

5 posted on 08/26/2002 6:36:03 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
My hunch is this whole thing is subterfuge/misdirection to keep the real anthrax source (Saddam) guessing.
6 posted on 08/26/2002 6:37:24 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi; *Anthrax_Scare_List; Fred Mertz; The Great Satan; Mitchell; eno_; Nogbad
Looks like Hatfill's press conferences may have had an effect.
7 posted on 08/26/2002 6:47:07 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: JohnHuang2
And what the heck did the hijackers want crop-dusters for? Joy rides along the Florida coast?

Where've you been? Down here in Florida one of our pasttimes is renting crop dusters and flying up and down the coast sprinkling deadly bio-agents over unsuspecting populations.

It's done all the time, I don't see why this should raise the eyebrows of our law enforcement bureaucracies.

8 posted on 08/26/2002 6:50:30 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
I am deeply distressed by the negative reputation being earned by the FBI and hope that the organization can be overhauled before necessitating a name change - "bumbling idiots" fits and is available (until, of course, someone hires Clinton to do a daily show). To have not pursued the leads in Florida before now seems the height of stupidity. The sheer number of coincidences belies coincidence.
9 posted on 08/26/2002 6:50:44 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
Didn't that guy Boz at American Media complain about how farcically superficial the feds' investigation in Florida was last year?
10 posted on 08/26/2002 6:54:03 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Quilla
Did you notice what Hatfill said yesterday about it taking months for the FBI to contact Bill Patrick, the leading expert on anthrax biowarfare in this country? What else do they have to do (or fail to do) to make it obvious that solving the case is not what they are about?
11 posted on 08/26/2002 6:56:13 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
Hatfil threatened to take a blood test showing he is no longer immune to anthrax. Possibly that shook things up.
12 posted on 08/26/2002 6:57:23 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: JohnHuang2
"And what the heck did the hijackers want crop-dusters for? Joy rides along the Florida coast? Certainly, they didn't think they could knock the WTC with crop-dusters."

Yup. Generally you wouldn't go looking for 'delivery' methods until/unless you have something to 'deliver.'

13 posted on 08/26/2002 7:01:41 AM PDT by blam
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To: All; Alamo-Girl
And I read someplace lately (I think it was in that series of articles on Hatfill on newsmax) that the FBI positively instructed people at American Media last year not to discuss the Jennifer Lopez letter with the Star of David that they received, and that is the suspected source of the anthrax.
14 posted on 08/26/2002 7:01:57 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
What can this press conference today possibly have to say?

In light of the fixation on Hatfill, they might be considering saying the AMI anthrax is unrelated to the DC and NY anthrax. Or maybe that Stevens picked it up from a contaminated stream while he was on vacation (one of a number of their original bumble-headed "natural source" theories, as I recall). OTOH, perhaps they can prove that Hatfill drove within 20 miles of the building once, so it proves he is rightfully "a person of interest."

15 posted on 08/26/2002 7:03:40 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: All; Alamo-Girl
Yes, it was the newsmax series. This article on the Florida anthrax contains the following significant paragraphs:

FBI's Strange Reaction

Moreover, the FBI, which dismissed the letter out of hand and denied it had any significance, for reasons not disclosed asked AMI not to go into detail about it with the media or anyone else. The whole thing just vanished from the investigative radar screen.

The Newsweek report that the Lopez letter arrived Sept. 4th, seven days before the events of the terrorist hijacking attacks, would have assumed enormous significance had the letter been kept. It would seem to point the finger of guilt directly at the 9-11 hijackers, most of whom lurked nearby until leaving for their deadly rendezvous with the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

16 posted on 08/26/2002 7:08:37 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
What else do they have to do (or fail to do) to make it obvious that solving the case is not what they are about?

