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Freepers. It is Time to Heal Our Wounds
Badjoe | 8-27-02 | Joe Phillips

Posted on 08/27/2002 4:40:53 AM PDT by BADJOE

It is time we take a new tack and see if we can heal our wounds. I hear by the grapevine that from this past weekend's discussions that JimRob has two black eyes and a broken arm. I have my head bandaged. I am missing one ear, and I have body bruises from top to bottom.

It was damn near like the old days wasn't it?

I am happy to report that while Willa never considered divorce, homicide did cross her mind a couple of times. The fact that I am writing this is hard evidence that she did not act on those impulses.

As I see it, there is a very simple easy way for all of FR's problems to go away. I have a comment to all parties involved and I will specifically address each of them.

The Free Republic is much bigger than any one man or woman. And it is too important for any dispute, regardless of what it is about to pull it down.

First let me clear one thing up. The next Freepathon would have been my last one regardless. It is too big a job for even me. Freepathons are the only time Willa and I exchange cross words with each other. I love all you guys, but she rubs my back, kisses me on my bald head and on occasion even cooks me dinner. (Except during a Freepathon. I damn near starved to death during the last one.)

In order of importance from least to most .

Badjoe: You are one cantankerous feisty old son of a gun. Usually mild mannered, reasonable, and all the good things, BUT when you think something needs to change you would run over your own grandmother to make it happen.

Other forums like Liberty Post, etc.: Guys you can't build yourself up by tearing the other guy down. Tout your own virtues. It is the only way you will reach the heights FR has. And believe me, I'd like to see 100 successful FR's. If there were a hundred of us none of our problems would exist. Competition cleans up the weak spots.

The DC Chapter: Thank you guys for calling me on the phone yesterday. It was very nice and very moving to speak with each of you personally. Please tear all the old pages out of your book in regard to the Free Republic Network. Neither you nor they will survive if you don't quit nursing old wounds. I have noticed that even when the Network folks say or do good things you react in ways I think are inappropriate. We really are all in this together. Let's please work to survive together. Thank you.

To the Network Board.: You are my friends. The wounds are deep between you and the DC chapter. Please don't say anything about them. At the moment even if you gave them a million dollars each they would think you have an ulterior motive. So please say nothing either way. A year from now you might be able to to have some communication.

To the Moderators: Oh my! I sincerely hope this whole post could make your jobs superfluous, as the Freepers take to heart what I will say to them, so that moderation is rarely if ever needed. I am sure you'd appreciate and like the vacation too. Would not it be nice if you could just Freep and when you occasionally came across an infraction, warn first, went back to Freeping, and checked in later to see if warning was heeded and then if necessary take the minimally possible action. Please let's try to keep our troops intact.

To the monthly donors who have cancelled: I sincerely hope you will consider reinstating your help. I know withdrawing your support is a very effective way of registering your disapproval.

To the monthly donors who have stayed on board: God bless you. FR needs you and can't survive without you.

To JimRob: You are just as damn cantankerous as I am. I sincerely hope you will post the new directions involved in our Saturday night August tenth agreement without the references to me. Apologize to the Freepers for any real or perceived injustices and ask them to hold your feet to the fire on the new directions from that agreement

To the Freepers: You are the most important of all. Without you there is no FR. I would like to see you all prick your finger and write in blood that you will argue all you want to without calling another Freeper a dumb Mofo, etc. If you find yourself in the position of not being able to carry the day in your discussion, or if another Freeper gets close to anger, just go away for a little while and come back to fight later. If you do this moderating will become unnecessary. We all will be free from fear. In the interest of healing these wounds please lay off the mods I singled out. Lay the blame on Jim and I for our failure to effectively communicate with each other. Jim and I have broad shoulders and are willing to carry the load.

I am going to post this first to the moderators through the abuse button to give them time to digest what I have written. This is to be a positive thread. I am requesting that they give an automatic one hour timeout to every Freeper, including JimRob for any inappropriate comment. You are capable criticizing with being abrasive.

I hope all the above folks I have directed my comments specifically to, post a general agreement to try to do what I have suggested. If you say you will, I will participate in the next fundraiser by just running the numbers and getting the necessary funds in. JR gets a copy of what I get without the credit card numbers. He can forward that info to a trusted Freeper volunteer to write thank you's, and to another trusted Freeper volunteer to post recognition of the donation on the fundraising thread or maybe one will do both. This will get FR past its current crisis, reduce the harsh words at Willa's and my house, and make everyone's job easier.


