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NEGROES WITH GUNS - The story of how the 2nd Amendment prevented bloodshed in the 60's.
Black Man with a Gun ^ | 12/29/01 12:22:27 | Dr. Michael S. Brown of Vancouver, WA

Posted on 09/03/2002 6:36:27 PM PDT by vannrox

FROM:Dr. Michael S. Brown of Vancouver, WA
TOPIC:"NEGROES WITH GUNS"
12/29/01 12:22:27


The year was 1957. Monroe, North Carolina, was a rigidly segregated town where all levels of white society and government were dedicated to preserving the racial status quo. Blacks who dared to speak out were subject to brutal, sadistic violence.


It was common practice for convoys of Ku Klux Klan members to drive through black neighborhoods shooting in all directions. A black physician who owned a nice brick house on a main road was a frequent target of racist anger. In the summer of 1957, a Klan motorcade sent to attack the house was met by a disciplined volley of rifle fire from a group of black veterans and NRA members led by civil rights activist Robert F. Williams.


Using military-surplus rifles from behind sandbag fortifications, the small band of freedom fighters drove off the larger force of Klansmen with no casualties reported on either side.


Williams, a former Marine who volunteered to lead the Monroe chapter of the NAACP and founded a 60- member, NRA-chartered rifle club, described the battle in his 1962 book, "Negroes With Guns," which was reprinted in 1998 by Wayne State University Press.


According to Williams, the Monroe group owed its survival in the face of vicious violence to the fact that they were armed. In several cases, police officials who normally ignored or encouraged Klan violence took steps to prevent whites from attacking armed blacks. In other cases, fanatical racists suddenly turned into cowards when they realized their intended victims were armed.


Oddly, it appears that the organized armed blacks of Monroe never shot any of their tormentors. The simple existence of guns in the hands of men who were willing to use them prevented greater violence.


It is important to note that the guns were not used offensively. They were part of an overall strategy that relied primarily on peaceful protest like picketing or entering whites-only establishments. Williams demonstrated that the dignified and responsible use of firearms for self-defense was an important method to achieve justice for those denied fair treatment by all institutions of government.


The civil rights movement was deeply divided between those who espoused a pacifist, non-violent approach and those who believed that human beings had a right and a duty to use force in self-defense. Williams was the most influential leader of the self-defense wing of the movement.


His effort to provide guns and training to African-American civil rights supporters was alarming to white politicians. Most state gun control laws, not just in the South, were blatantly designed to keep guns out of the hands of blacks and other minorities. Those with racist beliefs were not pleased when blacks claimed the right to keep and bear arms that is guaranteed to all Americans.


The connection with the NRA might surprise some people who portray the organization as a haven for racist rednecks. Former NRA Executive Director Tanya Metaksa spoke with Williams before his death. She recalls, "He was very proud of being an NRA member and that the NRA sanctioned his club without question."


The civil rights organizations of today bear little resemblance to the deadly serious armed activists of Monroe. African-American leaders generally support the liberal white line that guns are evil and have no place in modern society. On the other hand, small numbers of responsible black gun owners continue to honor their heritage by practicing their marksmanship and joining gun rights organizations. The tradition of the black gun club still lives on in the Tenth Cavalry Gun club, led by Ken Blanchard in Prince Georges County, Maryland.


While researching this column, I contacted Don Kates, a civil rights attorney who went to North Carolina in 1963 to participate in the movement. I asked if he ever carried a gun during those days and he responded with a list of a half-dozen that were always within reach. Kates also suggested that I read a letter written by an old friend of his from those days, John R. Salter, Jr., who is now Professor Emeritus at the University of North Dakota. Here are two brief quotes:


"In the early 1960's, I taught at Tougaloo College, a black school in Jackson, Mississippi. I was a member of the statewide board of the NAACP and was Chairman of the Jackson Movement. No one knows what kind of massive racist retaliation would have been directed at grass-roots black people had the black community not had a healthy measure of firearms within it."


"During most of the 1960's I did civil rights work in various parts of the South and almost always had with me a .38 special Smith and Wesson 2-inch-barrel revolver - what you would now erroneously call a "Saturday Night Special."


In 1962 the Monroe freedom fighters were overwhelmed by a huge mob that converged on the town. The Justice Department and the state police ignored calls for help. The rabid racists were aided by law enforcement who branded Williams a communist and a dangerous schizophrenic.


Rob Williams eluded an FBI manhunt and fled to Cuba, which he erroneously believed to be totally free of racism. Within five years he realized that Cuba was not as he had imagined and moved on to China. There he was treated as a celebrity and returned to the United States in 1969 with the quiet blessing of Richard Nixon.


Williams worked as a China scholar at the University of Michigan and reportedly advised Henry Kissinger on Chinese affairs. He died in 1996.




