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Clinton leads the revolt against war (PROJECTILE VOMITING ALERT)
The Evening Standard ^ | September 6, 2002 | Joe Murphy

Posted on 09/07/2002 2:40:29 PM PDT by MadIvan

Tony Blair and George Bush today face mounting opposition to the war on Iraq from both sides of the Atlantic.

In Britain, a survey of Labour MPs showed almost zero backing for military attacks on Saddam Hussein's regime.

And in the States, former president Bill Clinton led a growing chorus of demands to postpone action until Osama bin Laden, the terrorist godfather thought to be behind the 11 September atrocities, is caught.

In another blow, the head of the intelligence committee in Congress, Bob Graham, also called for war to be postponed until Afghanistan was dealt with.

Mr Blair, who flies to Camp David tomorrow for a war summit with President Bush, came under pressure from Robin Cook, the leading "dove" in the Cabinet who pressed for MPs to be given a Commons vote on the issue.

Number 10 has so far refused to promise a vote and has rejected an early recall of Parliament to debate the crisis.

But Mr Cook said that before the original Gulf War in 1990, Labour and the Conservatives agreed to hold a vote.

"I am sure that this Labour government will be aware of that precedent," he said in an interview with the Financial Times.

Mr Cook, the Leader of the Commons, also demanded that military action be conducted under the auspices of the United Nations. "If we are to succeed in curbing Saddam's military ambitions, we have a better chance of success if we have the world with us and Saddam isolated," he said.

The scale of opposition among backbenchers was revealed in a survey of 100 Labour MPs carried out by the BBC. Only four said they thought there were currently sufficient grounds to declare war on Iraq, compared with 88 who did not.

Almost nine in 10 - 86 per cent - said there should be a Commons vote before the Cabinet takes a decision on military action. That was a direct challenge to ministers who have only offered a debate, without a vote, after the Cabinet has made up its mind.

Tensions were also growing in America, where Mr Clinton used a fundraising gala in California to attack President Bush for targeting Saddam Hussein before "finishing the job" in Afghanistan.

"Saddam Hussein didn't kill 3,100 people on 11 September," declared Mr Clinton. "Osama bin Laden did, and as far as we know he is still alive. Before we give up the effort in Afghanistan we need to finish the job. Bin Laden is still our biggest security threat."

Mr Clinton also warned that a strike against Saddam would strip the Iraqi leader of any incentive to hold off using chemical and biological weapons. He said: "Saddam Hussein is not a good man by our definition. There is no question that he has significant stocks of chemical and biological agents.

"I think we have to assume that if he knows we're coming, he'll do everything he can to use them. He has maximum incentive not to use the stuff. If we go in, he has maximum incentive to use it because he knows he's going to lose. That's a risk and it's an issue the President-has to address." The former president-said America should be trying to "lead the world" not "run the world". And he warned that Saddam was "admired" by many ordinary Arabs.

Labour MPs were furious today that Mr Blair decalred in a television documentary that he was prepared to pay the "blood price" needed to preserve the special relationship with the US.

He insisted that the UK must be there "when the shooting starts" to maintain its most important alliance.

Mr Blair will fly to Russia on Monday for talks with Vladimir Putin, his first piece of shuttle diplomacy on behalf of the fledgling coalition.

Russian backing is vital because Mr Putin has the power to veto any UN resolution as a permanent member of the UN security council.

Jack Straw will today insist it would be "wildly irresponsible" to rule out military action against Saddam. In a speech at Birmingham University, the Foreign Secretary will say: "Until Saddam co-operates fully with UN weapons inspectors, we have no guarantees that a dictator who has previously shown no restraint in using weapons of mass destruction will not use them again."


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You all may have heard similar to this, or may have not - I am posting it just in case the latter is true. Clinton is a true traitor to America; this article makes it crystal clear.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 09/07/2002 2:40:29 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: justshe; tet68; Tony in Hawaii; AxelPaulsenJr; anatolfz; iceskater; Truth Addict; TonyInOhio; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 09/07/2002 2:40:51 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan

3 posted on 09/07/2002 2:42:42 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: MadIvan
Every time I think my hatred for this man can grow no greater, something like this happens and it escalates, yet again.