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What say you Freepers? What say you Mods? What say you JimRob?

I wrote this very early yesterday morning. Already $400 in monthlies have been reinstated. I am grateful.

It became unnecessary for me to post this to the mod page first.

The issue of the next Freepathon has already been settled.

1 posted on 08/27/2002 4:40:54 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: All
Please follow the below example.

To any moderators I have maligned.

I sincerely apologize.

Let us put all of this behind us.

I am sorry.

Joe
2 posted on 08/27/2002 4:46:23 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: BADJOE
We welcome your suggestions with open arms. Just don't do it again. Your sacrifices are noted with admiration
3 posted on 08/27/2002 4:48:11 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: BADJOE
This will be a good lesson for all of us about keeping our tongues (you and me included) in check during the heat of battle. We all said some pretty rough things and now is a good time to apologize and move on.
4 posted on 08/27/2002 4:48:25 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: BADJOE
I am going to post this first to the moderators through the abuse button to give them time to digest what I have written.

You're a good Joe! Thanks for all you and Jim do for this site. Just for fun I think anyone who agrees and admires you the way many of us here do should hit the abuse button and let the mods know that we're all in this together! :)

5 posted on 08/27/2002 4:50:03 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: BADJOE
I hope all parties concerned learned from this episode. I mean that sincerely. Some organizations are destined to grow by fits and starts. I trust that's what happened here.

I also hope that the demon seed that has taken root in our garden can be strangled, and that we can get back to America's business now.

I'd like to thank all the principals for eventually looking beyond themselves to the greater good, and for being willing to hold their fire until the ENEMY takes the field.

Shoulder ARMS! Right FACE! For'ard MARCH!!!

6 posted on 08/27/2002 4:50:12 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: BADJOE
I, of course, apologize to anyone I maligned during the course of the conversation.
7 posted on 08/27/2002 4:51:53 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: BADJOE
I am missing one ear

Van Gogh had the same problem, but she still wrote good poetry.

8 posted on 08/27/2002 4:52:16 AM PDT by scouse
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To: scouse
LOL! Mozart lost his hearing and produced some great still lifes.
9 posted on 08/27/2002 4:54:38 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: BADJOE
Gooood moooooorrnnning FREEREPUBLIC!!
Thanx for the very human words, Badjoe.
BTTT, God Bless America, and LET'S ROLL!!
10 posted on 08/27/2002 4:54:40 AM PDT by Psalm 73
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To: BADJOE
This will probably get me banned, but, to heal, one must start by forgiving. So, why not start by reinstating those who were banned for such things as religious and political views.

Being from Maine, will I'm sure get me a guilt by association banning.

11 posted on 08/27/2002 4:55:37 AM PDT by 2timothy3.16
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To: BADJOE
Please follow the below example.

To any moderators Joe has maligned.

He sincerely apologizes.

Everyone put all of this behind you.

He's sorry.

Dainbramage

12 posted on 08/27/2002 4:56:54 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: BADJOE
Oh no, here goes another 3000+ post thread!


Seriously, this is a good first step, Joe.
13 posted on 08/27/2002 4:58:12 AM PDT by Seeking the truth
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To: BADJOE
Please follow the below example.
To any moderators I have maligned.
I sincerely apologize.

Oakey doakey, but I have an hour to take a whack at the moderator that silenced me, right?

Just tell me who the little rascal is and we can move quickly to reconciliation with little bloodshed.

smiley face, smiley face, smiley face.
said in jest
meant to be funny...

