Florida "Terror Scare" Detainees to Refute Charges (CAIR announcing press conference)

CAIR Press Release (via email) ^ | 14 September 2002 | CAIR

[The Person]

In Buffalo, the Muslim community did expose the terrorist cell.

[TLBSHOW]

total bs

[bootless]

Oh yeah ... all those people are conspiring to ruin these three. Right. Most people are far too busy in their day-to-day lives to cook this sort of stuff up.

In some ways, they just don't understand Americans at all.

[ET(end tyranny)]

She probably got an ear full from her son. "I told you they were pulling your chain".

From the sounds of things. IF they did say it, but were joking, then she chose to report, just in case. Granted they shouldn't have joked/hoaxed and given her any cause for suspicion. If this is the case, then they brought this onto themselves.

However, they deny saying any of it. Her son is the only one that can confirm, and we haven't heard one thing from him. All we have is her word about what her son said, too.

This thing is looking uglier than it did before.

[glorygirl]

Look, these guys weren't born yesterday. They know that in today's environment, the word of three put-upon Muslims isn't going to trump the word of a white woman in Georgia and her teen-age son.

And they know the word of one white cop on a deserted stretch of highway at 1 a.m. in the Everglades (toll booths in South Florida are automated)...probably won't be taken seriously either.

The good news is that the possibility of them being terrorists looks increasingly unlikely.

The bad news for Eunice: she should never have done any interviews with the media.

[glorygirl]

What I meant to say: the word of the three men will probably be taken more seriously by the media than the word of the woman and her son.

[kcvl]

JUNE 2000 VOLUME 2 NUMBER 6

Islamic concept of Al-Taqiyah to infiltrate and destroy kafir countries

- Dr. Walid

This article by Dr. Walid, a top scholar at the Islamic University, exposes our so-called secular Indian Muslims. By the doctrine of Al-Taqiyah, Muslims dominate crime syndicates, increase population by massive Bangladeshi infiltration and make temporary alliances with Dalits, Christians, etc.



Al-Taqiyah was a formidable weapon, used by the first dynasties and strategists. Today, scholars may identify it as deception. But the Jihadic deception was and still is more powerful than the James Bondian methods of Western classical intelligence tactics, for the simple reason that it has a civilizational, global dimension versus the narrow State interest of the regular Western subversive methods.

Al-Taqiyah is still in use today (and is widely practised and acknowledged by the Shi'ite sect) but not necessarily State-organized. Arab-Islamic missionaries are slowly converting the disillusioned criminal classes of the Western world by feeding them a Western "moderate" version of Islam (at the same time denouncing the actions of Muslims in the rest of the world as Un Islamic e.g. Taliban, GIA & FIA [Armed Islamic Front] of Algeria, Hamas, Lashkar -e Toyiba, Bin Laden and company, etc.)

It is done to prevent the new converts from seeing the real face of Islam; at least until their faith or mental conditioning is strong enough to make them turn against their own country and people.

A good example is the growing influence of Islamists in the Americas. On the one hand, American embassies, trade facilities, soldiers and intelligence infrastructures are under attack (but denounced as un-Islamic for the benefit of the new American converts).

On the other hand, the multiplying Islamic community (due to illegal immigration, paper marriages, religious visas granted to the religious men) attempts to pass itself off as "peace loving" and patriotic. In their own circles, the same community will liberally and violently denounce America, the West and its values (freedom, individualism, secularism, capitalism, scientific materialism, benign rehabilitation of criminals, prevention of cruelty against animals, women and gay rights).

One can easily detect Taqiyah in the two discourses used by Islamist strategists. On the one hand, one comprehensive Islamist theory is attempting to mobilize the Middle East, and sometimes Western Christian leaders and intellectuals, against "evil Jews".

They are forming alliances with everyone from Animal Rights' groups (to attack the Jewish tradition of slaughter which is ironically similar in cruelty to the Islamic way) to Far Right fundamentalists (to push for censorship of critiques of Islam and attack every forward thinking movement like women's rights and gay rights).

We see considerable success on that level. And on the other hand, another Islamist comprehensive theory is attempting - with success also - to mobilize the Jews against "evil and pagan Christians".

One can easily detect the sophisticated work of Taqiyah, for the strategic objective of Islamists is to destroy the foundations of the non Muslim civilizations, as a prelude to the defeat of an isolated Israel, India, United States of America, Britain, Germany, France, Italy, Russia, Egypt, Afghanistan, etc.

Taqiyah is not a unique phenomenon in history. Many strategists from all backgrounds implemented subversion. But the uniqueness of today's Taqiyah is its success within advanced and sophisticated societies. Taqiyah is winning massively because of the immense lack of knowledge among Western elites, both Jewish and Christian.

For interesting examples of Taqiyah methods, visit Christian discussion groups and forums and note the discourse of Islamist visitors aimed at undermining the Christian perception of Jews, and visit Jewish discussion groups and forums and note the subtle anti-Christian discourse of Islamist visitors. It is really informative and fascinating.

[Betty Jo]

http://www.rossmed.edu/Medical_School/Home/home.shtml

This takes you to the med school in Domenica where the three and the ones sister are atttending.

[ET(end tyranny)]

If they said they were joking, I might believe them, but according to them, the GA woman is lying, the cops are lying about running a toll, the cops are lying about initially refusing a search, and the dogs made a mistake that there had never been any explosives in the car. Imagine that, a conspiracy between a dog, the FLA police, and a GA woman!!

The cops cleared this up. The first car went through, but the second car paid for both.

I think one of them refused the search and many others here at FR said that they would have refused too.

The police explained too, that the dogs are trained to pick up scents. But, that anything from fertilizer to fireworks, could 'alert' the dogs.