But I don't understand their motivation (or lack thereof). Why not follow actual leads in an effort to solve the case? Are there that many Clinton holdovers of sufficient influence that want to blame this on the right? Could be. When I think back to the threads we've seen on the FBI's covering up or ignoring of the possible Middle East link to the Oklahoma City bombing, I shudder. Bill Clinton's motives are always suspect to me and he had his way with the FBI for eight years.

17 posted on 08/26/2002 7:09:29 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: aristeides; The Great Satan
Excellent post at #16! Thank you for the heads up!
18 posted on 08/26/2002 7:13:45 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: JohnHuang2
My thoughts exactly, John. Remember that a doctor in Florida emerged after all this happened and recalled he treated one of the hijackers not long before the attacks for a condition, that while he didn't pick up on it at the time, looked to him in retrospect like Anthrax exposure.

My guess is the gov made the Iraq link to the anthrax a long time ago, but didn't want to tip its hand until they were ready to act. Keep him guessing and off balance, IMHO.

19 posted on 08/26/2002 7:14:06 AM PDT by mitchbert
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To: Quilla; The Great Satan
But I don't understand their motivation (or lack thereof).

The Great Satan has a theory that seems to me to make sense: Saddam used Al Qaeda to deliver anthrax as a threat, and the U.S. government refuses to admit publicly that it has been intimidated out of acting against Iraq.

In addition, leftists in the media and the FBI would have additional reason not to follow leads leading to the Islamists and Iraq: that way leads a full-blown war, in which Bush would enjoy the popularity of a wartime president, and the left would be blown away.

20 posted on 08/26/2002 7:14:10 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Good point. Thanks for the heads up.
21 posted on 08/26/2002 7:15:13 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Mohammed El-Shahawi
Of course he (an cronies) did it, and that's been clear ever since the story about the "spider bite" surfaced...and the letters look like they were written by an ESL (English as a second language) person, and the first victim was not only where they lived, but was husband to the person who rented them their apartment.

"Bumbling idiots" sums it up for me.



22 posted on 08/26/2002 7:19:36 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: Alamo-Girl
FBI Overlooks Iraq's Connection to Anthrax Attacks .
23 posted on 08/26/2002 7:23:14 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
The Great Satan has a theory that seems to me to make sense: Saddam used Al Qaeda to deliver anthrax as a threat, and the U.S. government refuses to admit publicly that it has been intimidated out of acting against Iraq.

I'll buy into the first part of his theory; but, I beg do differ on the latter. Intimidate George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld? I don't think so. I'm thinking that we've had nearly a decade of systematic military depletion, we are currenty fighting in a war in Afghanistan, and we're sitting tight until we are prepared to engage and defeat Iraq.

24 posted on 08/26/2002 7:24:31 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: 11B3; abwehr; Alamo-Girl; angkor; aristeides; Betty Jo; Black Jade; bluefish; boston_liberty; ...
Sorry for any multiple pings. This looks important.
25 posted on 08/26/2002 7:25:29 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: SarahW
FBI....Feh!

I am still waiting for them to find that dumb-ass hillbilly in Andrews, North Carolina. After all, they were camped out there for two years, took over the town, got every girl pregnant, drank all the liquor, and upgraded their phone system so they could tap every call in the whole town. Not to mention all those million dollar bloodhounds that jumped off a cliff to their deaths. The FBI couldn't find who hired Craig Livingstone! I doubt they can solve anything without making the story up.

26 posted on 08/26/2002 7:35:35 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: blackdog
The FBI couldn't find who hired Craig Livingstone!

Boy howdy, but everyone at Free Republic knows and we didn't have to talk into our secret decoder watches to find out.

27 posted on 08/26/2002 7:46:00 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: mitchbert
My guess is the gov made the Iraq link to the anthrax a long time ago, but didn't want to tip its hand until they were ready to act. Keep him guessing and off balance, IMHO.

Spot on, my friend.

