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When tolerance spells rape
WND ^ | September 20, 2002 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 09/20/2002 8:22:19 AM PDT by gubamyster

Posted: September 20, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

In a crazy top-down decision, the Big Brothers-Big Sisters of America organization told its local chapters they would no longer be able to exclude homosexuals from mentoring children.

It didn't take long for that sick, irresponsible ruling to result in its first casualties – innocent children raped by predators.

In Ohio, Scott A. Wagner, 34, has been indicted on 24 counts of rape and 57 sexual abuse charges involving six boys. Wagner was a volunteer with Big Brothers-Big Sisters and "mentored" one of the boys.

I shouldn't have to explain why the Big Brothers organization is morally culpable for these crimes. But, sadly, in this day and age, it is necessary to get down to basics.

Big Brothers still has the good sense not to assign adult men to "mentor" young girls. They do this because a certain percentage of adult heterosexual men will be tempted to sexually abuse those girls. It's just a simple fact. We all accept it. There is no denying it.

The denial, however, comes into play with homosexuals. Because of the "diversity" craze, because of "tolerance-mania," because of political correctness gone mad, many in our society deny the same principle holds true for homosexuals. Or, if they do, they prefer to overlook the facts as a way of making some kind of social statement at the expense of a few child sexual victims.

It's obscene.

It's even worse than that. Not only is it indisputably true that a small percentage of homosexuals are tempted to involve themselves sexually with boys under their care, statistics show that homosexuals commit a disproportionate number of child sex crimes.

Homosexuals represent somewhere between 1 percent and 3 percent of the population. Yet they commit up to one-third of all sex crimes against children. Knowing this, why would any responsible agency want to put more children in harm's way?

Of course, homosexual activists will also deny reality. They will cite bogus statistics concocted by pseudo-researchers like Alfred Kinsey – himself a sexual sociopath. They will even tell you that homosexuals are less likely to be molesters than heterosexuals. They will tell you that anyone like me who cites real facts is just a hater, a homophobe.

In other words, they will lie to protect their own vested interests in a sexually immoral lifestyle and a political program that stands on its head 5,000 years of Judeo-Christian sexual ethics. That's what we should expect from them and that's what they are delivering. What continues to amaze me is the way so many people buy their political propaganda and think they are doing compassionate work by exposing children to those most likely to abuse them.

Imagine the plight of these poor kids. They seek out some adult guidance, friendship and love from an organization like the Big Brothers. And what Big Brothers gives them are predators seeking sexual thrills with these kids.

You might think the leaders of this organization had been reading the news, observing the big judgments against the Catholic Church for allowing priests to abuse boys under their care. Evidently not. In the very face of this scandal, the Big Brothers changes its rules to make it inevitable that more boys will be victimized.

Thank God a few organizations – like the Boy Scouts of America – have defied tremendous pressures to cave in like the Big Brothers. They understand their first responsibility is to the safety of children. They understand that an organization working with children must first ensure they do no harm. They understand that reducing the risk of allowing sexual abuse to scar children is a moral imperative.

As a result of this common-sense approach to a very real problem, the Boy Scouts have been boycotted. They have been sued. They have been thrown out of public facilities. They have been maligned. They have been characterized as some kind of subversive organization. They have been bullied. They have had funds cut off.

It's time to stand up in support of common sense and the Boy Scouts and reject the dangerous, twisted policies of groups like the Big Brothers.


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1 posted on 09/20/2002 8:22:19 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster
In a crazy top-down decision, the Big Brothers-Big Sisters of America organization told its local chapters they would no longer be able to exclude homosexuals from mentoring children.

They want the "freedom" to coerce their ways within their "private" milieus. We did away with the slavery, it's coming back raging with liberals demanding to set up gay shops all over the planet, from where and with gay judges, they will be able to coerce their ways on kids and parents via false witness. Yep, people are apes who need sexual preferences in Soddom/Nazidom II

2 posted on 09/20/2002 8:29:31 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: gubamyster
Homosexuals represent somewhere between 1 percent and 3 percent of the population. Yet they commit up to one-third of all sex crimes against children.