--Dr. Michael S. Brown is an optometrist and member of Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws, www.dsgl.org. He may be reached at rkba2000@yahoo.com

References:
http://www.lexis-nexis.com/academic/2upa/Aaas/bpower2.htm
http://www.natcom.org/roc/one-one/hope.htm
http://www.blackmanwithagun.net/intro.htm (Ken Blanchard)
http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/general/GunsVersusKKK.htm
(John R. Salter, Jr.)


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This is an interesting bit of history that you won't find anywhere else.
1 posted on 09/03/2002 6:36:27 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
Using military-surplus rifles from behind sandbag fortifications, the small band of freedom fighters drove off the larger force of Klansmen with no casualties reported on either side.

The small band of freedom fighters obviously needed some marksmanship training.

2 posted on 09/03/2002 6:39:10 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: vannrox
SHHHHH you better hide and RENOUNCE this dangerous historical fact < /sarcasm off>
3 posted on 09/03/2002 6:39:45 PM PDT by Nat Turner
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To: vannrox
And this is a perfect statement to make to the anti-2nd Amendment nuts.
4 posted on 09/03/2002 6:40:54 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: mhking; rdb3
((((((growl)))))



5 posted on 09/03/2002 6:41:27 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Poohbah
The small band of freedom fighters obviously needed some marksmanship training.

No, they did right by just driving off the trouble makers. Had any white been killed during this, they would have all been hung.

6 posted on 09/03/2002 6:44:37 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: vannrox
"During most of the 1960's I did civil rights work in various parts of the South and almost always had with me a .38 special Smith and Wesson 2-inch-barrel revolver - what you would now erroneously call a "Saturday Night Special."

Someone needs to explain to the writer that the ".38 Smith and Wesson 2-inch-barrel revolver" is commonly known as the "Chiefs Special", it never made it down to the term "Saturday Night Special"

7 posted on 09/03/2002 6:46:43 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: rdb3
No, they did right by just driving off the trouble makers. Had any white been killed during this, they would have all been hung.

Sorry, but I disagree.

"Here's how, they pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send on of his to the morgue!"

8 posted on 09/03/2002 6:48:29 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: vannrox
bump
9 posted on 09/03/2002 6:48:44 PM PDT by zook
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To: vannrox
Abolitionist's rifle engulfs N.J. artist in fray [A PC conundrum]

Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ^ | 06/13/00 | John Yocca
Abolitionist's rifle engulfs N.J. artist in fray 06/13/00 By John Yocca STAFF WRITER Her every step a perilous one, famed abolitionist Harriet Tubman could afford no slip-ups as she shuttled slaves to freedom through the Underground Railroad. Timing was tight, indecision an enemy. When escaped slaves in her care hesitated on the frightening march to liberation, Tubman, a determined and gritty former slave herself, coaxed them northward with a loaded gun. A century-and-a-half later, New Jersey artist Mike Alewitz chose that image of Tubman -- a lantern in one hand, a rifle in the other -- as the centerpiece ...

10 posted on 09/03/2002 6:55:49 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Poohbah
You can disagree but a lynch mob would have seen to it guns or not. What would have happened is they would most likely be detained and their guns removed then after that the Klan would just storm the jail and get the unarmed black men.

I wish they'd have hit too but it may have been for the best.
11 posted on 09/03/2002 6:57:06 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: vannrox
"NEGROES WITH GUNS"

aka: "American Patriots (who just happened to be black) With Guns."

i'm sure they made a movie out of this starring gary cooper, et al., set in the old west.

in plot, etc., what distinguishes this from "the dirty dozen," a "fistful of dollars," and the like?

12 posted on 09/03/2002 6:57:13 PM PDT by johnboy
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To: vannrox
"The simple existence of guns in the hands of men who were willing to use them prevented greater violence."

Works every time. Everyone around here knows that I like my guns.

13 posted on 09/03/2002 7:00:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: Bogey78O
You can disagree but a lynch mob would have seen to it guns or not. What would have happened is they would most likely be detained and their guns removed then after that the Klan would just storm the jail and get the unarmed black men.

Ah, that's when it's time for taking the gloves off and going medieval on their Biblical Beasts of Burden.

After a while, even the Kluckers would get the hint.

14 posted on 09/03/2002 7:01:27 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: johnboy
The story of Athens, Tennessee was retold in movie form and called "An American Story". The weird part of this is that the production company is anti-gun Hallmark Greeting Cards.
What happened in Athens was that the Mayor and his cronies were losing an election so they stole the ballot box. It was retrieved by an armed group of law abiding veterans of WWII.
15 posted on 09/03/2002 7:14:35 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
Black conservative ping

If you want on (or off) of my black conservative ping list, please let me know via FREEPmail. (And no, you don't have to be black to be on the list!)

