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Freepers. It is Time to Heal Our Wounds
Badjoe | 8-27-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 08/27/2002 4:40:53 AM PDT by BADJOE

It is time we take a new tack and see if we can heal our wounds. I hear by the grapevine that from this past weekend's discussions that JimRob has two black eyes and a broken arm. I have my head bandaged. I am missing one ear, and I have body bruises from top to bottom.

It was damn near like the old days wasn't it?

I am happy to report that while Willa never considered divorce, homicide did cross her mind a couple of times. The fact that I am writing this is hard evidence that she did not act on those impulses.

As I see it, there is a very simple easy way for all of FR's problems to go away. I have a comment to all parties involved and I will specifically address each of them.

The Free Republic is much bigger than any one man or woman. And it is too important for any dispute, regardless of what it is about to pull it down.

First let me clear one thing up. The next Freepathon would have been my last one regardless. It is too big a job for even me. Freepathons are the only time Willa and I exchange cross words with each other. I love all you guys, but she rubs my back, kisses me on my bald head and on occasion even cooks me dinner. (Except during a Freepathon. I damn near starved to death during the last one.)

In order of importance from least to most .

Badjoe: You are one cantankerous feisty old son of a gun. Usually mild mannered, reasonable, and all the good things, BUT when you think something needs to change you would run over your own grandmother to make it happen.

Other forums like Liberty Post, etc.: Guys you can't build yourself up by tearing the other guy down. Tout your own virtues. It is the only way you will reach the heights FR has. And believe me, I'd like to see 100 successful FR's. If there were a hundred of us none of our problems would exist. Competition cleans up the weak spots.

The DC Chapter: Thank you guys for calling me on the phone yesterday. It was very nice and very moving to speak with each of you personally. Please tear all the old pages out of your book in regard to the Free Republic Network. Neither you nor they will survive if you don't quit nursing old wounds. I have noticed that even when the Network folks say or do good things you react in ways I think are inappropriate. We really are all in this together. Let's please work to survive together. Thank you.

To the Network Board.: You are my friends. The wounds are deep between you and the DC chapter. Please don't say anything about them. At the moment even if you gave them a million dollars each they would think you have an ulterior motive. So please say nothing either way. A year from now you might be able to to have some communication.

To the Moderators: Oh my! I sincerely hope this whole post could make your jobs superfluous, as the Freepers take to heart what I will say to them, so that moderation is rarely if ever needed. I am sure you'd appreciate and like the vacation too. Would not it be nice if you could just Freep and when you occasionally came across an infraction, warn first, went back to Freeping, and checked in later to see if warning was heeded and then if necessary take the minimally possible action. Please let's try to keep our troops intact.

To the monthly donors who have cancelled: I sincerely hope you will consider reinstating your help. I know withdrawing your support is a very effective way of registering your disapproval.

To the monthly donors who have stayed on board: God bless you. FR needs you and can't survive without you.

To JimRob: You are just as damn cantankerous as I am. I sincerely hope you will post the new directions involved in our Saturday night August tenth agreement without the references to me. Apologize to the Freepers for any real or perceived injustices and ask them to hold your feet to the fire on the new directions from that agreement

To the Freepers: You are the most important of all. Without you there is no FR. I would like to see you all prick your finger and write in blood that you will argue all you want to without calling another Freeper a dumb Mofo, etc. If you find yourself in the position of not being able to carry the day in your discussion, or if another Freeper gets close to anger, just go away for a little while and come back to fight later. If you do this moderating will become unnecessary. We all will be free from fear. In the interest of healing these wounds please lay off the mods I singled out. Lay the blame on Jim and I for our failure to effectively communicate with each other. Jim and I have broad shoulders and are willing to carry the load.

I am going to post this first to the moderators through the abuse button to give them time to digest what I have written. This is to be a positive thread. I am requesting that they give an automatic one hour timeout to every Freeper, including JimRob for any inappropriate comment. You are capable criticizing with being abrasive.

I hope all the above folks I have directed my comments specifically to, post a general agreement to try to do what I have suggested. If you say you will, I will participate in the next fundraiser by just running the numbers and getting the necessary funds in. JR gets a copy of what I get without the credit card numbers. He can forward that info to a trusted Freeper volunteer to write thank you's, and to another trusted Freeper volunteer to post recognition of the donation on the fundraising thread or maybe one will do both. This will get FR past its current crisis, reduce the harsh words at Willa's and my house, and make everyone's job easier.