28 posted on 08/26/2002 7:49:48 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: blam
Bingo.
29 posted on 08/26/2002 7:50:42 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: blackdog; Fred Mertz
If the FBI managed to track down Eric Rudolph, the case would have to go to trial, and that would mean the whole government case would unravel, if Rudolph is another fall guy, Richard Jewell Number Two.

Did you notice that the bombs at the Olympic Village in Atlanta were the same as the bomb that went off at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, a couple of weeks ago (nail bombs in backpacks)? And it's not hard to imagine why Islamists would mount terror attacks on the Olympic Games in the U.S. That's when TWA 800 happened, remember?

30 posted on 08/26/2002 7:51:46 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: JohnHuang2
They why can't they just keep their yaps shut, and deal with the "Hatfills" (persons of interest) on the down-low.
Putting on the show is inexcusable.
31 posted on 08/26/2002 7:57:00 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: mitchbert
And at least two Anthrax experts from Johns Hopkins agree that it was an Anthrax infection....
32 posted on 08/26/2002 7:59:19 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: aristeides
1963 Communist Goals: #35 - Discredit/dismantle the FBI.
33 posted on 08/26/2002 8:13:25 AM PDT by Lucky
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To: Nogbad
Wow, I think it is significant. Perhaps the alleged fascination with Hatfill has been a way of misdirecting the media away from the real suspect(s)?

Thanks for the heads up.

34 posted on 08/26/2002 8:56:58 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: aristeides
Great story. Thanks for the link. Part one was extremely interesting too.
35 posted on 08/26/2002 9:15:07 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Quilla
"Intimidate George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld? I don't think so. I'm thinking that we've had nearly a decade of systematic military depletion, we are currenty fighting in a war in Afghanistan, and we're sitting tight until we are prepared to engage and defeat Iraq."

I'm with you. I have an extremely hard time believing that either GW or Rummy is in any way "intimidated" by this. Heck, they weren't "intomidated" by the WTC and Pentagon being bombed with airliners...they were PI$$ED, but not intimidated.

36 posted on 08/26/2002 9:18:27 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: aristeides
Thank you so much for the link!!!
37 posted on 08/26/2002 9:24:07 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Nogbad
bump
38 posted on 08/26/2002 10:45:40 AM PDT by Nogbad
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I caught a glimpse of the operation on a TV monitor this morning. It looked like a scene out of Repo Man, with all the people moving slowly in Hazmat suits. Either the Hazmat suits are overkill, or the people that work in the building were lied to for nearly a year. Neither choice leaves me with a lot of confidence.
39 posted on 08/26/2002 10:50:39 AM PDT by vollmond
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To: JohnHuang2
My guess is the gov made the Iraq link to the anthrax a long time ago, but didn't want to tip its hand until they were ready to act. Keep him guessing and off balance, IMHO.

Never mind the elaborate conspiracy theories. Brace yourselves folks, the FBI might be just as dumb and reckless as they appear to be.

point of information - William C. Patrick was not brought into the investigation by the FBI early on because he was considered a "person of interest". He was later brought in as an expert after he passed a polygraph. One indication at least that the FBI took seriously its domestic terrorist theory.

40 posted on 08/26/2002 11:00:47 AM PDT by Ordinary_American
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To: aristeides
Didn't that guy Boz at American Media complain about how farcically superficial the feds' investigation in Florida was last year?

Here's an article ( http://www.click10.com/mia/news/stories/news-101396320011012-111054.html ) from Oct. 12, 2001. [The name is "Coz," not "Boz."]

AMI Employee Speaks Out About Anthrax Case
Anthrax May Have Been Mailed To Company

Posted: 12:50 p.m. EDT October 12, 2001
Updated: 6:23 p.m. EDT October 12, 2001

BOCA RATON, Fla. -- The editorial director of American Media says his company knows how the man killed by anthrax was exposed to the disease. He is also making scathing comments about the Palm Beach County Health department.

Steve Coz, Editorial Director at American Media in Boca Raton, says that the company knows how the anthrax bacterium got into their building, and he says there is a connection to the terrorists.