14 posted on 08/27/2002 4:59:09 AM PDT by harrowup
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To: BADJOE
I have been a Freeper since 2/98 and have stayed off for months at a time due to all the infighting. Yesterday Doug from Upland was on the phone with Sean Hannity on radio. Sean mentioned Freepers canabalizing each other. He did blame that on the flamers and disruptors, and told Doug to say hi for him to all the Good Freepers. I know that sometimes I will type something on FR that I have heard on KFI 640 am, conservative talk radio about Westerfield case for example. They had Laura Ingle sitting in on the trial and reporting in daily. I would take down in shorthand what she said, and type it word for word on FR. Other Freepers will jump on me and say I am lying. Does grate on raw nerves. I just usually leave that particular thread. It gets on my nerves, but I come back later in same day. I don't enjoy meeting with most of the Freepers I have met in person. Although we had a great group of Freeper women in Houston - most of us have moved away. And we had a GREAT group of Freepers in DC in Oct 1998!!!! I just don't have a lot in common with the Houston male Freepers. But they get along great with each other and that is good!!!!
15 posted on 08/27/2002 4:59:26 AM PDT by buffyt
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To: buffyt
You are #1 in my book. Enjoyed meeting you at the MFJ.
16 posted on 08/27/2002 5:01:06 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: BADJOE
Bump! Thanks Badjoe!!
17 posted on 08/27/2002 5:01:44 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: BADJOE
I'm here every day, and sometimes, I still don't know what's going on. Did I miss something?
18 posted on 08/27/2002 5:06:42 AM PDT by goodieD
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To: Seeking the truth; BADJOE
Oh no, here goes another 3000+ post thread!

I didn't post on that one.
I'd like my name attached to this one. : )

20 posted on 08/27/2002 5:07:27 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: goodieD
Did I miss something?

Not really - just some growing pains and/or menopause of FR. ;-)
21 posted on 08/27/2002 5:11:31 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: one_particular_harbour
I am sorry you feel thta way.

Why not sit back and watch.

This could make thing better.

I am certain it will not make them worse.

Thank you, Joe
22 posted on 08/27/2002 5:13:21 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: one_particular_harbour
watching an effective vehicle for activists who really want to do something regress to being a bulletin board for endless rants

Physician, heal thyself.

23 posted on 08/27/2002 5:19:14 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: BADJOE
"You are capable criticizing with being abrasive."
Well gosh Joe, if you say so.
24 posted on 08/27/2002 5:19:17 AM PDT by KS Flyover
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To: BADJOE
BADJOE: I watched over the past few days the exchange that has taken place. It was interesting. But the most amazing part is the problem was aired out and both parties are wiser.

An interesting thing is that Free Republic was born from the same problem you voiced......someone pulling an article or post in the old Prodigy White Water Forum. Jim was adamant that full text articles could be posted and that P was simply trying to mute a point of view. Funny how that has changed.

It's too bad so many have come and have gone in a snit. That seems to be a problem among activists. And frankly, I knew that once impeachment had gone it's course and Clinton would serve out his term that participants would begin to focus on other forum participants and that stronger personalities would flame out.

But again, and I believe that since every thought was left on the forum and the thread wasn't locked, a problem WAS worked out. Sure it aired dirty laundry, but dirty laundry never gets clean until it's aired out.

25 posted on 08/27/2002 5:19:29 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: buffyt
sean hannity's version of a good ole
freeper is someone who basically is in
philosophical step with him and rush!
i remember a couple of years rush
would mention free republic quite often,he had a purpose of course it
was to duilute staunch constitutional
ism with his wishy washy mainstream
republican yuk. just look at the posts
about suv's and tree cutting etc. etc.
most of you know i am right admit it or not.
26 posted on 08/27/2002 5:20:26 AM PDT by reform4me
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To: BADJOE
Joe, thanks very much for posting this. I believe this is going to go a long ways toward starting the healing process. I'm hoping that no one blames the moderators for any of our woes. I am the guy who instigated the moderator program, established the rules and set the standards. If there is any blame to place, place it on me. Besides being broad shouldered, I'm hard headed. You can't hurt me. LOl

Seriously, the moderators only act on the rules and guidelines I set forth. They do not randomly ban people and they do not ban people they don't agree with. If a decision has to be made on someone that they've interacted with in the past and they believe there may be some bias, they usually recuse themselves and leave it to others. Furthermore, in most banning situations (except for emergencies or the very obvious), there is a group discussion and a consensus is reached before a banning takes place.

And even them some mistakes have been made and we've ended up reinstating the person. There may have been mistakes made where a person did not get reinstated, but again you can blame me for that. Those decisions are mine.

It is also my decision when any "old timer" gets banned. They're not making them anymore so I don't like banning anyone who's been with us for awhile. Actually, I don't like banning anyone at all, but sometimes there's no getting around it.