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To: one_particular_harbour
As to the Registered thing, I'm reminded of the tactics of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson as they are employed against people who haven't done wrong. Of course, the people protested eventually cave to the caterwauling, just to get them to shut up.

I'd rather not dwell on the "Registered thing" but all sides deserve to be heard, IMO.

I can respect that the length of time one has been a Freeper may matter, but it should not create privileges so special as to harm other Freepers.

Registered is just another screenname and he is no more important than any other person here. The fact that he is treated so is bothersome and I don't believe it does much for the "healing" that is sought right now.

I personally stopped my monthly because of Registered and what he was getting away with even before the act that got him suspended.

Now it appears that not only is he is being begged back, but logic says he will be given free reign to do whatever he pleases since banning or suspending him will be unacceptable. What else can someone conclude from all of this? I can guarantee that this is not a healing gesture for a lot of people who have been on the receiving end of his antics.

I also noticed that he rarely posted any kind of substantive thought; only cartoons and jabs at people throughout a thread. I am at a loss to understand why he is "needed" so badly, but that is for those who "need" him and doesn't really concern me.

I had to get this out of my system and I intend to let the topic of Registered go. I don't care what the man does. If he returns to FR and and picks up where he left off in his usual way or worse, without hindrance, I will probably never reinstate my contributions.

Rant over..........

101 posted on 08/27/2002 7:46:54 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Taliesan
or you are conceding to keep the donations up (it isn't clear exactly why you conceded; there is no indication you actually were persuaded by argument that some of the moderation is bad.)

Oh, here we go. Next thing ya know the "dark side" will be saying they cut their own ears off just to make it look good. ; * )

102 posted on 08/27/2002 7:49:29 AM PDT by dubyagee
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To: bvw
Who, Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan? No, they're not. They're radicals. They are way further to the left than Bob Barr and John Ashcroft are to the right. Both Barr and Ashcroft are pretty far to the right, but they work within the system and they accept it, even when they get voted out of office, as both of them did. Sharpton and Farrakhan were never elected to anything.

103 posted on 08/27/2002 7:50:30 AM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Registered is just another screenname and he is no more important than any other person here. The fact that he is treated so is bothersome and I don't believe it does much for the "healing" that is sought right now.

Wasn't he a creator of "Sore Loserman"? That is a pretty big deal, if you ask me.

104 posted on 08/27/2002 7:55:55 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: wimpycat
Sharpton's said to be running for President. My own selection of Republican exmaples were not a good parallel, but still Sharpton, at least, is a regular Democrat. Louie Farrakhan, to white Democrats is a radical, but not to many blacks.
105 posted on 08/27/2002 7:57:55 AM PDT by bvw
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To: KLT
LOL - thanks for the SoullessTrain. Good job.
106 posted on 08/27/2002 7:58:07 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: southern rock
Wasn't he a creator of "Sore Loserman"?

Well......not exactly. I don't want to get into that. Maybe someone else can explain or you can research it yourself.

But nonetheless, that should not give him a pass on bad behavior. Period !!!!!!!!!

107 posted on 08/27/2002 7:59:12 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: southern rock
Wasn't he a creator of "Sore Loserman"?

There's a great thread that discusses the history of that logo alteration. While concieved by L. N. Smithee, a number of Freepers spent the next few hours giving it graphic reality. Smithee "thanked" Registered as his version was amongst the first he saw. Registered created his version independently based on Smithee's inspiration, and it did get the most traffic, but he never claimed sole authorship that I have seen and has given way for shared credit as some others developed the same thing simultaneously.

108 posted on 08/27/2002 8:01:59 AM PDT by KC Burke
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To: bvw
Al Sharpton is a joke, and the vast majority of black people know it, too. You're taking him more seriously than black people are. They're just letting him trot out and speak his piece, but he ain't going anywhere.
109 posted on 08/27/2002 8:14:58 AM PDT by wimpycat
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To: BADJOE
Welcome back!
110 posted on 08/27/2002 8:16:04 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: wimpycat
Oh, I think he is more than a joke, but also a thing foisted on the blacks by the vile passive "progressive" racists of the NYC media.
111 posted on 08/27/2002 8:18:08 AM PDT by bvw
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To: MizSterious
It may well have been parody.......but I thought it was 'real'. So not ALL understand that type of humor, I guess.
112 posted on 08/27/2002 8:19:00 AM PDT by justshe
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To: dubyagee
Next thing ya know the "dark side" will be saying they cut their own ears off just to make it look good. ; * )

Worked for this guy... at least in the long run!


