Al Qaeda website: OSAMA IS DEAD!

CBS News | 09/11/2002

[FourtySeven]

Could be right. I don't know about debka. ;)

[finnman69]

Why on Earth would they announce this on September 11th? I don't get it. Do they think they make him more of a martyr if he is dead?

My brain definetely does not get how the fundamentalist Islamikazi mind works.

[FourtySeven]

It looks to me like the site is apologizing to people writing in to him and he was talking about an Osama in the brotherhood but not Sheik Osama.

I was kinda thinking the same thing, but then at the end he says "Ossama Bin Ladin is murdered". < shrugs >

[Redcloak]

"But I'm not dead yet."

"Of course you are!"

"I'm feeling much better now"

"No you're not... Is there anything you can do?"

WHACK!

"Bring out yer dead. Bring out yer dead..."

[mikegi]

Thanks for the post. I can't figure out what this thing is saying. For example, what does "the air bombardment on us in the morning of the seventh started ten of ramadan" mean? Is this Oct7 or Dec7 ? But Ramadan was in Nov, correct?

* in the fourth night and the twenty from the ramadan in very late in the evening an Istiqdna on a sound terrific and dreadful explosions near from us a very !! He is the place that in him sheikh Ossama Bin Ladin trench ¿ ! And passed on us that night is long and difficult and worrier an expectation to what about him that savage raid resulted in.

This appears to say that we bombed the 'trench' (I suspect this should be 'cave') containing Osama. The author was worried about Osama's fate following the bombing.

In in the morning and after the dawn prayer the information came us the disaster !! Have sheikh Osama trench from the land was removed and became no effect to him after Cann an eye he sticks out him the sheikh every day so that he inspects the fighters states and he follows up the battle information that may afflict the trench an alone from between the ( 15 ) a trench by a guided missile from the giant aeroplane ( a b is 52 ) and did not remain except an old hole and ÃÔáÇÁ remainders are here and there Osama have killed ¿ !! ¡ } and they who was killed are not thought in the god sake dead but alive at their god they give ¡ happy by what gave them the god from his favour and regard as good sign by the one who did not catch they from backs ÃáÇ an apprehension on them and no they grieves.

Not really sure what to make of this. Clearly, there was news of a disaster. Seems like 'land was removed' from Osama's cave - ie. the cave collapsed. Then it says that he usually comes out in the morning to inspect the trenches. Apparently, he didn't and all they found from the B-52 bombing was 'remainders are here and there Osama have killed '.

Who is this 'Osama'? Osama Adeni? The story clearly refers to UBL several times but it may just mean UBL's forces. Of course, there's the strange "Ossama Bin Laden is murdered" part.

[RummyChick]

Here is a thought that is totally speculative- there are some arabic letters not translated there- what if the thought is WHEN or IF because it uses the word THEN later...:

Ossama Bin Ladin is murdered .. Then the jihad sun is not to her a wane . ANyone have the balls to write these people and ask...bahahahahahahaha

[FourtySeven]

Thanks for the post. I can't figure out what this thing is saying. For example, what does "the air bombardment on us in the morning of the seventh started ten of ramadan" mean? Is this Oct7 or Dec7 ? But Ramadan was in Nov, correct?

I believe it was in Nov, yes. I think what that fragment may mean is "On the tenth day of Ramadan...", which may have been the 7th of Nov??? I don't know myself.

Of course, there's the strange "Ossama Bin Laden is murdered" part.

That's the one that caught my attention too. The more that I think of this though, we're never really going to get "confirmation" because we can't rely on these news sources for information. But alas, one can dream. < sigh >

[FourtySeven]

Ossama Bin Ladin is murdered .. Then the jihad sun is not to her a wane . ANyone have the balls to write these people and ask...bahahahahahahaha

If I could write in their language I would totally write to them. I mean, it's the internet for F sake...what are they gonna do, bomb my computer? hehe

[RummyChick]

Write them in English.
Here is something...I would say someone should pose as a sympathizer..except that isn't a good idea since the Feds are probably monitoring the site and communication and it might get you a knock on the door.

