Property Rights Violated..... Rural America Under Siege

Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE) ^ | 09-16-02 | Madeleine Fortin

[Black Agnes]

Her property is being flooded BY the government in an effort to 'restore' the everglades to a lake which they never were in order to 'save' a bird that isn't really endangered. Her property was fine until the government decided to flood it.

[TonyWojo]

It is known as CERP Comprehensive Everglades Restoration Program.

It is a program to restore the everglades to GOD knows what. Filling it with water so all of the non native species that have been introduced into the eco system can thrive. Like tilapia, and Oscars native to South America

Maybe they can restore the Grand Canyon and refill it to the plateua it once was before the Colorado River flowed through it.

Better yet maybe we should have Madeline drawn and quartered publically in downtown Miami for having bought property in something other than a smart growth gated urban development community.

[american spirit]

Who the heck are you talking to? I was responding to the initial post.

[Fearless Flyers]

I live in a small community in Southeast Florida, on the eastern edge of Everglades National Park called the 8.5 Square Mile Area. The Army Corps of Engineers has been ordered by Congress to provide my community with a small flood protection canal. Instead of doing this, the Corps has decided to condemn and acquire 2/3 of the community at three times the cost of protecting the entire community.

Rabid One learn to read and comprehend, try doing some research before you make foolish statements.

It is the Army Corp. Of Engineers and the enviroweenies that are picking the pockets of the Tax Payers for their own special interests in this case.

The Glades Restoration has nothing to do with water or restoring the Everglades. It is all about the destruction of rural live styles and the forced incarceration of Floridians in urban hell holes.

You remind me of a sniffling keyboard warrior.

[AAABEST]

Hey Lady- You live in a swamp!!!!!

STFU you silly commie goon druid fraud.

Anyone who bothered to read your posting history wouldn't have bothered to respond to a full blown pinko such as yourself. Leftists are always duplicitous liars, since they can't accomplish anything otherwise.

Normally I'd suggest cutting that forked tongue of yours out and shoving up your anus, but you're so damaged you'd probably like it.

[taxed2death]

While I am against any Federal grabbing of private land, I'm always amazed at people who choose to build their homes in a flood plain.

[Red Jones]

I am sickened by this type of thing and it really is happening all over. The media just doesn't report it. Our people and their rights don't even matter to our government.

[AAABEST]

It wasn't ever a "flood plain", there was no flooding whatsoever. The flooding didn't start until the ACOE and non-governmental environmental real estate barons decided that they wanted the people gone.

Would you mind if I asked where in the world you got the idea that she built a home in a "flood plain".

[Red Jones]

you nailed it galt-jw;

Young people who've been indoctrinated in public schools and in the universities are so incredibly ignorant. They have no idea what our country was like just 40 years ago. We had far less unemployment. Finding jobs that would support families was easy relative to today. We didn't need two incomes to support a family back then. Housing was very affordable given the paychecks people were making as compared to today. The minimum wage in 1965 was higher than what it is today after adjusting for inflation. Throughout our nation's history we've always had a situation where the average person enjoyed a much higher standard of living than the average person in just about any other nation, including the european nations. Today that is changing. We are becoming like them. Our people are becoming wage slaves on a treadmill where the goal posts keep changing, where government oppresses us and we ask for more oppression every time we vote for either a republican or a democrat. The whole cause for these negative economic trends is that government has attacked industry after industry after industry ever since 1970. The republicans and the democrats are equally to blame. The only president since JFK who reversed the trend was Ronald Reagan. LBJ, Nixon, (Ford's presidency was so brief), Carter and Bush 1 were all very bad for the economy. They did these bad things to please the liberals. If they didn't do these things, then they'd have been attacked like Reagan was. Bush 2 is following his father's footsteps and bashing the americans to please the liberals. Bill Clinton was a liar, a traitor and a crook. But he did not have the same propensity to destroy the economy like the others. Clinton would only destroy an american industry (like he did with the Colorado coal mine) if he could make money at it, he didn't do it out of ideology like the others. The percentage of the GDP that is federal government actually shrank under Clinton. Clinton did not impose a heavy dose of regulatory burden and taxes on the economy like Bush 1, Carter or Nixon did. The economy in fact did prosper under Clinton. The unemployment rate under Clinton almost made it down to what was normal prior to 1970. Forty years ago our unemployment rate was 2.2%. A high school graduate could find a job that would support a family easily. Today that is a pipe dream. And the young people victimized by this situation have been indoctrinated to believe that the americans who lived in 1960 were evil because they lived in 1960 america. If Clinton hadn't been a scoundrel the liberals would've attacked him and then he'd have had to change or be kicked out of office.

Our young people have been mesmerized by the political correctness indoctrination which is communist in nature and our nation is being killed over it.

