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The Master's tells 'em to shove it.
CNNSI ^ | 8/30/2002 | unknown

Posted on 08/30/2002 9:17:08 PM PDT by groanup

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:01:08 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

NEW YORK (AP) -- The Masters is going commercial-free, dropping its corporate sponsors to avoid pressure on them by a women's organization that challenged Augusta National's all-male membership.

Club chairman Hootie Johnson on Friday notified the tournament's three sponsors -- IBM, Citigroup and Coca-Cola -- that the Masters "will not request their participation" in 2003.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: augustanational; feminism; golf; themasters
Want to tell us how to run our business? Fine. We run it the way we want to. No matter WHAT you tell us.

(Ran a search and didn't see it. So what? Needs to be posted a few times anyway.)

1 posted on 08/30/2002 9:17:08 PM PDT by groanup
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To: groanup
By the way, I know there is not an apostrophe in Masters. Sorry for the goof.
2 posted on 08/30/2002 9:20:46 PM PDT by groanup
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To: groanup
BTTT
3 posted on 08/30/2002 9:25:15 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: groanup
Perhaps the Masters should host a Golf Tournament at the links of Wellesley College (ALL GIRLS / Hillary's Alma Pater).
4 posted on 08/30/2002 9:26:12 PM PDT by dodger
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To: groanup
CBS would pay the Masters for the rights to air this right ? If there are no corporate sponsers to sell ad time to, where does CBS recoup to money they put out for the rights to broadcast the tournament ?

I'm confused.
5 posted on 08/30/2002 9:26:53 PM PDT by Leper Messiah
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To: groanup
Looks like Hootie whipped out the Flame Thrower when the NCWO threatened him with the "bayonet".

I wonder what Tiger will have to say now?

Not that I care.

6 posted on 08/30/2002 9:27:21 PM PDT by fhillary2
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To: groanup
I applaud this decision by Augusta National. The PC crowd can go fly a kite.
7 posted on 08/30/2002 9:34:28 PM PDT by citizenK
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To: goodnesswins
I have been there a few times. Only once during a tournament round but many times during practice rounds. They charge $1.00 for a ham and cheese sandwich, $1.50 for a long-neck beer poured into a green cup. Everything is wrapped in green paper in case someone should drop something on the fairway. Yes they do have green sand with which they fill divots. Everything is understated and subtle. I saw a teenager next to me take off his shirt and lie back in the rough. A marshall was on him instantly and very politely asked him to put his shirt back on. The tone of the voice was extremely firm but very polite. There is nothing much left on this planet that can compare to that place.
8 posted on 08/30/2002 9:35:34 PM PDT by groanup
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To: groanup
Just imagine if EVERY private organization in America said "NO!" to these PC demands. No, that is literally unthinkable these days...
9 posted on 08/30/2002 9:37:06 PM PDT by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: groanup
Nice stand against the PC bullies.
10 posted on 08/30/2002 9:39:39 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Leper Messiah
"where does CBS recoup to money they put out for the rights to broadcast the tournament ?"

I don't know. The Masters has never been about money, tv rights and such. When John Daly was having so much trouble with the PGA the Masters was asked to disinvite him, ignoring their own guidelines of who is eligible. They politely declined the PGA's request and followed their own traditions. They are a private organization and the Masters Tournament is a private tournament.

11 posted on 08/30/2002 9:40:42 PM PDT by groanup
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To: fhillary2
"I wonder what Tiger will have to say now?

Not that I care.":

Dollars to donuts Tiger would say it's their business, leave them alone. (He's a former winner and that makes him practically a member.)

12 posted on 08/30/2002 9:48:03 PM PDT by groanup
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To: groanup
Johnson has said the club has no exclusionary policies, although
it has never had a female member its 69-year history, and only
welcomed its first black member in 1990.

Of course you have an exclusionary policy.
Admitting it and carrying on is the honest
thing to do.  To try denying the obvious
insults the intelligence of everyone involved,
and makes it look like truth is excluded, too.

13 posted on 08/30/2002 9:50:05 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: groanup
Lucky you....we've only been able to drive by the entrance!!!! and WISH.....LOL....sounds like a very NICE place to spend a day! (THEY HAVE RULES, duh)
14 posted on 08/30/2002 9:53:29 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: gcruse
"Of course you have an exclusionary policy. Admitting it and carrying on is the honest thing to do. To try denying the obvious insults the intelligence of everyone involved, and makes it look like truth is excluded, too."

They have unwritten exclusions such as 'slow play is to be avoided'. To say that they have an explicit exclusionary policy is not necessarily true.

15 posted on 08/30/2002 9:55:30 PM PDT by groanup
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To: goodnesswins
I have a friend who just drove right up Magnolia Lane. He was stopped and very politely asked to leave.

The place is amazing. It's as if every blade of grass has but one purpose in life, to please the golfer.

