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South Carolina: The Politics of Barbecue and the Battle of Piggie Park
The New York Times ^ | September 16, 2002 | Brent Staples

Posted on 09/16/2002 10:32:41 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa

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To: RonF
That's a good point.

Walt

21 posted on 09/16/2002 11:57:57 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: FreeperJr.
I'm a Jacks' Stack fan myself. I take his spicy sauce and doctor it up a little. I'm told that it's an acquired taste.
22 posted on 09/16/2002 12:01:28 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Sender
I've never had Georgia barbecue myself so I won't pass judgement on it. Carolina barbecue is just plain miserable. IMHO, of course. Texas has it's pluses and minuses but I still prefer KC.
23 posted on 09/16/2002 12:03:31 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Last month, The State, a Columbia, S.C., newspaper, reported that one of South Carolina's largest employers had taken a step that would discourage its workers from eating lunch at Piggie Park. Scana, the parent company of South Carolina Electric and Gas, has forbidden employees from parking corporate vehicles on the grounds of the restaurant, except during service calls. The company believes that Mr. Bessinger's views are inconsistent with its core values.

Notice how the Times does not mention that Scana also banned employees from having Confederate flag bumper stickers on their own personal cars.

24 posted on 09/16/2002 1:18:42 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: Non-Sequitur
I liked KC Masterpiece and Martin City best , when I lived in KC. What places are you thinking of?
25 posted on 09/16/2002 1:56:35 PM PDT by kaylar
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To: kaylar
Wow, how to narrow it down? If you were in Martin City then you are probably referring to Smokestack, now called Jack's Stack due to a family feud, and that is my favorite, too. Boardroom is good, Gates will do in a pinch, KC Masterpiece is OK but too commercial. There are any number of smaller places. If you are in Martin City and not in the mood for ribs, then head on down 135th Street to Jess 'n Jim's, best steaks in town and baked potatoes the size of footballs.
26 posted on 09/16/2002 2:13:03 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Species8472
Good reading? What's good about blatant bigotry? How is this character any different than Louis Farrakhan?

"Sacred constitutional republic?" Looney-tunes.

There's absolutely nothing "sacred" about what man makes.

27 posted on 09/16/2002 2:20:23 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: Non-Sequitur
Yeah, the Smokestack! I wanted to type "Smokehouse", but that's the name of a great BBQ place down by Lake of the Ozarks (which is another great area for BBQ, IMO). Smokestack used to serve the greatest appetizer ever : Vegetable kabobs . Huge shishkabobs of corn, onions, peppers,portobello mushrooms, etc, which were grilled under the cooking meats so the BBQ juices dripped down on them and soaked in.

If you're ever in Sedalia, there's a guy who cooks BBQ in the Food 4 Less parking lot. Not a restaurant...Just a takeout BBQ stand, and it's very good and inexpensive.

28 posted on 09/16/2002 2:28:33 PM PDT by kaylar
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To: Species8472; lodwick; kaylar
http://www.houstonpress.com/issues/2002-07-11/cafe.html/1/index.html

Thelma's (Houston)

or Otto's (Where you might run into "W's" dad.)
29 posted on 09/16/2002 3:25:02 PM PDT by justapicker
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To: goodieD
"The South does not equal slavery any more than Europe or Africa does..They did it first, they did it longer but no one seems to care about that." ......

Well that's true and in the Maurice's case he offers a convenient target of opportunity for some folks to posture against the South ...they get this chance every so often; couple of years ago it was Bob Jones U, next year it will be something else....

.. I expect Maurice will go broke and when he does a great "victory" will be declared by the demonizers of the Confederacy.....he won't go broke due to business at the restaurants, but over the disasterous cancellation of his chain store customers....when I read between the lines I think I know what happened here....anybody that's ever done business with WalMart (and my old company did) knows that you have to be very careful...a little guy can't handle their volume....he's got to go to the bank and borrow capital to expand his production because with Walmart you have to ship on time and in full.....no excuses are tolerated from Bentonville.....and they will also beat you down on price so bad that you're working razor thin....a big guy like say GE can tell them to go to hell, but a little guy with a big note down at the bank is in trouble if he loses their business....I expect that's where Maurice finds himself now.....the restaurants probably don't throw off enough cash to keep him afloat....so he appeals to people of Southern heritage to patronize him, and we will but I doubt it will be enough.....he would have probably been better off if he'd have just stuck with the restaurant business...if he'd flown the Stars n' Bars then, he would have gotten a local boycott; but he wouldn't have near the vulnerability that he has now.... Stonewalls

30 posted on 09/16/2002 3:25:29 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: rdb3
Good reading?

I like to stay informed and know my enemy (I read Louis Farrakhan too!) and though I don't particularly agree with either Maurice or Lewis, I do find their rants and raves highly entertaining.

Not being from the south, I appriciate the un-politically correct point of view as an alternative to the liberal garbage I've been fed all my life. (and as far as the sauce, I prefer a vinegar/brownsugar/tomato mixture).