113 posted on 08/27/2002 8:22:02 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: southern rock
Wasn't he a creator of "Sore Loserman"? That is a pretty big deal, if you ask me.

CPL BAUM was the creator of the "Sore Loserman" notion.
I made some graphic changes including changing the Democrat star to a tear drop.

Registered designed the last version which became the F.R. standard for the concept.

In short, it was a "team" effort entirely and as such the credit IMHO goes to F.R. generally and CPL BAUM specifically, notwithstanding my friend "Registered"s graphic brilliance.

Registered has done way better things since than. He's a good man whom I respect greatly.

He will be the first to tell you that he should not be revered.

114 posted on 08/27/2002 8:24:15 AM PDT by MassExodus
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To: BADJOE
Badjoe...

I for one will be glad when this "meism" is over with. It is tiring, boring, and of no value. Dragging it on and on deadens everyones sensibilities. Good intent is ruined by boorishness.

115 posted on 08/27/2002 8:26:07 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: bvw
But he still is "fringe" who is so out of touch with reality that his initiatives will never see the light of day, unless they happen to be reasonable, which I seriously doubt. As a matter of fact, if he ever did have something reasonable to say, nobody would listen to him because he's so radical and ridiculous. Any good ideas will be co-opted by someone more mainstream.
116 posted on 08/27/2002 8:27:30 AM PDT by wimpycat
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To: justshe
He posted parody-lyrics to popular songs, too. Did you think they were the original lyrics? Have you ever read the Onion? Do you think they're reporting the real news?

That's what parody is. You take one part of something already in existence, add a good-sized dollop of silliness, and you have a hot cup of parody. Some is more delicious than others, but it always requires a sense of humor to both produce it and appreciate it. Registered, PJComix and others have used the same recipe for years. (Although I admit, Al Gore might not have thought "Sore-Loserman" was as hilarious as we did....)

I'm betting that the only people who didn't see Fresno's parody for what it was were the people who really, really wanted him gone. Now he is.

117 posted on 08/27/2002 8:28:55 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: MizSterious
I'm not sure were Registered, et al have gone, but I have seen Lazamataz post at FreeSpeech.com. I don't think the posters there are AFers; actually, I think they mostly debate with DUers. So many factions, so little time...
118 posted on 08/27/2002 8:37:53 AM PDT by snefling
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To: justshe; MizSterious
In retrospect, FDA regrets any confusion his parody post brought to those not closely following the banter between the VD trial watchers...for that, he apologizes...but...he does not apologize for objecting to the heavy handed/one sided Moderation of threads in the Smokey Back Room...no profanity, racism, violence....better add...jokes at the owner...WOW
119 posted on 08/27/2002 8:39:55 AM PDT by Krodg
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To: wimpycat
Any good ideas will be co-opted by someone more mainstream.

After Henry Hyde and the House Managers finished their actions in the House, we expected similar co-option by Trent Lott and others. Alas, sometimes being mainstream is so important that First Principles are forgotten.

The question for conservatives of all stripe in Republican Party politics is always: Do we wish to join the Rinos or replace them in influence.

120 posted on 08/27/2002 8:45:38 AM PDT by KC Burke
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To: MizSterious
You would be wrong in your assumption: "I'm betting that the only people who didn't see Fresno's parody for what it was were the people who really, really wanted him gone. Now he is."

I don't know Fresno from adam.......sorry. So that horse 'don't run'.

And of course I know what parody is...and what the The Onion is. And I was SIMPLY stating that I thought his post was real. That does NOT indicate that I don't have a sense of humor....or a secret glee that he is gone. Nothing could be further from the truth.

No ulterior motives. No conspiracy. Just a statement of my opinion that *I* thought the statement was real.

No need to read more into MY comment than the actual words written. Ok?

