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Man in terror scare says woman is lying
CNN ^ | September 13, 2002 Posted: 10:55 PM EDT (0255 GMT) | CNN Correspondents Kelli Arena, Kelly Wallace, Susan Candiotti, Mark Potter and Terry Frieden

Posted on 09/14/2002 4:31:48 PM PDT by vannrox

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:01:16 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: vannrox
This whole sordid episode stinks to high heaven. My guess is that these guys are pushing the envelope to see how much they can get away with. Then, while all the attention is on them, the really bad stuff is going on elsewhere, unnoticed or witnessed only by people who are too intimidated to come forward.
81 posted on 09/15/2002 9:17:12 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Wow...some imagination. I have no idea what you're talking about....but a very good imagination nonetheless.

I just saw the med students on FOX and although they state that they were NOT at any point speaking or joking about 9-11, they went on to say that they felt Mrs Stone had overheard and misconstued certain key words or phrases and acted on that. Well, if there was nothing about 9-11 what were these "key words or phrases" that would lead a reasonably patriotic citizen to pull the law enforcement trigger on some total strangers. Had I heard what she says she heard and I have no reson to dispute her (I think the students were pulling a joke on her) I'd have done the same thing.

82 posted on 09/15/2002 2:29:19 PM PDT by ExSoldier
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To: ctdonath2
watched a reporter try to explain that such senario..quickly was said.."a guy pays for the car behind but were there 2 cars?..strangers dont pay for the car after it....... puzzled..the dog sniffing..nothing..the interview with the gentleman on why would she make up such a story.."I don't know.." comment..I guess I shall take the conclusion nothing was found or proven and forget the "ragtag" premises preceeding this drama. Read into it what you will..guess it is refered to as a "cliff hanger."
But will wait to see what happens now that the med students were turned away from the school..because of all the media attention on "suggested terrorist activity".
83 posted on 09/15/2002 5:48:08 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay
watched a reporter try to explain that such senario..quickly was said.."a guy pays for the car behind but were there 2 cars?..strangers dont pay for the car after it....... puzzled..the dog sniffing..

Here are some of the things we do know. They seem somewhat trivial, but the police spokesman mentioned it in just about every trip to the microphones as he briefed reporters at the scene on Friday.

1) That one of the cars ran didn't pay the toll. This claim was made all day long and into the evening.

2) That, on one of the cars, the tags were inconsistent with the vehicle ID number. They stuck with that story for most of the day.

3) The bomb-sniffing dog, indicated that it had sensed the odor of explosives in both cars.

It turns out the dog didn't detect explosives. So how often do dogs indicate false positive for explosives?

In the case of "uncooperative" suspects who don't roll initially roll over and volunteer to have their car searched, what's to stop a dog handler from saying,

"Oh look. Fido smells explosives. Guess that gives us cause to search the vehicle. Hope you're not hungry, Achmed, because it looks like we'll be doing a controlled explosion on your lunch today."

The tags- Turns out they weren't switched or tampered with at all. It was a temporary tag which lead to some interagency confusion.

OK, but did it really take all day long for the detaining agencies to figure that out?

and most notably,

1) The toll booth- Ayman Gheith said that when he got to the toll booth he noticed the toll taker seemed very nervous. He asked her what the problem was and hadn't his friend (Butt) in the first car paid the toll?

Gheith said she didn't speak English very well, so he asked again, hadn't his friend pay the toll? She nervously indicated that no, he hadn't.

Even though Gheith claims he saw that she was still holding Butt's $1.50 in her hand because she had not yet put it in the till, he paid Butt's toll -again- along with his own and proceeded.

It seems pretty clear from the number of cars that gave chase that the authorities knew the men were coming and were waiting at the toll booth for them.

I'm not sure why the cops couldn't simply pull Butts, Gheith, and Choudhary over without having to bolster the case for stopping them with the toll booth running story, but it appears that the police planned ahead to apprehend them at the toll booth.

Police probably gave the toll taker a head's up regarding the terror suspects (which explains why she was so nervous to begin with), possibly even told her something like, "You know, when they come through, don't put the money in the till we'll just go after them like they ran the toll."

Again, I don't know why, under the circumstances, the police would want to say the first car ran the toll when it didn't, but I'm guessing there may be lawyers on board here who can tell you that the cops have a better case to act with fewer immediate constraints if suspects display unusual or suspicious behavior, such as running the toll, switching tags, being "uncooperative", etc.

The toll running flap, although not needed to pull over the suspects in this incident, probably made the plan to apprehend and search them easier so the apprehending agencies just bent the facts about it. Just a tad.

Just a little fudge. No harm, no foul, right? Except now it appears that three upstanding citizens have had their lives severely disrupted, have lost their residencies, and are likely to be looked upon as suspicious for a long time because of it. It seems this could have been handled better and I think the detaining agencies have a some clarifying to do about the entire thing. If they're loathe to give the men an apology, at least they should honestly explain the public and to their prospective employers at the hospital just whether or not the three did anything wrong, instead of trying to gloss it over by saying it was a hoax, a prank, a misunderstanding or nothing at all.

84 posted on 09/16/2002 2:05:56 AM PDT by Lynette
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To: Lynette
Don't toll gates photograph license plates of scoflaws? The story should be able to be verified.
85 posted on 09/16/2002 2:22:09 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Lynette
didnt pay the toll as the car ahead paid for it..yes I got that part..Hey I wouldn't want to be of middle east heritage at this moment in history..if young ..probably would have an attitude anyway..so add this and..would have a major chip on my shoulder..some Black Americans must be quietly saying now..wow the heat is off they Young black male at the moment..but back to the story..the media is on a witch hunt regardless of facts..and people are ready to absorb anything put across the airwaves as gospel..reminds me of the old OJ chase down the California freeway..moments unfold..think you and I are on the same wave length.
86 posted on 09/16/2002 7:47:46 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: weegee
yes is handled via the US mail..not with chase-downs..and the media reported on the news I saw that the person in front of them said "I got this one for the car behind"..this story is a first class JOKE..!..was at the beginning and still it..wont respond again on it as is a waste of my time.
87 posted on 09/16/2002 7:50:46 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: Lynette
Your theory about police lying requires that certain selected statements, as reported by the press, be true.

I don't think the police needed a pretext to question the suspects. They had grounds for pulling them over -- the licence plate, and they had the dogs.

88 posted on 09/16/2002 8:00:29 AM PDT by js1138
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