[taxed2death]

Read second paragraph.

[Black Agnes]

They need a flood protection canal because the ACoE has been flooding them in their effort to 'restore' the Everglades to the lake it never was. In their joyous desire to condemn and 'take' as much property as possible towards the goal of 90% of FL off limits to people, the nice people have blocked the building of this canal that would have protected this area against the actions of the ACoE. Before this 'restoration' project began, there was no need for a flood protection canal. This protection is being denied and used as an excuse to condemn these people's land and make them 'willing sellers'.

[AAABEST]

Sir, her home was there well before the intentional flooding by the ACOE began. That is, it never was a "flood plain" until they began purposely flooding it. These people were high and dry.

Before they began the useless flooding, they were ordered by congress to provide protection to this community. That was until they decided that following the law was too inconvenient and the multi-billion dollar envirocreep real estate investment orgs decided they wanted dominion over everything.

[Tailgunner Joe]

bttt

[taxed2death]

Thank you for explaining that to me. The article leads one to believe that there was a flooding problem BEFORE the Gub-mint got involved......since is says they came in to build flood control. One might assume there were floods, hence the need for flood control. Interesting mess down there.

[Black Agnes]

You're welcome :)

[RipSawyer]

Get someone to read the second and third paragraphs and explain them to you.

[Pontiac]

This kind of Ecoterrorism will be attempted all over the country. Groups are active all over the country. Here in Ohio there is a group who’s goal is to restore a good portion of Northern Ohio, some of the best farmland in the US to swampland. I copied a small part of there website below. As you can see they are using the power of the state to assist them. Because they are very active politically they have shaped tax laws to their benefit and are using the tax law to take farmland and idle it in the name of “open spaces and wild life conservation. Remember when you do your Ohio taxes not to check the box marked Donate to Wild Life Conservation.

http://www.wcnet.org/~bsc/

Northwest Ohio was once called the Great Black Swamp. This expanse of wetlands and woodlands stretched from Ft. Wayne, Indiana to Findlay, Ohio. Beneath a dense canopy of oaks lived a rich diversity of plants and animals. When settlers discovered the agricultural value of the soil, they cleared and drained much of the swamp for farming.

What We Do

How we preserve natural spaces:

Advise farmers and landowners regarding the techniques and estate-planning benefits of land preservation.

Act as a permanent guardian for the land's conservation values, backed by the office of the Ohio Secretary of State.

Monitor easements on an annual basis to assure terms of the easement are upheld. Scheduled visits with the landowner for review of the easement.

Educate future landowner(s) of the terms of the easement.

Secure and enforce conservation easements.

Acquiring-through donation or purchase-natural or agricultural land that is left undeveloped.

Work with local and state officials in the coordination of conservation efforts.

Educating the public about the need for and the benefit of land management and preservation.

[AAABEST]

Gee, I bet the farmers in that area can't wait for that wonderful "plan" to commence.

There's a convoy leaving from your area. Are you getting involved.

[AnalogReigns]

Virtually all of Florida is so low as to be called a flood plain, by those of us who live in more curvaceous terrain. Agriculture all over the USA is without a doubt THE most government subsidized, socialistic part of our economy. This is probably due to the boom-bust nature of farming....dependence on weather, flood control, large price fluctuations, etc. When it comes to flood control--the government is almost always heavily involved...from the beginning. Parts of Florida would be uninhabitable swamps, but for drainage of those swamps and extensive flood control began generations ago, by of course the government....

I for one am reserving judgment on this one. South Florida, if I'm not mistaken, is the heart of one of the most notorious pork-barrel agriculture supports in the nation, namely the subsidies and protectionism given to sugar-cane plantations. Cane sugar would be something like half the price it is in the stores but for government intervention.

We've only heard one side of this argument....so even though the Army Corps of Engineers is often wrong, I simply cannot take sides.

[AnalogReigns]

I really don't hear anything alarming in your post, in quotations from the Ohio site. An easement is a VOLUNTARY contractual restraint on a use of property. It's one of the best private, free-market ways of encouraging particular usage. Historic property for example will sometimes have an easement VOLUNTARILY donated by the PRIVATE OWNER in the deed of the property, that say, the house cannot be torn down or externally remodelled, unless the easement holder (usually a state based historic group) approves. In this way--with NO GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION, certain limits or uses of property can be obtained. This is MUCH less intrusive to freedom than zoning laws for example....where the government uses its big hand to force particular land use....

Easements are VOLUNTARY, by the land owner....and organizations must convince land owners its in their own best self-interest to grant particular easements. The state or private interest groups have no power to demand such easements. Zoning is something much greater to fear, rather than easements.

I used to be a Realtor involved with historic property...so I know what I'm talking about.