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To: crypt2k
psst...marxism/communism/socialism marches on, attempting to grab control of production using environmentalist arguments.

In this article, Dr. Gray is talking about the failure of the Soviet project, which involved a model of centralized state planning. It is this model which is discredited. You may call the environmentalists and others socialists, but their methods are different; they are working within the liberal democratic system, and their remedies will be liberal democratic remedies, not Soviet remedies. I.e., expect lots of feel good indoctrination and government regulation working within a free market, not centralized state control of everything. This kind of activist "marxist" policy does not conflict with neo-liberal economics as long as it operates within the liberal democratic system. Western marxism so operates; Communist or Soviet marxism did not.

4 posted on 08/26/2002 1:55:30 PM PDT by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
,,, valid points you're making here. I'm seeing this where I am, in New Zealand. Centre-left Party with a majority in Parliament but they've largely retained the free market framework established in the mid 1980s which presently sees us ranked as the third most deregulated economy in the world. They'll have to retain it to pay for the state of the art welfare system they wish to see balancing any gains we may make in economic growth.
5 posted on 08/26/2002 2:06:44 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
The system you are describing is not new. It was pioneered by Benito Mussolini.
8 posted on 08/26/2002 2:36:05 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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