Skip to comments.As they say in Kentucky; "Cymru am bith".
Posted on 08/29/2002 9:51:38 AM PDT by scouse
Did the Welsh discover America?
A team of historians and researchers announced today that Radio Carbon dating evidence, and the discovery of ancient British style artefacts and inscriptions in the American Midwest, provide the strongest indications yet" that British explorers, under the Prince Madoc ap Meurig, arrived in the country during the 6th Century and set up colonies there.
Research team members have known the location of burial sites of Madoc's close relatives in Wales for some time, it emerged today; but they have decided to break their self-imposed silence in order that their research be fully known and understood. DNA evidence could provide vital new leads, they say.
"We have a mass of remarkable evidence," said British historian Alan Wilson, who has been working with Jim Michael of the Ancient Kentucke Historical Association since 1989. "As experts in ancient British history, we were approached by Jim and visited locations in the Mid West with him," he added.
Many of the grave mounds found in the American mid West, including those at Bat Creek, Tennessee, are ancient British in origin and design, Wilson said. Jim Michael added, "the stone tablet found at Bat Creek in 1889 included an inscription written in Coelbren, an ancient British alphabet known and recorded by historians and bards down the ages."
Wilson said that his research had brought him into contact with very similar alphabet inscriptions in Britain, Europe and the Middle East. "The components of the alphabet derive from the earliest days of the Khumric (Welsh) people," he added, "and were used along their migration routes to Wales in antiquity."
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That final sentence is peculiar. These guys sound like experts in Welsh and Arthurian history, what's the connection to the Bush family?
Maybe they had African slaves too.
That would probably not be the case. However, the location of Avalon is still not been verified. Tales of land to the west go back pretty far.
Early settlers around Louisville found quite a bit of evidence they considered Welsh, especially that it was used as a kind of diplomatic and "educated" lingua-franca by the various Indian tribes, much like the Europeans then used Latin.
Several stone forts atop mountains in Georgia, Alabama, and Tennessee that obviously were desperate attempts at defence by some outnumbered European people, plus Cherokee and other legends suggesting that they had to overcome a scattered white (blue) eyed people en route from the Gulf Coast area to their home in the southern Mountains, migration circa 650-720 AD...
Celtic inscriptions dated to the 480-720 AD era are atop several mountains in West Virginia.
Assuming the inscriptions were in stone, how is such close dating done with no radio carbon, decomposition or similar things to place it in time?
What a kick in the a** if that's all really true!
There were many Celtic loan words in their vocabulary, and they made a round leather coracle or bull-boat to pole along in the Missouri R.
All who saw the Mandan were aware that they represented a Euro-Amerind [mestizo] people of some kind, probably mixed at a not-too-remote date, since even Lewis & Clark said that all hair and eye colors seen in Virginia whites could be seen, by exception, in the [two large] Mandan villages.
Runaway Norsemen from the Greenland and/or Vinland colonies, see Kensington Runestone, have also been suggested; the two are not mutually exclusive, but archaeological remains suggest the Mandan had been driven down the Ohio and up the Miss/Mo River systems, until at length they reached an area where their superior agricultural and living technology gave them an advantage over other tribes' numbers, enough to survive.
The Mandan had a vassal (slave) sub-tribe, the Hidatsa, who dwelt near and around them on the prairie and seem to have picked up some of their ways at 2d hand. IIRC the language of the Hidatsa was Siouxan, however, while that of the Mandan was a mix of Celtic with Shawneean or Ohio-Valley tribes' languages.
The Mandan mostly perished in a smallpox epidemic about 1839-40 after their chief had turned down a US offer to vaccinate the whole tribe. Survivors took refuge and mingled with the Sioux and other tribes of Indians before any adequate ethnological study could be done. See accounts of them in Catlin and in Lewis & Clark.
At least one whole issue in the 1980s of Wonderful West Virginia was about this.
PRINCE MADOC AB OWAIN (12th century) and Prince Madoc ap Meurig,(Mentioned in article)