16 posted on 08/30/2002 9:58:45 PM PDT by groanup
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To: groanup
Hooray for Augusta National and Hooray for Hootie. Let's hope this is the start of a trend of businesses telling the PC crowd to go pound sand. I love it. Woo Hoo!
17 posted on 08/30/2002 10:00:41 PM PDT by CoolPapaBoze
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To: goodnesswins
"Lucky you....we've only been able to drive by the entrance!!!! and WISH.....LOL....sounds like a very NICE place to spend a day! (THEY HAVE RULES, duh)"

Try this. The practice rounds are Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Go to the gates about 2 or 3 o'clock on those days. When people come out ask them for their badges. They'll surely give them to you! I have.

18 posted on 08/30/2002 10:02:39 PM PDT by groanup
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To: groanup
 To say that they have an explicit exclusionary policy is not
necessarily true.

I'm sure they don't.  Merrill Lynch didn't have an explicit
policy for their brokers to push stock that was tanking
either, but it sure got done.
 
 

19 posted on 08/30/2002 10:04:12 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
"I'm sure they don't. Merrill Lynch didn't have an explicit policy for their brokers to push stock that was tanking either, but it sure got done."

Boy you really got me there.

20 posted on 08/30/2002 10:06:50 PM PDT by groanup
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To: groanup
He's a former winner and that makes him practically a member.

Actually, he's the current winner also.

21 posted on 08/30/2002 11:33:33 PM PDT by LenS
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To: groanup
God bless Duffers and Hackers alike you go boys !!!!
22 posted on 08/30/2002 11:42:20 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: gcruse
I think it would be cool to invite the top 4 women to play in the masters and then watch them shoot in the 80's or if they are having a bad day, in the 90's.
23 posted on 08/30/2002 11:45:11 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: gcruse
The masters course was built by men. The greatness of the Masters is the tradition of great golf played by men golfers. If the tradition of great golf was not there, the women would not want to be a member there. In short, the women are thieves who want a free piggy back ride on the tradition that is the Masters that has been made great by men. Women have no interest in joining a bad golf course and making it better or building a great golf course or making a legacy of tradition on their own. That would take too much work. They see something great that men have done and then want to stake (steal) their claim to it.
24 posted on 08/30/2002 11:58:22 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: gcruse
It is a private organization, on private land. They can freely associate with whom they choose, at their leisure and liberty. If there is anything corrupting, is caused solely by the government and the people who will leave no place in this country where the government’s boot does not press.
25 posted on 08/31/2002 4:23:18 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: groanup
It takes courage to tell the NOW NAGs to go and mind their own goddamned business. You have feminazis with too much time on their hands trying to ruin another great American institution. I hope the Augusta Masters just keeps on playing great guys' golf the old-fashioned way!!!
26 posted on 08/31/2002 4:33:45 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: groanup
CocaCola and IBM issued short, gracious statements, but

Citigroup declined comment.

27 posted on 08/31/2002 4:36:10 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Leper Messiah
CBS has a year-to-year deal to broadcast the Masters Tournament. It is strickly done on a handshake basis and is renewable soly at the discretion of the club. It has never been publicly disclosed how much CBS pays Augusta National for the rights to broadcast.

I would not be suprised to find out that in 2003 Augusta National either waived the broadcast fee or is actually paying CBS to broadcast the tournament. Augusta National has no shortage of resources (read money) and it they want to pay to have their tournament on TV, great.

28 posted on 08/31/2002 5:10:48 AM PDT by knowtherules
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To: citizenK
I agree
29 posted on 08/31/2002 5:21:28 AM PDT by The Wizard
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
"Actually, he's the current winner also."

Defending champion.

30 posted on 08/31/2002 6:30:31 AM PDT by groanup
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To: goodnesswins
OH it is a wonderful place to spend a day....rain or shine. My uncle got tickets and invited my father and I to use them. We would go up to Augusta for Thursday's round spend the day wandering around the course and then go out to Sconyer's BarBQ for the best BBQ in the universe. It was great to go with my dad. He had been going up since the 40's (back when you could walk with the golfers) and knew where to go to see the best action. My uncle and dad have passed away now.... Besides not having access to the tickets, it just isn't as much fun to watch as it was
then. Did I mention that the Tiger once hit my dad with a golf ball?
31 posted on 08/31/2002 7:00:51 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian
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To: groanup
See nothing wrong with having a club that only admits one sex. Traditional cultures had societies and lodges that also admitted one sex only. No one seems to criticize them. Sometimes a little segregation is healthy.
32 posted on 08/31/2002 7:08:04 AM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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The amazing condition of the Augusta National golf club course and grounds is truly indescribable...

There is absolutely no other place like it on planet earth...

33 posted on 08/31/2002 7:14:23 AM PDT by Ferris
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To: gcruse
Of course you have an exclusionary policy.