We are working on a new observer system and as soon as we get it installed we will select a staff to man it and will be available to explain all of our actions.
27 posted on 08/27/2002 5:21:14 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: one_particular_harbour
politically irrelevant fringe voters

In other words, those who don't vote the approved party line. TO THE PARTY, COMRADE! All great glories!

Hey, o_p_h, if this was 1776 you'd be a Tory.

28 posted on 08/27/2002 5:23:27 AM PDT by bvw
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To: BADJOE
To the Freepers: You are the most important of all. Without you there is no FR. I would like to see you all prick your finger and write in blood that you will argue all you want to without calling another Freeper a dumb Mofo, etc.

O.K., I've done what you asked. Now how long do I have to leave this bloody message on the screen before I can wash it off? Sincerely, my best wishes to you and JimRob, and Long Live FreeRepublic!

29 posted on 08/27/2002 5:25:36 AM PDT by FairWitness
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To: buffyt
TThis phrase "cannabilizing" is a mean spitirted phrase. There is another way of looking at this. FR, like any healthy organism has its white-blood cells, has its immune system. The problem with TV talking heads is often they suffer the equivalent of AIDS in that regard. They are surrounding by enablers, but no rot removers. The enablers insure that once a cancer gets a foothold, it takes over.

Thus best if Mr. Hannity takes a lesson from FR, and not be so rash has as to give one.

30 posted on 08/27/2002 5:29:06 AM PDT by bvw
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To: BADJOE; jimrob
I read with great sadness as much as I could handle of the last thread as it developed. I do not know what the fight was about but I'm glad at least that the punching and kicking has stopped. It reminded me of fighting with my wife over sex. The nastier it gets, the longer it will take to get what you are fighting about not getting. I also kept hoping that the smoke I smelled was not bridges burning.

Joe: I hope that your backing away from freepathons doesn't mean you are backing away from FR. I look forward to reading your posts for many years to come. Maybe by clearing your plate a little, you will have more time to get down here in the mud, the blood, and the beer with the rest of us.

To both of you stubborn mules, thank you for what you have done to build this wonderful place for us to gather. If I am ever so fortunate as to meet you, I hope I meet you both together and that you will allow me to buy the next round. That would mean the wounds have healed and the relationship mended.
31 posted on 08/27/2002 5:30:08 AM PDT by NerdDad
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To: Jim Robinson
Very good Jim.

Communication will always be the key.

Keeping the Freepers in the dark was a problem that is now being resolved.

Now go to bed damn it.

It is good for your eyes. : )

Dr Joe has spoken as Li'l Abner's momma used to sy. : )
32 posted on 08/27/2002 5:30:40 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: BADJOE; Jim Robinson
guys, here's one more congratulatory bump for your having reconciled;
may this latest brouhaha be a springboard to better days.

do let's keep our expectations realistic though, shall we ?
the patience of the many will continue to be tried by the juvenility of the few ...

33 posted on 08/27/2002 5:33:11 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: NerdDad
I am not going away from FR.

Like Jim, it is my life.

As the fundraiser I felt it necessary to stay in the background and not raise any problems. It was not a real comfortable position, 'cause I like to discuss the issues.

I will be more free to participate and for that I am grateful.

34 posted on 08/27/2002 5:36:09 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: BADJOE
Ok, Doc. I'm outta here. See y'all in the morning afternoon. Jim
35 posted on 08/27/2002 5:45:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Frankly, the only problem I ever noticed with the moderators was a lack of consistency, although I personally never detected an ideological bias on their part. For instance, on one thread, I noticed where a member was banned, but his highly offensive post remained, whereas most of the time such a post is deleted, but the member stays. I think your laying down some basic standardized guidelines for the moderators will go a long way to remedy that, especially if you re-evalutate both the moderators and the guidelines every few months or so.

As part of that, maybe you could post a Suggestion Box or "How am I doing?" type thread on a quarterly basis to get honest feedback. By you yourself setting up an official time and place for the great Whine Festival, you can help keep it under control. Maybe if people have a set place to let off steam about FR housekeeping (Moderators, formatting, etc.) , with your active participation on the thread, they won't clutter up the other threads with it and we won't have to wait for an opus for all the bad blood to be let.