[Numbers Guy]

Thanks for the post. I can't figure out what this thing is saying. For example, what does "the air bombardment on us in the morning of the seventh started ten of ramadan" mean? Is this Oct7 or Dec7 ? But Ramadan was in Nov, correct?

Ramadan started around November 15th, so "seventh started ten of Ramadan" may mean 17 days after the start of Ramadan (or 7 days), which would mean November 22 or December 2. The latter is quite plausible as that's just about when the bombardment started.

And it may well be that Osama bin Laden's body wasn't found even by his followers (being in tiny little pieces), so they weren't sure what had happened at first. Some probably thought he'd already fled, others would think "he's undercover", it would take quite a while for a decentralized organization like Al Qaeda to figure out for sure what had happened (all these cells that only communicate with a limited number of people).

[Drknows]

Osama is dead
by Average Jeff • Monday September 09, 2002 at 03:57 PM

Osama died.

World News

September 09, 2002

Slip of tongue in interview 'betrays secret that bin Laden is dead'
By Dominic Kennedy

A SLIP of the tongue by one of Osama bin Laden’s top henchmen seems to have betrayed al-Qaeda’s most potent secret: its charismatic leader is dead.

The blunder was made by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who has confessed to being the operational mastermind behind the September 11 attacks. He made his mistake while disclosing many of the secrets behind the atrocities, which were plotted in Kandahar, the religious extremist Taleban movement’s Afghan spiritual home.

The target of the fourth, thwarted hijack attack in Washington was Congress, not the White House; the original plan was to crash aircraft into atomic power stations; and the plotters used simple codes to keep in touch by internet, he disclosed.

Mr Mohammed was speaking in a propaganda exercise organised by al-Qaeda in time for the first anniversary of September 11.

A television journalist from al-Jazeera, the Arabic satellite television station that has previously broadcast exclusive footage of bin Laden, was blindfolded and taken to meet two al-Qaeda chiefs.

During two days of interviews, Mr Mohammed referred to bin Laden, who has not been seen since the fall of Afghanistan’s Taleban regime, in the past tense. The reporter Yosri Fouda, London bureau chief for al-Jazeera, concluded that bin Laden is now likely to be dead.

The journalist was taken to the Pakistan city of Karachi, driven five miles into the countryside, blindfolded, then brought to a clandestine rendezvous on the fourth floor of a sparsely furnished flat. He believes that it was in Karachi.

There he met Mr Mohammed and Ramzi bin al-Shibh, a former flatmate of Mohamed Atta, the hijack ringleader. Mr bin al-Shibh is a suspect in the bombing of the USS Cole, when 17 sailors were killed in the port city of Aden in Yemen in October 2000. He described himself as head of al-Qaeda’s military committee.

The two men spoke of September 11 as “Holy Tuesday”. They described the attacks using the Arabic word ghazwah, which means a raid against enemies of the Prophet, Mr Fouda wrote in The Sunday Times.

It had taken 2½ years to plan the attacks, the men disclosed. Al-Qaeda’s military committee had decided there must be a “martyrdom operation” inside America.

Nuclear targets were the first choice, but they were ruled out for now, Mr Mohammed said.

The hijackers were recruited from al-Qaeda’s “Department of Martyrs”, which still has scores of volunteers for future suicide attacks, the men claimed.

Atta, an al-Qaeda sleeper agent studying town planning in Hamburg since 1992, was chosen as a pilot and Nawaf al-Hazemi as his second-in-command. Mr bin al-Shibh wanted to be the twentieth hijacker. He applied for a visa for flight training three times, but was turned down on security grounds.

Questions are likely to be asked over whether alarm bells should have sounded in the United States over such a suspicious individual being so keen to go to America to learn to fly.

