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Report of System Status (Britney Spears controls Cal ISO: Opps I Did it Again!)
Western Electricity Coordinating Council ^ | Sept 13, 2002 | WECC Staff

Posted on 09/13/2002 11:11:47 AM PDT by Robert357

Other Comments: CISO reported Spinning Reserve was deficient from 1606 through 1629 yesterday, attaining a minimum of 910 (2.5%). Cause was unknown and they manually dispatched resources to recover.
The adjusted threat levels remain in effect: Homeland Security, Orange (High); NRC from level 3 to level 4 (of 5); NERC Medium to electrical system, although no specific threat, low to Cyber; DOE from SECON level 3 to SECON level 2 (1 highest on scale of 5).

(Excerpt) Read more at wecc.biz ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: blackouts; californiaiso; calpowercrisis; ciso; electricity; government
A few days ago, the California ISO was suppose to have automatic load shedding equipment drop load in an underfrequency event, but the system didn't work and they went underfrequency and had to mannually step in to get things back in order. Now, the Cal ISO has had another "glich" in its automatic system that is suppose to protect electric power reliability.

I honestly doubt that the Clowns at the Cal ISO can get their act together. I think that FERC is right in trying to change the management of this Keystone Cops group before they black out the entire west coast of the US! This is getting to be pathetic. I hope someone in California starts to hold these people accountable.

NOTE: If you are trying to access the link to the daily report after a couple days the Sept 13th Daily report will be taken from the Today's Daily report and put into the archieves so you will need to go to the main page of
http://www.wecc.biz
and then go to the archieves area and pull up the article.

1 posted on 09/13/2002 11:11:47 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: Robert357; Ernest_at_the_Beach; snopercod
I honestly can't believe the clowns down at the California ISO. Anybody see this one announced on their website market notices? NOPE.
2 posted on 09/13/2002 11:13:32 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: Robert357
Boneheads are in charge of California, which surprises no one here at FR.
3 posted on 09/13/2002 11:16:29 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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4 posted on 09/13/2002 11:17:26 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Robert357
Put me in a room alone with Britney Spears, and I don't need any power for lights. ROFLOL.
5 posted on 09/13/2002 11:21:50 AM PDT by PetroniDE
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To: Dog Gone
Boneheads are in charge of California, which surprises no one here at FR.

I guess that the best and brightest of the California Democratic Party, Gov Davis, has appointed most of the board of the ISO and that even though FERC has said to change the makeup of the ISO board of directors, the good Governor knows better.

One would think that the Governor would expect some degree of competence from his appointees. But as you say this is California and the Democrats are in charge.

I sure hope FERC wins its lawsuit!

6 posted on 09/13/2002 11:24:06 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: PetroniDE
I am glad you appreciated the humor.

I gave it the vanity heading, because as in her song there is no guilt or shame for her actions. The ISO is not trying to learn from its mistakes and do better the next time. Ah,....how democratic party oriented.

I guess it takes a village to manage an ISO. (/sarcasm)

7 posted on 09/13/2002 11:27:24 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: Robert357
Another story with Britany Spears in it belongs in the humor section. The voters in CA have a chance to do something about it in November.

My comment about me and Britany is serious. Put me in a room with her, leave the power off all you want....

8 posted on 09/13/2002 11:29:35 AM PDT by PetroniDE
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To: Robert357; ElkGroveDan; RonDog; NormsRevenge
Robert thanks for keep us posted in Davis's Banana Republic. None of our left wing mediots carry data like this.

This is a ping to the rest of you. Simon's people need to be all over this rat mess and drag it out into the sunlight for more people to see.

9 posted on 09/13/2002 11:35:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Robert357; All
You think that it is bad in about to be dark Kali, just wait until this Watermelon Blackout Kali Bill starts to have an impact: (California adopted the nation's most ambitious renewable-energy goals Thursday, when Gov. Gray Davis signed a bill requiring that 20 percent of utilities' electricity be produced from renewable sources, such as solar, wind and geothermal, by 2017. )
10 posted on 09/13/2002 11:43:27 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Glad you liked the article. Isn't it great how they can change the rules for how long power plant permits are good for (before they expire), not be able to run the system they already have (the Cal ISO) and then decide that they want to change things dramatically (20% renewables) and then expect the lights to stay on! Amazing!

Seriously, if you add up how much renewable hydro is used by California that comes from the British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, and Idaho, 20% might not be that hard to attain (in a year with no drought). Of course, we all know that hydro is not being considered a clean renewable as dams are evil fish killers. So California will obviously need to look elsewhere for its 20% solution!

11 posted on 09/13/2002 11:55:56 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: Robert357
OK, once and for all: It's not Opps, it's Oops.

The first is pronounced "ahps". Why do people constantly spell this wrong???

12 posted on 09/13/2002 11:59:22 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: PetroniDE
Well...unless you are a blonde haired lookalike for Justin and can make millions of girls swoon over your looks ...well you know. I don't think you'd have much of a chance with ol' Brit.

But there's a bright side! Her 15 minutes are almost up! She's on minute 14.99999 and the clock is ticking! But maybe with the Cal crisis the clock will stay stuck!
13 posted on 09/13/2002 12:00:26 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Robert357
What happens if we actually go into one of our normal 3-5 year droughts from N. Kali to BC?

We came close last year to that cycle. Davis flushed the water from our lakes to keep the state from going black last year. What saved him was the lakes were reasonably high inspite of a fall/winter/spring drought here and up north. Also, we had a mild summer re high heat.