121 posted on 08/27/2002 8:47:27 AM PDT by justshe
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To: justshe
Sorry for your loss.
122 posted on 08/27/2002 8:48:29 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: Krodg
AHA! Maybe that explains some of the misunderstanding, at least on my part. I didn't frequent the VD threads so would have no history or frame of reference for his comment.
123 posted on 08/27/2002 8:49:41 AM PDT by justshe
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To: lodwick
That one had me laughing for about five minutes. Thanks!
124 posted on 08/27/2002 8:58:17 AM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: KC Burke
I don't know what specific initiatives you expected Trent Lott et al to co-opt after impeachment or what the deadline was for them to do it. I didn't expect anything, except that history would prove to everybody who was on the fence that the House Managers were right to do what they did. I think you're question about joining the Rinos or replacing them in influence is a valid one. I, for one, want to replace them in influence. How that is done is the sticking point.
125 posted on 08/27/2002 8:59:10 AM PDT by wimpycat
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To: one_particular_harbour
It's not enough for you guys to take your marbles and go home, you want to crush everybody else's marbles in the process.

They don't have any marbles, so they want to crush everybody else's.

126 posted on 08/27/2002 9:03:25 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: cynicom
I for one will be glad when this "meism" is over with. It is tiring, boring, and of no value. Dragging it on and on deadens everyones sensibilities.

Hush now, Louie. Common sense be damned! You couldn't get this much entertainment watching "Days of Our Lives". :)

But you're right, egotism is a driving force here.

127 posted on 08/27/2002 9:20:10 AM PDT by xJones
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To: MizSterious
Hoping this doesn't get me banned either, but until something is done about this situation, my pocketbook is superglued shut.

Why do I get the feeling that "MizSterious" has never given a dime to help support FR?

These "notice me please" posts are getting old.

128 posted on 08/27/2002 9:21:04 AM PDT by anymouse
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To: Billy_bob_bob
;-) This thread may need more of the same before the days out.

Have a blast.
129 posted on 08/27/2002 9:21:33 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: MizSterious
...but until something is done about this situation, my pocketbook is superglued shut.

Mine too!

130 posted on 08/27/2002 9:22:42 AM PDT by 2timothy3.16
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To: anymouse
Not that it's any of your business, but until recently I was a "dollar a day" member of long standing. Ask Joe. I would be again (in a heartbeat) if something constructive and substantive were done about the moderating policies.
131 posted on 08/27/2002 9:24:07 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: wimpycat
How that is done is the sticking point.

And a very sticky one at that.

132 posted on 08/27/2002 9:26:56 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: xJones
Brand X...

One has only to view the list offered by Robinson, of the former "inmates" that wanted to run the asylum, or were engaged in egoism, or both. It is rare indeed these days to have a sustainable discussion here on FR, concerning world events.

Ok, had my say, will return to my burrow. Louie....

133 posted on 08/27/2002 9:27:44 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I thought this was a good thread to post this, but I did not care for some of your older posts and went out of my way to upset you on another thread and I should not have done that. My apologies. I also read your article about the asteroid and thought it informative.
134 posted on 08/27/2002 9:28:36 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: MizSterious
I would be again (in a heartbeat) if something constructive and substantive were done about the moderating policies.

What is your idea of "constructive and substantive" that should be done about the policies. What exactly would open your pocketbook again?

135 posted on 08/27/2002 9:37:00 AM PDT by wimpycat
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To: wimpycat
...what specific initiatives you expected Trent Lott et al to co-opt after impeachment...

To use their majority to enforce the rules of the Senate and allowing full evidence, thereby allowing the Senate to sit as judges as outlined in the Constitution. Instead, Lott and others, became concerned about collegial matters, and being percieved as mainstream (i.e., being in accord with generally popular opinion) and subsiquently minimalized themselves and those that had done the work in the House before them in the eyes of conservatives now and history later.

Keep in mind your original contention revolved around measuring the worth of voices against a supposed mainstream. While good government is a slow evolutionary process, (Hayek, Constitution of Liberty, Chapter 4)it is not a finger in the wind, and without those voices, me may well be such.

Lastly, worth determined primarily by who in the conservative cosmos someone supported in a contested election, is short sighted. Good politics is the Art of the Possible and that includes building concensis.

136 posted on 08/27/2002 9:46:45 AM PDT by KC Burke
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To: wimpycat
1. Moderating should be done fairly. IE, when a moderator's pet baits people, and they finally respond in kind, either both people should be punished, or neither should be punished.

2. Messages (and threads) should not be pulled simply because a moderator doesn't like the opinion expressed (such as innocence or guilt of a defendant), or because the moderator's friends did not like the opinions expressed. (We're not talking state secrets and major political opinions here--we're talking about a non-political subject!)