About the only thing left that I still don't understand is the car tag.

[mystery-ak]

I have no doubt that Eunice is telling the truth...I did have a problem with her being on Fox all day giving interviews....I don't know if she was trying to help or looking for her 15mins.

[Polybius]

My family experienced it during World War I. They still spoke German at home...

So did World One ace Eddie Rickenbacker's family when he was a kid.

[bootless]

Don't patrol cars carry the dashboard video cameras? That would certainly document the stop. The sister's contention that they saw them being roughed up on live TV (if that's indeed what she said) is too bogus for words.

I think it's very likely that they could have been hired by the bad guys to test the system, and to weaken our resolve by beating Eunice up in the media. I mean, really, three guys who could only get into a Caribbean medical school with, well, not the brightest of medical futures ahead of them. That kind of dough could buy them a pretty good future, just to test the waters, act outraged, sue, etc. etc.

[Polybius]

Man in terror scare says woman is lying

Bear says he did not sh#t in the woods.

[ET(end tyranny)]

I don't remember if it was you or someone else in another thread, but they posted a link to ross as well and said that they have a link to 'placements'. And that some of the students have their names withheld. As pointed out by the poster, why would someone want their name withheld???

[bootless]

WOW. DO you have a link to this article?

I thought this was going on ... now I know.

[glorygirl]

Actually, I don't think your theory is beyond the realm of possibility.

And I'm not questioning the fact the car was stopped, I'm simply saying they may have a hard time proving the car ran a toll booth. There are some cameras at the toll booth stations and along the highways in Florida, but imho it's unlikely it was captured on camera, on a cop car or elsewhere. This is A VERY DESERTED, VERY DARK PLACE at night. There are no gas stations, nothing, along at least a 50-mile stretch of Alligator Alley.

[kcvl]

Doctrine of Dissimulation (taqiyyah)
It is related from Imam Sadiq in an authenticated tradition:

Taqiyyah is my din and the din of my forefathers.

Whosoever has no taqiyyah has no din.

It was the motto of the Household of the Prophet, so as to protect themselves and their followers from harm and bloodshed, and to better the condition of the Muslims and to cause agreement among them, and restore them to order.

And this is still a sign by which the Shia are known, and which distinguishes them from other sects and other peoples. Everyone, when he feels that there is danger to himself or to his property through the preaching of his beliefs or through the practicing of his beliefs in public, should practice taqiyyah. And this is something which appears reasonable to our natural intelligence. It is known that the Shia and their Imams have suffered much and have been denied their freedom throughout history, and that no sect or people have suffered like them. Thus they have been forced on many occasions to practice taqiyyah in order to conceal themselves from those with other beliefs; to keep themselves and their practices hidden, as long as their religion and their survival was threatened. And this is their cause for being distinguished from others by their taqiyyah.

Taqiyyah has rules and observations which indicate whether it is obligatory (wajib) or not, and these are mentioned in the relevant

chapters of the books of those learned in jurispridence (fiqh). It is not obligatory at all times, but is sometimes optional; and sometimes it is obligatory not to do it, as when it is necessary to proclaim the truth publicly, to protect Islam and save it, or to fight in the cause of Islam. On these occasions, property is of no value, and individual souls are of no importance. Taqiyyah is forbidden (haram) when someone's life is in danger, or when falsehood is being propagated, or when anything is threatening Islam, or when Muslims are menaced, or injustice and iniquity are spreading among them. The purpose of taqiyyah, in the view of the Shia, is not to form a secret organisation dedicated to destruction and subversion, as some of their enemies, who are not able to see things in there true light, have imagined, for such people have made no effort to really understand what we say. The point is not to make Islam and its rules a secret which cannot be divulged to those who do not believe. No, the books of Shea and their writings in the fields of jurisprudence (fiqh), law (ahkam) and theological studies, as also their beliefs, are in great abundance in the world, more than any other sect that is sure of its way. Our belief in taqiyyah has been abused by those who want to denegrate the Shia, and they consider it to be one of their weak points, for it seems that they are not satisfied with the necks that fell to the sword in the attempt to finish them off in that age when it was enough to say that someone was a Shef to assure his death at the hands of the enemies of the Household of the Prophet, from the Umayyids and the `Abbasids up to the Ottomans.

If our attackers wish to say that there is no evidence for taqiyyah in Islam, we can refute this. Firstly we follow our Imams and are guided by their guidance, and they have ordered us to practice taqiyyah when it is necessary, and it is to them an integral part of Islam, as we saw from the saying of Imam Sadiq:

Whosoever has no taqiyyah has no din.

Secondly, it has been commanded in the Qur'an:

Not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of his

faith. (16;106)

This verse was revealed about `Ammar ibn Yasir, who took shelter by proclaiming unbelief in order to protect himself from the enemies of Islam. Also Allah has said:

And a believing man of Pharoah's people who hid his faith . . .

(40;28)

- The Faith of Shi'a Islam

- by Muhammad Rida al-Muzaffar.

[ET(end tyranny)]

I have no doubt that Eunice is telling the truth...I did have a problem with her being on Fox all day giving interviews....I don't know if she was trying to help or looking for her 15mins.

If you want to be on tv all day... you're NOT going to... unless THEY WANT YOU TO!

I think fnc had her excusively. I think they kept her on, because it was a breaking story. Ongoing. And they knew they had a scoop.

I hope the police, feds and whoever interviewed these guys had tape recorders running, and got these guys admitting to a hoax/joke.

[kcvl]

Islamic concept of Al-Taqiyah to infiltrate and destroy kafir countries

Press Here

[bootless]

Thank you. That might be worth a post of its own...