31 posted on 09/16/2002 3:29:55 PM PDT by Species8472
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To: Species8472
Light on the vinegar. And where's your honey?
32 posted on 09/16/2002 3:52:29 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: Non-Sequitur
I've tried the Gates B-Q sauce. Its wonderful. Is there a way to get it through the mail?
33 posted on 09/16/2002 4:09:05 PM PDT by virgil
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To: virgil
I've tried the Gates B-Q sauce. Its wonderful. Is there a way to get it through the mail?

Why, of course. Through their website. All God's chillun got websites. Go here

34 posted on 09/16/2002 4:22:02 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: WhiskeyPapa
hate speech? where are you from, DU? The Confederate flag does not equal slavery, but I'd expect that you believe everything fed to you by the liberal left. Why don't you go learn your history before you make a bigger fool of yourself?
35 posted on 09/16/2002 4:22:29 PM PDT by goodieD
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To: rdb3
where's your honey?

At the risk of turning this into a recipe thread here goes:

The BBQ Sauce

Mince an onion or two real fine and sauté in butter (Oil or margarine will ruin it)
When the onions turn brown, add about a cup of packed brown sugar, you can add molasses or honey here to taste.
Cook until the sugar melts and starts to caramelize (turns dark brown.)
Deglaze and stop the browning with a cup or so of cider vinegar.
Add a couple of cans of tomato sauce and a couple of tablespoons of ground chilies. .
Bring to a boil and simmer for 15 minutes. .
Add additional brown sugar or vinegar until the proper balance is obtained. .
You can add more chilies if you desire more heat. .
Enjoy!

36 posted on 09/16/2002 4:43:45 PM PDT by Species8472
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To: WhiskeyPapa
I guess you've shown your true colors-- I mean true flag.
The confederate flag is an American Flag. Part of our history, just like the fact that Robert E. Lee freed his slaves at the outset of the war, and the Great Union Army's General Grants slaves had to wait untill the end of the war to see their first day of freedom.
Too much whiskey, Papa?
37 posted on 09/16/2002 10:07:40 PM PDT by R Sole
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To: WhiskeyPapa
The origin of the word 'barbecue' comes from the Carib Indians. Barbecue means roasted human arm in Carib Indian lingo.
38 posted on 09/16/2002 10:16:29 PM PDT by blam
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To: R Sole
Part of our history, just like the fact that Robert E. Lee freed his slaves at the outset of the war, and the Great Union Army's General Grants slaves had to wait untill the end of the war to see their first day of freedom.

Neither of these statements is true.

Walt

39 posted on 09/17/2002 3:40:24 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: goodieD
The Confederate flag does not equal slavery, but I'd expect that you believe everything fed to you by the liberal left.

The people of the day weren't part of the liberal left:

"The ends for which this Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assumed the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

* * *

The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.

Sectional interest and animosity will deepen the irritation, and all hope of remedy is rendered vain, by the fact that public opinion at the North has invested a great political error with the sanctions of a more erroneous religious belief.

We, therefore, the People of South Carolina, by our delegates in Convention assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, have solemnly declared that the Union heretofore existing between this State and the other States of North America, is dissolved, and that the State of South Carolina has resumed her position among the nations of the world, as a separate and independent State; with full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.

Virginia:

...the federal government having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of Southern slaveholding states;

Now, therefore, we, the people of Virginia, do declare and ordain, that the ordinance adopted by the people of this state in convention, on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, whereby the Constitution of the United States of America was ratified, and all acts of the General Assembly of this state ratifying or adopting amendments to said Constitution, are hereby repealed and abrogated; that the union between the State of Virginia and the other states under the Constitution aforesaid is hereby dissolved,...

Georgia:

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic. This hostile policy of our confederates has been pursued with every circumstance of aggravation which could arouse the passions and excite the hatred of our people, and has placed the two sections of the Union for many years past in the condition of virtual civil war....

Alabama:

....And as it is the desire and purpose of the people of Alabama to meet the slaveholding States of the South, who may approve such purpose, in order to frame a provisional as well as permanent Government upon the principles of the Constitution of the United States,

Be it resolved by the people of Alabama in Convention assembled, That the people of the States of Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky and Missouri, be and are hereby invited to meet the people of the State of Alabama, by their Delegates, in Convention, on the 4th day of February, A.D., 1861, at the city of Montgomery, in the State of Alabama, for the purpose of consulting with each other as to the most effectual mode of securing concerted and harmonious action in whatever measures may be deemed most desirable for our common peace and security.

Texas:

WHEREAS, The recent developments in Federal affairs make it evident that the power of the Federal Government is sought to be made a weapon with which to strike down the interests and property of the people of Texas, and her sister slave-holding States, instead of permitting it to be, as was intended, our shield against outrage and aggression;...

Southerners -gloried- in the term "slave states."

The confederate battle flag -is- the symbol of slavery.

Walt

40 posted on 09/17/2002 3:48:54 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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