Presidents Ford, Carter, and Bush need to pull this "pus on the pimple of humanities ass" aside and give him a quick course in the proper decorum for an ex-President---especially when your country is at War.

I am SO ashamed that this man is speaking for my country.
4 posted on 09/07/2002 2:48:19 PM PDT by justshe
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To: MadIvan

Clinton leads the revolt against war

I already knew Clinton was revolting.


5 posted on 09/07/2002 2:49:43 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: MadIvan
bill cliton is a corksouker
6 posted on 09/07/2002 2:50:11 PM PDT by The Wizard
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To: justshe
I am SO ashamed that this man is speaking for my country.

This was in a British newspaper, mind. So he's not only speaking as if he is speaking for your country (a claim he can't legitimately make), but he's also mouthing off behind your back too.

Regards, Ivan

7 posted on 09/07/2002 2:50:59 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
"Saddam Hussein didn't kill 3,100 people on 11 September," declared Mr Clinton. "Osama bin Laden did, and as far as we know he is still alive. Before we give up the effort in Afghanistan we need to finish the job. Bin Laden is still our biggest security threat."

Nobody said anything about giving up the effort in Afghanistan. It's the old liberal trick of posing a false choice. Food not bombs. Schools not prisons. Moreover Clinton very well knows that OBL may very well be dead, and we have to assume that he is and move onto the next objective. We also must assume that he alive and keep looking for him. The Dems are despertely trying to find any conceivable reason to stall any action on Iraq until after the election.

8 posted on 09/07/2002 2:51:00 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: MadIvan
Boy, this is truly a revolting devolpment!
9 posted on 09/07/2002 2:51:06 PM PDT by Movemout
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To: MadIvan
And in the States, former president Bill Clinton led a growing chorus of demands to postpone action until Osama bin Laden, the terrorist godfather thought to be behind the 11 September atrocities, is caught.

And I suppose the PERVERT would maintain that Osama had NO aid in this undertaking as well!

Meanwhile there is the little matter of IRAQ BEING SIX MONTHS AWAY FROM HAVING A NUCLEAR WEAPON

10 posted on 09/07/2002 2:51:10 PM PDT by Bigun
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To: MadIvan
Clinton did not enforce the terms of Iraq's surrender. He let Saddam get out of his box.
11 posted on 09/07/2002 2:51:50 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: MadIvan
And in the States, former president Bill Clinton led a growing chorus of demands to postpone action until Osama bin Laden, the terrorist godfather thought to be behind the 11 September atrocities, is caught.

.... And OJ finds the real killer.

12 posted on 09/07/2002 2:52:06 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: MadIvan; LibWhacker; justshe

_____________________________




Rummy, tell 'em to keep sifting the dirt for Osama. Next up? SADdam ! Let's get him!

13 posted on 09/07/2002 2:52:15 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MadIvan
Bill Clinton is not a wise man. He is out of office and his recourse now is to discuss this with the President in private if he thinks he has some advice to offer. Publicly making this speech only proves that he is a poor excuse for a president. He needs to keep his mouth shut.
14 posted on 09/07/2002 2:52:43 PM PDT by Raymond Hendrix
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To: MadIvan
until Osama bin Laden, the terrorist godfather thought to be behind the 11 September atrocities, is caught.

In other words, let the sons-a-beeitches go, because there will never, ever be a shred of Bin Laden's DNA located......the "Elvis is alive" scenario is going to be dwarfed for another 40 years.

15 posted on 09/07/2002 2:54:00 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: Raymond Hendrix
He needs the spotlight. Simple as that. He needs the spotlight. A very needy individual.
17 posted on 09/07/2002 2:55:31 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Hugin
"and as far as we know he is still alive" (Bin Laden)

This is a typical Clinton half-truth. It's also true that as far as we know he is dead. The whole truth is that we just don't know.

Personally, I think we need to find Hitler before we go after either Saddam or Bin Laden. We never did find him or his body. And how about Jimmy Hoffa? We haven't found him either.

18 posted on 09/07/2002 2:59:03 PM PDT by tjg
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To: MadIvan; LibWhacker; justshe; The Wizard; Hugin; Movemout; Bigun; Mr. Peabody; Raymond Hendrix; ...
I'm sure that clintoon entertains himself with this?......