36 posted on 08/27/2002 5:50:00 AM PDT by wimpycat
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To: BADJOE; Luis Gonzalez; Grampa Dave; kristinn; tgslTakoma; staytrue; Angelwood; Gore_ War_ Vet; ...
I have been on these threads for 2 years now and lurked for months before tryin to figure it all out....Yes, I've been suspended for a short time, now and then...and it was richly deserved....

But, Freepers are passionate people...we feel deeply about our beliefs, and sometimes we do get a bit carried away...

But eventhough we may sometimes fight between us, we all have one interest in common....the love of our country...

It's time to put our differences aside, and join together to Free The Republic....

FreeGards and Greetings From The Socialist Republic Of NY,

Karen AKA KLT


37 posted on 08/27/2002 5:50:28 AM PDT by KLT
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To: scouse
Van Gogh was a he and he was a painter , silly
38 posted on 08/27/2002 5:59:21 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Jim Robinson; BADJOE; LadyX; Snow Bunny; Billie; Scuttlebutt; COB1; razorback-bert; beowolf; ...
Knock off the racket! Can't a guy get some sleep around here without people banging about and knocking stuff over. I don't want Snow Bunny and Billie to have to take names! They can be tough, no matter what you bums may think. We've got a busy day tomorrow, what with all the stuff the Democraps are doing. Plus, the Ship's Emergency Fund needs some donations. Now, let me get some sleep.
39 posted on 08/27/2002 6:00:10 AM PDT by ofMagog
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To: Kaslin
Well, you had to go and spill the beans!
40 posted on 08/27/2002 6:01:09 AM PDT by ofMagog
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To: 2timothy3.16; BADJOE; spectre; Politicalmom
"This will probably get me banned, but, to heal, one must start by forgiving. So, why not start by reinstating those who were banned for such things as religious and political views."

And how about reinstating those who broke no rules except stating an opinion on a criminal law case that disagreed with the moderator and/or the moderator's friends? And what about leaving the Smokey Backroom to be what Jim Robinson stated it was to be? Right now, there's no more freedom of expression in the SBR than there is in the rest of the forum. Disagreeing with a moderator's pet can get a message, thread, or membership pulled, even there.

Hoping this doesn't get me banned either, but until something is done about this situation, my pocketbook is superglued shut.

41 posted on 08/27/2002 6:03:06 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: BADJOE
I am requesting that they give an automatic one hour timeout to every Freeper, including JimRob for any inappropriate comment.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Please add me to the ping list.

I want to watch...

42 posted on 08/27/2002 6:04:35 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: BADJOE
Joe, I come here once or twice a day to read through fifty or so posts. I add a little, but mostly I just read. I've got to tell you that I haven't a clue what you are talking about. Was there a fight I missed? I suppose it's a good thing I missed it, but if it was an important fight, I may have weighed in...

TO ALL: I have met Badjoe and JimRob. It's my considered judgement that we at Free Republic would not be here without JimRob and without Badjoe to help keep the lights on. Who would we argue with, pray with, give advice to, and accept advice from? Where would we go to get the insights that are NOT provided on CNNABCNBCCBS? I hope that whatever the ruckus is about, it's small enough that we can still see the big picture. I, for one, will double my monthly commitment in order to do my part to keep this information source open.

Thanks all and Be Well...

43 posted on 08/27/2002 6:05:58 AM PDT by Wingy
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To: one_particular_harbour
Sorry to wreck the lovefest.

Tsk, tsk.
Hater! Don't you know it's 'closure' time?

44 posted on 08/27/2002 6:06:26 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: eddie willers
I didn't post on that one. I'd like my name attached to this one. : )

Same here.

45 posted on 08/27/2002 6:10:32 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Kaslin
You're probably the one spreading the rumor that Elvis is dead.
46 posted on 08/27/2002 6:11:37 AM PDT by ofMagog
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To: KLT; yall

47 posted on 08/27/2002 6:12:16 AM PDT by lodwick
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To: BADJOE
A Houston FReepers bump!

Let's Roll !

---

Flyer

48 posted on 08/27/2002 6:15:39 AM PDT by Flyer
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To: ofMagog
Uh huh guilty as charged
49 posted on 08/27/2002 6:16:13 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: BADJOE; Jim Robinson; palo verde

50 posted on 08/27/2002 6:19:29 AM PDT by lodwick
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