The watermelons work 24/7 to destroy our capitalistic society and to promote their dark ages.
14 posted on 09/13/2002 12:01:08 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: AmishDude
It's not Opps, it's Oops.

Forgive me.

15 posted on 09/13/2002 12:47:59 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: Grampa Dave
What happens if we actually go into one of our normal 3-5 year droughts ...

Depends when. Right now, with the economy down and a little luck in the weather, probably not that bad.

If the economy picks up, probably a problem.

If the Enviro's get their way and most of 4-Corners and Powder River Basin coal plants are shut down and Alberta shuts down its coal plants (and BC hydro sells to Alberta rather than Califonria), serious problems.

If I were a Californian, I would be real concerned for how the Canadian Premier has said they will decide on Koyota accords prior to the end of the year. If Alberta has to shut down all of its coal plants that produce most of its power, new transmission lines will be built and the electricity from BC Hydro will no longer come to California. That would be a huge loss.

16 posted on 09/13/2002 1:04:45 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: Grampa Dave
Headline News 2017...

The 300,000th CAL (Cows Ass Lighting) Power system was hooked up today to Jedediah Brimstones rammed earth house. When asked about the system, which produces gas for lighting, cooking and heating via a tube tethered to a leased bovines rectum, Mr. Brimstone remarked that "The smell gits a little ripe sometimes, and the lights flicker when the missus milks with cold hands, but all in all its way better than spending $10,000 a month on those fancy 'lectrical systems.
17 posted on 09/13/2002 1:48:19 PM PDT by Axenolith
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To: Robert357
Don't let it happen again! :)

It's just that I see it all over the internet and I cannot figure out where it comes from.

18 posted on 09/13/2002 2:11:17 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Robert357
"So California will obviously need to look elsewhere for its 20% solution!"

Hydroelectric dams kill fish.

Windmills kill birds. And they are "eyesores".

Solar would require carpeting the desert.

Thus, tapping into liberal flatulence is the obvious solution.

19 posted on 09/13/2002 2:14:06 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Grampa Dave; snopercod; Dog Gone; randita; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Carry_Okie; okie01
In the spirit of "Oops I did it again," I thought that I would update the group to a little thing that happend over the weekend. It was on Monday's Cal ISO Oasis Website in the Operations Notices:

09/15 14:04:34000 1345 PAST: WACM requested level 4 (step 9) contributing schedule curtailments per the WSCC Procedure to relieve excessive flow across Path 31. Path limit 413 MW, actual 408 MW and scheduled 342XX MW. USF 220 MW CCW.

From reading the posts it sounds like the guys at the ISO had some problems with making the little electrons go where they wanted them. Then later in the weekend another problem jumped up that had to do with the scheduling system not working.

I would like to restate, that the Cal ISO is going to cause a major west coast blackout (besides the one California is responsible for in Vegas). This is serious stuff and they are not getting their act together. The more stuff I see, the more it is clear that there are real problems. The more problems that don't get solved the more I want FERC to come in and change the management structure of the ISO.

20 posted on 09/16/2002 5:00:46 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: Robert357
"The more problems that don't get solved the more I want FERC to come in and change the management structure of the ISO."

What has to happen before FERC essentially seizes Cal ISO?

And, if they should, who would run it?

Were I them (FERC), I'd be getting somebody up in the bullpen...

21 posted on 09/16/2002 5:39:45 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Axenolith; SierraWasp
The 300,000th CAL (Cows Ass Lighting) Power system was hooked up today to Jedediah Brimstones rammed earth house. When asked about the system, which produces gas for lighting, cooking and heating via a tube tethered to a leased bovines rectum, Mr. Brimstone remarked that "The smell gits a little ripe sometimes, and the lights flicker when the missus milks with cold hands, but all in all its way better than spending $10,000 a month on those fancy 'lectrical systems.

Here is another answer althought this one is funnier than all git out!

Power Train: Choo-choos and plant-based fuels are in our energy future.

Sierrawasp - have you seen this train?

22 posted on 09/16/2002 8:12:24 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Robert357
Can't FERC fine Cal-ISO for this kind of behavior?

Where is Path 31? Which cities got their power cut off?

23 posted on 09/17/2002 3:46:17 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: snopercod
Nobody got their power cut off, but utilities had to crank up phase shifting devices to keep the power flow under control. Once more the Cal ISO has leaned on the system to save itself
24 posted on 09/17/2002 6:48:29 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: snopercod
Can't FERC fine Cal-ISO for this kind of behavior?

Actually, FERC is smarter than that. They and NERC have set it up so that if the Cal ISO really gets the rest of the West Coast power industry mad enough, the WECC can fine Cal ISO. That means no footprints from the attack leading back to Washington DC.

From what I am reading between the lines in the WECC daily reports, that just may happen. Althought utilities generally tend to be forgiving of their sister organizations under the theory....there but for the grace of God go I... I think Cal ISO is poisoning the well with enough people that even utility to utility relationships are strained.

Also having stiffed alot of generation companies on power payments creates some mood for payback. Remember it was a California witness who said in the FERC settlement hearing that even if California got what is likely to be the amount of refunds, they would still owe more money to generators who have not yet been paid for power delivered, than California would be owed by those generating companies. Payback can be a bitch. I also expect that when FERC finally makes its decision that California will not be thrilled with the outcome.

25 posted on 09/17/2002 9:09:01 AM PDT by Robert357
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