George Michael - Shoot the Dog Video - barf alert !

19 posted on 09/07/2002 2:59:52 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Raymond Hendrix
"Publicly making this speech only proves that he is a poor excuse for a president. He needs to keep his mouth shut."

But...who will tell him?

His wife? His daughter?

Terry McAuliffe? The Democrat party?

The media?

Or the warden at Leavenworth...???

20 posted on 09/07/2002 3:00:18 PM PDT by okie01
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To: MadIvan
The proof of how debilitated our society has become can be found in the various rats (of both parties) that are quavering in front of the task at hand. I am pleased to note that our executive leadership is made of sterner stuff, as is (who'da thunk it) Tony Blair. The people are ready to see this war through to victory!
21 posted on 09/07/2002 3:01:51 PM PDT by Faraday
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To: MeeknMing
MeeknMing.....we need one of your famous pings!
22 posted on 09/07/2002 3:02:08 PM PDT by justshe
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To: MadIvan
I guess we should be thankful the a$$hole isn't in Iraq burning our flag.
23 posted on 09/07/2002 3:03:36 PM PDT by lonestar
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To: okie01
The clerk at the 24 hour adult video store...
24 posted on 09/07/2002 3:03:41 PM PDT by weegee
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To: MadIvan
Why didn't Klintoon (the SOB) worry about bombing the $h-- out of innocent people in Yugoslavia?
25 posted on 09/07/2002 3:05:32 PM PDT by pankot
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To: MadIvan
Do you ever get the feeling that this is a public relations sound byte to get conservatives behind a military attack of Iraq? After all, if Clinton is against it, we have to be for it. Right? Sometimes I get the hunch that we're being played for suckers.
26 posted on 09/07/2002 3:06:25 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: MadIvan
Who gives a rats' ass what Bill Clinton thinks. He's not the President any more. Besides, we're continuing to mop up the stains he left in the oval office. What a despicable, low life human being. GO AWAY, Please.....you've done enough damage. By the way, seen your wife lately?
27 posted on 09/07/2002 3:07:27 PM PDT by WyCoKsRepublican
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To: MadIvan
clinton has been a traitor to America the day he was born. And there are more clintons in the democrat party, heck there even some in the Republican party as well. But I agree, clinton is the leader of them all in treasonous acts comitted.
28 posted on 09/07/2002 3:07:42 PM PDT by desertcry
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To: LibWhacker
#3 Good stuff!.......and dittos.....
29 posted on 09/07/2002 3:08:36 PM PDT by WyCoKsRepublican
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To: MadIvan
Clinton is a true traitor to America; this article makes it crystal clear.

We can always hope that someday this FACT becomes widely known.

I hope I live long enough to see him become another man without a country.

30 posted on 09/07/2002 3:08:49 PM PDT by mombonn
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To: pankot
That is a good question. Of course, one has to wonder whether it was to further stifle sovereign nations and usher in a Islamic presence in the "Christian" nation of Yugoslavia (Serbia).
31 posted on 09/07/2002 3:09:00 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: MadIvan
What on God's green earth does the temperature of Osama's body have to do with Iraq at this juncture? I don't get it. Perhaps someone can help me with this.
32 posted on 09/07/2002 3:09:29 PM PDT by Torie
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To: FreedomFriend
Do you ever get the feeling that this is a public relations sound byte to get conservatives behind a military attack of Iraq?

No, because Clinton would never do that kind of favour for the people he hates the most.

Regards, Ivan

33 posted on 09/07/2002 3:10:16 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: okie01
#20 Yep, Treason is the Reason.......I agree
34 posted on 09/07/2002 3:10:27 PM PDT by WyCoKsRepublican
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To: MadIvan
Bill Clinton has a long history of giving aid and comfort to America's enemies. He is a clear and present danger not only to our nation, but to the entire free world.

I wish somebody out there who is familiar with the law would do some research- there has to be a way of putting him under house arrest or something until this war is over.