Coz says that Bob Stevens, the employee who died of anthrax, was infected after exposure anthrax spores delivered to AMI in a letter. He said the letter came into the mailroom, and was opened by someone else who handed it to Stevens.

Bob Stevens at workBecause of vision problems, Stevens (pictured, left) then held the letter close to his face to look at it, according to Coz, giving the 63-year old a massive dose of anthrax spores.

The FBI has asked American Media not to go into detail about the letter, and they currently deny any connection between the letter and the terrorists involved in the Sept. 11 attacks.

Coz says he believes there is a connection, particularly to Mohamed Atta, the hijacker believed to be the leader of the terrorists who resided in South Florida. "We know Mohamed Atta was within three miles of the [American Media] building, we know he was within a mile of Bob Stevens house. We know that the FBI is now going to local pharmacies to see if he did in fact get Cipro. We know that he showed up at a pharmacy with red hands. There are people in this area who have very direct recollection of seeing him. He worked out in a gym where some of our employees were." The FBI continues to say they have not made a direct connection between the terrorists and the anthrax cases.

A congressional source says that more anthrax spores have been found in the mailroom of American Media, but the FBI is not confirming that or any of the statements made by Steve Coz.

Steve Coz also blasted the Palm Beach County Health Department for not informing American Media about Bob Stevens illness earlier. He said, "We found out that Bob Stevens had anthrax on the Internet at 3:00 on Thursday -- we turned on the TV sets and it was all over television. We called the Palm Beach County Health Deparment from 3:00 to 7:30 leaving messages -- we must have left 20 messages. At 7:30 somebody finally picked up the phone."

Second Man Exposed To Anthrax Improving, Has Message For Co-Workers

Ernest Blanco, the second person at American Media to have a confirmed exposure to pulmonary anthrax, continues to improve, though his family says they have been getting a mixed message about his condition.

State health officials say that Blanco does not have the full-blown case of the anthrax that killed his co-worker.

His family says they are confused and they have been told two stories. State health officials say that Blanco (pictured left, file photo) is sick with pneumonia, but doctors have told his family that he has anthrax in his blood and lungs.

Blanco no longer has a fever or is being fed intravenously. He has been moved out of intensive care and weaned off a respirator. His stepdaughter Maria Orth says that he was near death at one point. She said, "One of his doctors disagrees that he ever had anthrax … yet, another doctor assured me he did have it in his blood stream and in his lungs. It's very confusing."

Blanco was tested for anthrax because health officials said he happened to be in a hospital for what co-workers said was an unrelated heart problem.

His wife, Elda said she was rattled when she heard that her spouse had been exposed to anthrax. "I'm not one who cries much, but I feel it inside." She tested negative for anthrax but was given the antibiotic Cipro to take as a precaution.

Meanwhile her husband continues to improve. In a prepared statement he said, "To all my friends at American Media, thanks for all your prayers. Every day, little by little, I'm feeling much better. I hope to be back at work soon."

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41 posted on 08/26/2002 11:02:44 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: keri
Ping.
42 posted on 08/26/2002 11:05:07 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: aristeides
Don't discount discussions on the net, and articles from non-mainstream sheep papers on the net too.
43 posted on 08/26/2002 12:37:13 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: aristeides; Nogbad; piasa; Quilla; The Great Satan; honway; thinden
The Great Satan has a theory that seems to me to make sense: Saddam used Al Qaeda to deliver anthrax as a threat, and the U.S. government refuses to admit publicly that it has been intimidated out of acting against Iraq.

In addition, leftists in the media and the FBI would have additional reason not to follow leads leading to the Islamists and Iraq: that way leads a full-blown war, in which Bush would enjoy the popularity of a wartime president, and the left would be blown away.

Let's play with that theory a little.

Whether the government received a direct threat or not, we weren't ready to take out Saddam at that time. Could we have laid the blame for the anthrax at the feet of any one country, there would have been an overwhelming outcry from the public to go to war immediately. There likely would have been an outcry to go nuclear. People were scared and still watching the clean up at the WTC.