Extra warning: this is a high-volume ping list.

16 posted on 09/03/2002 7:16:08 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Poohbah
that's the chicago way... they were in mississippi...
17 posted on 09/03/2002 7:20:56 PM PDT by teeman8r
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To: teeman8r
True enough.

Malone was a great character, and a great performance by Sean Connery.

18 posted on 09/03/2002 7:22:16 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: rdb3
And to think that most blacks vote for the very party that is intent on taking away their guns!!!


19 posted on 09/03/2002 7:23:02 PM PDT by unixfox
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To: Poohbah
Marksmanship bump
20 posted on 09/03/2002 7:28:24 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: dcwusmc
Aim small, miss small.
21 posted on 09/03/2002 7:28:45 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: mhking
mhking, do you object to the term "Negroes"?
22 posted on 09/03/2002 7:29:15 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: mhking; rdb3; Orual; aculeus; general_re; one_particular_harbour; Poohbah
Clarence Darrow -- not ordinarily a favorite of mine -- once represented some black people who'd defended themselves, with firearms, against a white mob. In that case he was on the side of the angels.

Maybe someone can refresh my memory as to particulars of that case. Needless to say, it was long before the 1960s.

23 posted on 09/03/2002 7:29:46 PM PDT by dighton
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To: vannrox
Oops, I should have pinged you too in #23.
24 posted on 09/03/2002 7:32:21 PM PDT by dighton
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To: vannrox
"This is an interesting bit of history that you won't find anywhere else."

This was a fascinating article - thanks for posting it.
25 posted on 09/03/2002 7:36:33 PM PDT by Chu Gary
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To: vannrox
In other cases, fanatical racists suddenly turned into cowards when they realized their intended victims were armed.

Most criminals do. The only proven effect that gun control laws have is to make criminals feel safer knowing that their victims will not be armed.

26 posted on 09/03/2002 7:37:41 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy
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To: Poohbah
We gotta quit this lovefest. I'm agreeing with you too much!!! That's twice in a week! What's up? Have you seen the light? :^)
27 posted on 09/03/2002 7:38:04 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: vannrox
It is important to note that the guns were not used offensively.

Excellent point. Williams and the boys applied the appropriate force for the situation. It demonstrates another reason to support responsible gun ownership.

Great post, Vannrox.

28 posted on 09/03/2002 7:40:21 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: vannrox
Racist roots of gun control


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/608386/posts?page=6#6
29 posted on 09/03/2002 7:57:30 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: vannrox
An old discussion that was quite oddd and disjointed.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/599669/posts
30 posted on 09/03/2002 8:03:05 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: vannrox
A good companion article...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/601801/posts
31 posted on 09/03/2002 8:04:06 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: vannrox
What a pity that black people are so willingly deluded by the enslavers who are their supposed helpers.

I wonder if it would matter to most of them if they understood what is in this post. Here is something for which they should be justifiably proud and as a people they have no concept!
32 posted on 09/03/2002 8:19:30 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: vannrox
Actual at both Tulsa and Rosewood the blacks were armed and they used those weapons. They were simply overwhelmed in terms of numbers.
33 posted on 09/03/2002 8:19:39 PM PDT by Coeur de Lion
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp; mhking; rdb3
To: mhking ~~ mhking, do you object to the term "Negroes"? 22 posted on 9/3/02 7:29 PM Pacific by my_pointy_head_is_sharp

That's an interesting question, actually. "Negroid" is not an even remotely "demeaning" term; gosh, it's just a scientifically-correct Ethnographic Delineation.

HOWEVER, when it comes to general discussion, I'd think it kinda silly for you to refer to me as "OP the Caucasoid". I am, ethnographically, a "Caucasoid"; but in common parlance "OP the White Guy" will do just fine, thanks. ;-)

Make any sense?

34 posted on 09/03/2002 8:31:20 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: vannrox
"A Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home."

--Ida B. Wells
35 posted on 09/03/2002 8:38:42 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
mhking, do you object to the term "Negroes"?

In general? Nope.

I generally don't use the term; I just prefer "black" over any other label - of course, the operative term being American.

36 posted on 09/03/2002 8:42:35 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Doctor Stochastic
I like'um too!
37 posted on 09/03/2002 8:46:16 PM PDT by norraad
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
It all depends on who is saying it. If it is in a scientific form, then I have no problem. But if it is in the contemporary, I reject the word.
38 posted on 09/03/2002 8:49:18 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: vannrox
In other cases, fanatical racists suddenly turned into cowards when they realized their intended victims were armed.

Is that different than today? Let's substitute criminals for racists - nope, nothing's changed.