3. The smokey backroom should be as Jim wrote of it--a place where people can, if needed, duke it out (within reason). It's not. It's moderated as heavily as any other part of the forum, see #1 & #2.

In one instance, someone responded to a MP's "wink wink" comment with "Is something in your eye?" and the post got pulled. Where's the liberal, racist, obscene language in that post? In another, someone said "bite me;" an MP responded "screw you." "Bite me" got removed; to my best knowledge, "screw you" is still there.

That's not moderating. That's just wielding power because they want to, and because they can. And that is what I'm objecting to. I have no qualms about removing the bad language, the racist posts, the threatening posts, and the garbage from the liberal trolls. None whatever. This other stuff, though...(shaking head)...

137 posted on 08/27/2002 9:51:22 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: staytrue
Thanks for that. I too will make the effort to keep my temper in check...

Take care.
138 posted on 08/27/2002 9:55:44 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: one_particular_harbour
I, for one, am glad I made the decision to be wishywashy on this matter. I am, of course, a pragmatist.

It seemed more like a dust-up between the CEO and CFO, between editor and publisher. And I'm glad it's resolved.

139 posted on 08/27/2002 9:55:52 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: MizSterious
Well said, Miz. If all actions are as close to even-handed and across the board as possible, there is really nothing to complain about.

Inconsistency rarely accomplishes a goal and it didn't here. If nothing else comes of this "airing", I hope that there is less of a double standard/special treatment atmosphere. I have some doubts, given some of the things stated within this thread, but I am an optimist and always have hope.

After all, the donations come from all corners. I doubt the privileged are the only ones that give.

140 posted on 08/27/2002 9:59:44 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Catspaw
Good choice there.

Now please remove your paw from my cheeseburger. ;-)

141 posted on 08/27/2002 10:02:52 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
I'm not "priviledged" and I donate. So's my wife.

(How ya been, sis? LTNS!)

142 posted on 08/27/2002 10:07:13 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: BADJOE; Jim Robinson
I hear by the grapevine that from this past weekend's discussions that JimRob has two black eyes and a broken arm. I have my head bandaged. I am missing one ear, and I have body bruises from top to bottom.

Glad to hear you two survived


143 posted on 08/27/2002 10:09:34 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Cyber Liberty
Hi CL. Definitely, LTNS. Hope all is well.

I'm not privileged either and doubt I ever will be......lol. I used to donate, but that's a whole other story. :(

144 posted on 08/27/2002 10:12:04 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Well, with the exception of two of my finest friends on FR beating the crap out of each other over the weekend, we're fine!
145 posted on 08/27/2002 10:14:44 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: Mo1
LOL - good job Mo. ;-)
146 posted on 08/27/2002 10:18:57 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: MizSterious
I agree that moderating should be done fairly. But you lost me after that first sentence--the moderator's "pet" and all that. It sounds to me like you're pining for a certain banned FReeper, who I think deserved to be banned and should never be let back on. You would have had to pay me good money to moderate those DW threads--nastiness on both sides and both sides so caught up in that trial that they started to lose touch with reality.

How about starting from today and moving forward? Let the past go. Jim Robinson already said he was going to make changes, so it does no good to keep going over the past over and over and over. Just give him a chance to see if the changes suit you or not.

147 posted on 08/27/2002 10:20:12 AM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Mo1
Cute, Mo1! And I note, with approval, that BOTH have the LEFT leg injured--while the right is free to march on! :-)
148 posted on 08/27/2002 10:43:58 AM PDT by justshe
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
I can respect that the length of time one has been a Freeper may matter, but it should not create privileges so special as to harm other Freepers.

I'll second that ..

149 posted on 08/27/2002 10:44:27 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: KLT
LisaFab, you hit the nail on the head....one thing the RATS have is that no matter how wrong they are...they all tend to stick together....

Thanks K. They also know it is impossible to convert the incontrovertible and therefore stick to maintaining and expanding their base, no matter what the consequences.

We here on the right however, are faced with an ongoing dilemma: how to maintain party unity in national elections while remaining true to what seems to be (at least here at FR) a truly divergent platform.

It seems to me that if we can identify the things that most all here agree on (constitution, smaller government, tax reform, et.al.) we can work to push those issues at the local and national levels. And yes, that must unfortunately mean sometimes electing RINOs.

150 posted on 08/27/2002 11:06:27 AM PDT by LisaFab
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