He will not be satisfied until he has managed to provoke the slaughter of still more innocent Americans, not to mention any military personnel whom he can put in harm's way given the opportunity. His handiwork on September 11, 2001 obviously wasn't enough for him. One day somebody will have the guts to do something about this criminal and traitor who has no compunction about repeating his treasonous behavior over and over. The fact that history will hold him responsible for the 9/11 act of war fazes him not in the least.

The man is a dangerous psychopath and needs to be locked up where he can do no more damage to our country. There are no expressions of hatred and contempt in the English language that would adequately express what I feel about him.

35 posted on 09/07/2002 3:10:52 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: MadIvan; Snow Bunny; Alamo-Girl; onyx; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; Fred Mertz; dixiechick2000; ...
Clinton leads the revolt against war
(PROJECTILE VOMITING ALERT)

Excerpt:

Tensions were also growing in America, where Mr Clinton used a fundraising gala in California to attack President Bush for targeting Saddam Hussein before "finishing the job" in Afghanistan.

"Saddam Hussein didn't kill 3,100 people on 11 September," declared Mr Clinton. "Osama bin Laden did, and as far as we know he is still alive. Before we give up the effort in Afghanistan we need to finish the job. Bin Laden is still our biggest security threat."

Mr Clinton also warned that a strike against Saddam would strip the Iraqi leader of any incentive to hold off using chemical and biological weapons. He said: "Saddam Hussein is not a good man by our definition. There is no question that he has significant stocks of chemical and biological agents.


Clintoon needs to keep his mouth shut before someone takes him to the woodshed, literally. Former Presidents have used to adhere to the unwritten policy of silence and not criticizing the current President. Not so for Carter and Clintoon......



Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.

36 posted on 09/07/2002 3:12:41 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MadIvan
Based upon new news (Iraq have nukes within 6 months), this is a good thing. Clinton just put his foot in his big fat mouth.
37 posted on 09/07/2002 3:12:50 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Torie
Who knows. This could be propaganda designed to get a larger percentage of conservative support behind a war with Iraq. Seeing as that not all conservatives support this action, and fewer numbers of liberals do, they figure that it will only increase the overall percentage for war.

However, this is only speculation.

38 posted on 09/07/2002 3:12:59 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: justshe
Carter is just as bad.
39 posted on 09/07/2002 3:14:29 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: MadIvan
So Bubba BJ admits that Saddam has these weapons that he shouldn't have, denies any Iraqi connection to 9/11, and we aren't supposed to attack Saddam because then he'll uses the weapons that he denies having and isn't allowed to possess.

He also says that Saddam is not a "good guy". Mr. impeached former president, YOU are not a "good guy".

40 posted on 09/07/2002 3:16:13 PM PDT by weegee
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To: FreedomFriend
Now isn't that interessssting. If my memory serves, the sink emperor's position is identical to that of the chicoms. What a coinky-dink!
41 posted on 09/07/2002 3:16:48 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: MeeknMing
It was only a matter of time before clinton would try undermine the current administration. If he doesn't take extreme positions, nobody pays any attention to him.

Guess Saddam has something on clinton and maybe he's being blackmailed. Hmmmmmmmmm?

42 posted on 09/07/2002 3:17:01 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: MadIvan
Clinton was supposedly obesessed with usama bin laden,
but all this time he's really been obsessed with W.
43 posted on 09/07/2002 3:20:58 PM PDT by AdvisorB
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To: MadIvan
Clinton was supposedly obesessed with usama bin laden,
but all this time he's really been obsessed with W.
44 posted on 09/07/2002 3:21:32 PM PDT by AdvisorB
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To: FreedomFriend
Do you ever get the feeling that this is a public relations sound byte to get conservatives behind a military attack of Iraq? After all, if Clinton is against it, we have to be for it. Right? Sometimes I get the hunch that we're being played for suckers.

Please elaborate. Are you suggesting that Clinton is making statements to get Conservatives behind the war effort? Do you have ANY idea how that sounds?

45 posted on 09/07/2002 3:22:52 PM PDT by justshe
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To: Raymond Hendrix
he is a poor excuse for a president.

You should have said ex-president. He was a poor excuse for a president.