39 posted on 09/03/2002 8:53:55 PM PDT by Mike K
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To: vannrox
To prevent war, one must be so well-armed and prepared that no one dares trifle with you.

That concept held true for the Swedes and Swiss in WW2 (Hitler feared invading them would cost him too many casualties - a remarkable thought when one considers that Hitler invaded the Soviet Union after it had purged its officers).

Likewise, it held true during the Civil Rights movement here in America. Rural America has always been armed. Selma, Alabama is in the rural heart of the "Black Belt" of the South. Even the corrupt police officers who attacked Blacks at the Edmund Pettus Bridge on their march from Selma to Montgomery knew better than to pull a gun. Had they shot the marchers, rural Alabama would have become an armed, enraged adversary.

So instead of shootings, there were dogs, firehoses (in Birmingham, anyway), and billy-clubs.

But had Blacks NOT been armed, it's pretty clear what the Klan would have done.

In contrast, the Klan today is toothless and ridiculed. History has left it behind.

For this, we can thank the 2nd Amendment.

40 posted on 09/03/2002 9:11:13 PM PDT by Southack
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To: *bang_list
For your consideration
41 posted on 09/03/2002 9:21:32 PM PDT by Copernicus
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To: unixfox
And to think that most blacks vote for the very party that is intent on taking away their guns!!!

Guns are one reason why this Black woman doesn't vote for that party.

42 posted on 09/03/2002 9:44:16 PM PDT by mafree
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To: dighton
Maybe someone can refresh my memory as to particulars of that case.

I'm betting you're thinking of the Sweet trials...

Personally, I've always liked the (probably apocryphal) story about Darrow's trick cigar ;)

43 posted on 09/03/2002 9:48:14 PM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
That's the one. Thank you.
44 posted on 09/03/2002 9:53:09 PM PDT by dighton
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To: rdb3; my_pointy_head_is_sharp; mhking
Posted by rdb3 to OrthodoxPresbyterian ~~ It all depends on who is saying it. If it is in a scientific form, then I have no problem. But if it is in the contemporary, I reject the word.

EXACTLY correct, my brother (in Christ, which is more important than any "blood").

"My Pointy Head" is (I think) trying to make the point that the term "Negroid" is no more scientifically demeaning than the term "Caucasoid".

Well, yeah, that's true, "Pointy Head" -- and, yeah, it sure would be nice if we were all "scientifically neutral" in our use of language... but respectfully, only a fool would ignore the fact that the Left (and, indeed, all those who seek to de-value the essential moral equality of Men) do in fact seek to dehumanize by the use of "clinical" language.

This is the very reason why the Right seeks to use the term "Pre-Born Baby" or "UnBorn Baby" when discussing Abortion... it's not that the term "Fetus" is scientifically incorrect, it is the fact that we exercise common sense to recognize the Left's use of clinical terminology for the purpose of dehumanization.

It is true that "Fetus" is a scientifically-correct use of terminology, but I prefer the term "UnBorn Baby" for the deliberate purpose of emphasizing the human moral equality between us all.

The term "UnBorn Baby" may be less scientific than the term "fetus", but it enjoys the virtue of emphasizing the essential human dignity of the UnBorn Human.

In like manner, while "Caucasoid" and "Negroid" may be clinically correct ethnographic terminologies, I prefer the terms "White Guy" and "Black Guy" when it comes to common parlance. To me, it serves as an unconscious reminder that, aside from the clinical racial ethnography, when the shinola hits the fan ...we all bleed the same shade of red.

There's something to be said for common-sense aphorisms, and I've said my piece.

45 posted on 09/03/2002 10:04:15 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: vannrox
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46 posted on 09/03/2002 10:21:06 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
but I prefer the term "UnBorn Baby" for the deliberate purpose of emphasizing ...

After thinking about it, I decided to use the term "Pre-Born Baby" because, unless there is interference with the natural process, the "Pre-Born" will proceed to be born, a very high percentage of the time. "Un-Born" seems to imply not born - an aborted baby is "un-born".

47 posted on 09/03/2002 11:43:43 PM PDT by reg45
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To: reg45; rdb3; Polycarp
After thinking about it, I decided to use the term "Pre-Born Baby" because, unless there is interference with the natural process, the "Pre-Born" will proceed to be born, a very high percentage of the time. "Un-Born" seems to imply not born - an aborted baby is "un-born".

MISSIONARIES TO THE PRE-BORN
When the Church Militant of Jesus Christ is finally ready to get back on the Front Lines of blood and sacrifice.
If you really keep the royal law found in scripture, ‘love your neighbor as yourself,’ you are doing right. ~~James 2:8

48 posted on 09/04/2002 1:50:29 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: vannrox
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49 posted on 09/04/2002 4:07:42 AM PDT by Maelstrom
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