The leading hijackers were summoned to Kandahar for a shura or council meeting. Four advance reconnaissance units were sent to America.

The chosen pilots enrolled in US flight schools. Meanwhile, young Saudi volunteers were picked to act as “muscle” in the hijacking of the aircraft. “They knew it was a martyrdom operation, but did not know the details,” Mr Mohammed said.

As investigators have long suspected, the plotters did use the internet to communicate, the men confirmed. Using a chatroom, Atta sent messages in German from America, posing as a student, to “Jenny”, his fictitious girlfriend. The real recipient was Mr bin al-Shibh.

In al-Qaeda’s code the World Trade Centre was “the faculty of town planning” (Atta hated skyscrapers, preferring traditional Islamic architecture), the Pentagon was “the faculty of fine arts” and Congress was the “faculty of law”. In a final telephone call Atta told Mr bin al-Shibh the chosen date for the attacks.

“Two sticks, a dash and a cake with a stick down”, he said, meaning 11/9. The news reached bin Laden on September 6, giving him only five days’ warning of the horrors.

Mr Mohammed’s slip of the tongue about bin Laden’s demise was a serious lapse. Throughout their discussions with the reporter, al-Qaeda operatives persistently sought to suggest that their leader was still alive, well and keenly following events.

One intermediary told the journalist that bin Laden remained an avid viewer of al-Jazeera, so much so that “whatever he misses, he gets on tape”.

Al-Qaeda’s decision to bring a reporter from al-Jazeera to meet two of bin Laden’s generals rather than the man himself adds to the impression that their leader may be no more. The satellite channel has previously been trusted with interviewing bin Laden in person, in 1997 and 1998. Mr Fouda was also suspicious when al-Qaeda failed to send him videotapes of the interviews, as promised, although audiotapes did arrive.

“I am driven to the interpretation that something is wrong with the upper reaches of al-Qaeda — some sort of disruption. I now believe it is more than likely bin Laden is dead,” he said.

[FourtySeven]

Interesting points, thanks!

[Numbers Guy]

in the fourth night and the twenty from the ramadan

This makes the dating even clearer. The 7th and 10 from Ramadan means 17 days after Ramadan started, or December 2nd. The 4th night and 20 (when one might interpret that OBL died) would mean 24 days or December 9th, which is just about when the bombing was the heaviest.

[LisaFab]

If hillary is ever elected president, the raping pervert will be all over the place.

Like he isn't now? LOL!

Thank the Lord in His mercy I've yet to spot i42 today. Do you think that the serial-lying treasonous rapist has finally gotten it through his STD-addled brain that many of us hold him directly responsible for these attacks and that maybe it would be best if he didn't come out from under his rock today?

[BlackElk]

Make that pig blood!

[FourtySeven]

I would say someone should pose as a sympathizer..except that isn't a good idea since the Feds are probably monitoring the site and communication and it might get you a knock on the door.

LOL......yeap, I'm sure it would! I could almost hear the buzz that "Carnivore", et. al. were making communicating to the Feds from that site. Which is why I'm not going to even TOUCH the link to send them a message......... ;) hehe

[FourtySeven]

Cool! Maybe it's true after all! Like I've said, one can dream!

[capydick]

Al-Cbs

[mikegi]

If this is right then it perfectly lines up with what I remember, too. I've been telling everyone that there was one night (Dec8 or Dec9) when the new tickers on Fox went ape with things like:

1) White House notified of possible Bin Laden location

2) Calling in all available aircraft

Shortly after that we dropped a Daisy Cutter on Tora Bora. It was a very exciting evening. Then came news of the bogus "cease fire". I think we got him that night.

[steve-b]

Do you think that the serial-lying treasonous rapist has finally gotten it through his STD-addled brain that many of us hold him directly responsible for these attacks and that maybe it would be best if he didn't come out from under his rock today?

More likely, he realizes that live coverage being viewed by millions of people gives his media buds no opportunity to edit out boos and catcalls (as they did for Her Heinous).