Even if they had a written rule excluding all females, why would it matter to you?

34 posted on 08/31/2002 7:17:09 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: knowtherules
For all of its existence, up until a year ago, the Masters had only two sponsors: Cadillac and Traveler's Insurance (now Citigroup). The total commercial time alloted to these two sponsors was/is 4 minutes per hour. Now they have IBM, Coca Cola and Citigroup. I don't know what happened to Cadillac.

I once walked next to the sponsors and players parking lot. There must have been 1,000 Cadillacs.

36 posted on 08/31/2002 8:03:32 AM PDT by groanup
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To: groanup
http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/sports/0802/31masters.html
37 posted on 08/31/2002 8:13:59 AM PDT by groanup
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To: groanup
Augusta National will not be "bullied, threatened or intimidated"

Beautiful. Just beautiful.

---

Flyer

38 posted on 08/31/2002 8:19:51 AM PDT by Flyer
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To: groanup
"Want to tell us how to run our business? Fine. We run it the way we want to. No matter WHAT you tell us."

About damned time *someone* stepped up to the plate & told these whack-jobs where to stuff it.
Be nice if Target (Dayton-Hudson) learned this tactic, too.

Aside from that, though.
I'm sure this could be viewed as "opportunity knocking" for a group of rich old birds to get together, pool their loot, & start their own "Augusta National" club to cater to women only.

That would be the smart thing for the loud mouthed old bag to be thinking about.

...but *equal* opportunity's really not what's eating at this old crow either, huh.

39 posted on 08/31/2002 8:23:21 AM PDT by Landru
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To: groanup
Nice to read that a man actually has a PAIR.....nice going Mr. Hootie Johnson!!
40 posted on 08/31/2002 8:26:28 AM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Eternal_Bear
The women don't care about single sex clubs, organizations or whatever as long as they are not very successful. They have no desire to join these low profile clubs to help them have more diverse opinions or help build the club or in any way do work to make things better. However, once you be come a successful, high profile single sex club, that's when all hell breaks loose because they want a piece of the action. They want only the best and to hell with the rest because they want to steal part of the sweat equity that it took men years to develope.
41 posted on 08/31/2002 8:51:37 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: groanup
This is so great, now why don't we file a civil suit against the government for funding organizations that use our tax money to bully private clubs, organizations whose stupid ideas do not fly with the majority of Americans?

Why is our money wrenched from our pockets to support enemies of our culture? Enemies who attack private ownership, the will of the majority, the Constitution should find no money to sustain their loopy ideas at tax payers expense.

42 posted on 08/31/2002 9:04:33 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: William Terrell
 
Even if they had a written rule excluding
all females, why would it matter to you?

It's the lying that passes me by.  If that's
the way they want to run the club, be
honest about it.  It is exclusionary.  We
can deal with that.  If they feel the need
to lie about it,   that tells a story, too.

43 posted on 08/31/2002 10:51:59 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
If they feel the need to lie about it, that tells a story, too.

I agree, it does, The story it tells is that they're trying to avoid an attack. one they don't deserve, by other liars, who are also thieves and con/shakedown artists. If I had a terrorist with a gun at my head asking me if I was a Jew, and I was one, I'd lie my tail off.

44 posted on 08/31/2002 11:07:02 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: gcruse
It may seem like hair-splitting to you, but it really is not.

If you have a gentleman's golf club--as opposed to a more family oriented facility--why would it even occur to you to admit a woman? One doesn't need an exclusionary policy, not to change the character of your club. You are implying that they have an unstated, negative rule. Looking backwards from this off the wall attack, that may seem to be the case. But this is an off the wall attack. Was it anticipated in 1933, or whenever the club was set up. I don't think so. The idea of admitting women to men's clubs and men to women's clubs is part of the post Lyndon Johnson, "Great Society"--a true historic aberration, which America needs to be done with.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

45 posted on 08/31/2002 11:18:40 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: groanup
"it's their business, leave them alone"

I seem to recall him saying that at first; before the British Open started.However, after he lost didn't he post on his official website that Augusta should allow women members?

46 posted on 08/31/2002 9:54:29 PM PDT by fhillary2
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To: fhillary2
"I seem to recall him saying that at first; before the British Open started.However, after he lost didn't he post on his official website that Augusta should allow women members?"

I don't know. You are probably right dear child. But Tiger Woods was INVITED to play in the Masters just as all of the field of 150 or so. It is a PRIVATE tournament. The TV cameras came second ,as did the corporate sponsorships. The tournament committe doesn't care if the world watches. It is a PRIVATE tournament. The club is a PRIVATE club. When it comes right down to it, they can have the tournament without TV or a gallery. It probably would be fine with them. And the field would play for prestige only. Money would not be a consideration. It never was or will be at the Masters.

47 posted on 09/01/2002 10:26:12 PM PDT by groanup
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