Perhaps you've noticed that Scrowcroft, Baker, Eagleberger, Scott Ritter, and others are against going to war with Iraq. At the end of the first war, you'll remember we finally reached an agreement that Iraq would be permitted to pump "X" amount of oil with which to buy humanitarian supplies. While Ritter was not part of the administration at that time as such, being involved with the UN inspections, he would have had close contact with them. My guess is that if anyone knew how to do it, and wanted to take the time to look, they'd find that the above-mentioned group-at least most of them-now have some interests in Iraqi oil or it's production and don't want to rock the boat (or maybe want time to divest). But I digress...back to the anthrax...

Whether there was a form of blackmail or not, the currrent Bush would have been foolish to try to tackle Iraq right after 9/11. There was too much preparation to be done. So they closed down the AMI building, where proof of Iraq's involvement will somehow lie, rather than take the chance that news of Iraq's involvement would leak.

Whether he's as ready as he would like to be or not, I think Bush has decided to give the green light for the war. I heard Buchanan mention in an interview that Bush was losing support for attacking Iraq now that our "prominent" Republicans are urging him to abandon a war effort.

The FBI announced they are going to go through the AMI building again, more thoroughly this time, and that they expect this will take about 2 weeks.

Someone mentioned in a post the other day that there will be a new moon on the 6th, which is about 2 weeks away...

Does that mean we can expect a war in 2 weeks? Not necessarily. But I think that the FBI going back into that building signals that Bush is getting ready to provide proof to the public that his war with Saddam is necessary, even if it has to be done unilaterally.

44 posted on 08/26/2002 8:42:51 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: Ordinary_American
William C. Patrick was not brought into the investigation by the FBI early on
because he was considered a "person of interest".

The Barbara Hatch Rosenberg Cabal still consider him a person of interest.

45 posted on 08/26/2002 8:57:09 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: aristeides; Nogbad
Thanks for the link in #23-I had completely missed Abbas and the mixer.

However, according to the U.N., Iraq's most effective biological weapons platform was a helicopter-borne aerosol generator that worked like an insecticide disseminator (perhaps intended for domestic use or against Iranian troops close to the Iraqi border).

It also occurs to me that the news helicopters so commonly flying over our cities could pose a real threat one of these days. I hope the FBI is monitoring helo sales and that news organizations have instituted some kind of increased security.

46 posted on 08/26/2002 9:47:38 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: Lion's Cub; honway; OKCSubmariner; Fred Mertz; glorygirl
But I think that the FBI going back into that building signals that Bush is getting ready to provide proof to the public that his war with Saddam is necessary, even if it has to be done unilaterally.

not too long ago it looked like the bush administration was about to offer up "an Iraqi connection to murrah" as justification for the war with sadaam.

now, going public with the proof of the OKC motel owner tying timmy mc, al hussaini, atta, moussoui, and lattimore together at the same location may be going overboard on the war motive.

re-opening the florida anthrax connection and "finding" proof of an Iraqi connection could get the bombing of bhagdad under way without the public outrage that would surely arise from proving a ME connection to murrah.

47 posted on 08/28/2002 6:52:24 AM PDT by thinden
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To: thinden
re-opening the florida anthrax connection and "finding" proof of an Iraqi connection could get the bombing of bhagdad under way without the public outrage that would surely arise from proving a ME connection to murrah.

That's true, but I honestly believe that the anthrax DID come from Iraq.

I also think that the reason we are going after Iraq now, besides those that are generally given, is it's strategic location. Get some bases in Iraq from a friendly government, and you're centrally located to sit on SA, Syria, and Iran--all of which are big problems. With Turkey on your north, it's much easier to keep the lid on.

As for OKC, that cat's out of the bag now.

48 posted on 08/28/2002 9:45:47 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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