Fortunately for us, ex-presidents have no say in gov't. Current presidents do extend some courtesies to their predecessors, but they're not required to do so.
I have a feeling that carter and clintoon are going to have a very hard time getting any phone calls returned from this WH. And that will just make them nastier.

46 posted on 09/07/2002 3:25:08 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: justshe
MeeknMing.....we need one of your famous pings!

Thanks! #36.....


Have a cup while you FReep !


Or, given the time of the day.........



47 posted on 09/07/2002 3:30:37 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: weegee
Though I dislike Clinton, that quote makes perfect sense. However, I assume that the administration, as well as Clinton, are in cohoots with one another. The goal is to get more conservatives on the side of war? Why? Support has declined, they know that the liberals will never be for it, so they have to do their best to increase the percentage for war. Thus, how do they do that? For one, you get the man who is the most villified by conservatives. On the domestic front, who would this be? Bingo: Bill Clinton. Then, you get Clinton to speak in opposition to war in an effort to get all conservatives disgusted so that they will support war.

Thus, this is the reasoning. While this is projecting and not grounded in stone, it seems this is what is going on.

While Clinton is anti-American to you and I, and though I agree with it completely, he was simply used to degenerate the white house, deplore morals, as well as contribute to an ever-increasing globalist front. This is exactly what is going on today, and W appears to be leading the way in a "Globalist" coaltion to "bring the world together" for "peace". It's about the makings of a world government, and Saddam represents a threat to them. However, this is all speculation. Flame-Away.

48 posted on 09/07/2002 3:30:49 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: MadIvan

CLINTON-GORE ADMINISTRATION & ASSOCIATES

NewsMax.com: "Clinton Audio Exclusive: Pre-September 11 Bin Laden Strike Wouldn't Have Worked" (August 7, 2002)

stepping back in time....RPC.SENATE.GOV: "Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia Into Militant Islamic Base" (011697)

"HUSTLER: The Clinton Legacy" by Joe Sobran

CONGRESS ACTION: "TEAPOT DOME AND NUCLEAR MISSILES" by Mr. Kim Weissman (012002)

WorldNetDaily (Human Events) article by Tim Carney: "U.S. TAX DOLLARS BUILD NUKE PLANT IN CHINA Clinton Deemed Government Loan 'in the national interest'"

"THE YEAR OF THE RAT: How Bill Clinton Compromised American Security for Chinese Money"

"PRESIDENTIAL TREASON 101, 102 & 103" by Gretchen Glass

"DOWNSIDE LEGACY at Two Degrees of PRESIDENT CLINTON"

Office of the Independent Counsel - Ray

NewsMax.com: "OIC: Clinton Can Seek Reimbursement for Whitewater Legal Bills"

Tray.com: "CLINTON LIBRARY DONORS"

stepping back in time..."THE BOYS ON THE TRACKS"

Informative Discussion on FreeRepublic.com re: "The Clinton Library Pardons"

Clinton Presidential Center

OpenSecrets.org: "CLINTON'S LEGAL EXPENSE TRUST DATABASE"

US DOJ.gov: "Recent Presidential Pardons" -Roger C. Adams, Pardon Attorney before the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate (February 14, 2001)

NewsMinute.com: "Parsing Clinton's 'Farewell' Speech" by Mr. Kerry Fox

Capitol Hill Blue: "ALL THE PRESIDENT'S WOMEN"

FREE REPUBLIC.com - Search Engine: All The Latest Articles regarding HILLARY CLINTON

OPEN SECRETS.org: "Hillary Rodham Clinton, Senator (D-NY)"

NewsMax: "Al Gore"

WorldNetDaily-Search Engine-"Al Gore"

NewsMinute.com: "STUPID: 'IT'S THE ECONOMY'" -Commentary by Mr. Kerry Fox

Regnery.com - Book: "AT ANY COST: How Al Gore Tried to Steal the Election" by Bill Sammon

JUDICIAL WATCH

WorldNetDaily: "FBI AGENTS CLAIMED DOJ FIXED PROBE Reno, Aides Worked 'Hand and Glove' with White House to Protect Clinton" by Paul Sperry

SOFTWAR: General "Stonewall" Reno

Craig Livingstone



50 posted on 09/07/2002 3:34:17 PM PDT by Cindy
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