READ THAT AGAIN.

Homosexual apologists on FR keep denying this, but it continues to be true nevertheless.

3 posted on 09/20/2002 8:29:48 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
They will cite bogus statistics concocted by pseudo-researchers like

SNIP

Homosexuals represent somewhere between 1 percent and 3 percent of the population. Yet they commit up to one-third of all sex crimes against children.
4 posted on 09/20/2002 8:37:28 AM PDT by Egregious Philbin
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To: gubamyster
BSA Youth Protection Guidelines--Other Organizations can learn from this and be able to fight press and the political left because in thier (the press') view the homosexuals come first.


http://www.scouting.org/pubs/gss/gss01.html

http://www.scouting.org/pubs/gss/toc.html

http://www.usscouts.org/safety/YouthProtQA.html

http://www.scouter.com/compass/Youth_Protection/

http://www.vhcbsa.org/training/protect.htm
5 posted on 09/20/2002 8:38:54 AM PDT by Coleus
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To: gubamyster
The leaders in this country can say what they want, but God is a majority of one and they will be called to an account for allowing such abuse to occur in the name of political expediency.
6 posted on 09/20/2002 8:40:10 AM PDT by MoGalahad
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To: Egregious Philbin
can anyone cite a source for this statistic - it is powerful but meaningless without a source.
7 posted on 09/20/2002 8:44:05 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: gubamyster
Boy Scouts of America bump
8 posted on 09/20/2002 8:45:00 AM PDT by tictoc
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To: tictoc
BSA bump.
9 posted on 09/20/2002 8:54:35 AM PDT by paulklenk
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To: gubamyster
The judges who continue to allow these diviates to operate are the ones that should be raped, along with the management of org.'s like this one who condone such crimes against children. If it was one of my children, you can bet they would get a bullet between the eye from me.
10 posted on 09/20/2002 9:11:44 AM PDT by Texbob
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To: epluribus_2
Farah is referring to a report by the Family Research Council.
12 posted on 09/20/2002 9:12:33 AM PDT by Egregious Philbin
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To: gubamyster
Big Brother/Big Sister. Boys Scouts of America. Catholic Church.

If you allow homosexuals to have positions of power over young, vulnerable people there will be sex crimes. Why are some people shocked when this happens? Perhaps even worse, how can people continue to deny that it happens?

And when a good group like the Boy Scouts moves to end this travesty, the homosexuals get all upset. Why? Is it because they know that some of their fun is being taken away?

13 posted on 09/20/2002 9:16:18 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: gubamyster
Big Brothers-Big Sisters of America and any homesexual activists that pressured them to institute such a sick policy should be sued. In a better world they would receive far worse.
15 posted on 09/20/2002 10:06:12 AM PDT by StockAyatollah
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To: gubamyster
Alfred Kinsey

Using him as a data and research source-- now there, right there, they kill alot of credibility...

16 posted on 09/20/2002 10:09:01 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: madg
I have my own statistic. I used to hang out regularly with a group of 5 police officers. One was openly gay. Only one of the 5 police officers has been charged with criminal sexual assault. Care to guess which one?
17 posted on 09/20/2002 10:17:43 AM PDT by iranger
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To: madg
You have to take all the offenders, wave a wand over them and magically transform them into “homosexuals,” regardless of their actual sexual orientation or identity.

No magic wand needed. If the perpetrator has chromosomes of the XY variety, and if the victim has chromosomes of the XY variety, then we have a homosexual molesting a child.

What's hard about that?

PS Yeah, if it's a woman molesting a girl, then substitute XX for XY in the example above.

20 posted on 09/20/2002 11:36:38 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: madg
No, nobody can cite a source for that because it is a made-up statistic.

A source can be cited, though. Typically it goes back to the discredited Paul Cameron. Many decry criticism as part of the "homosexual agenda", yet they never actually try to counter the specifics given within the criticism (such as the explanation of how his 'homosexual lifespan' study was total bunk involving utterly worthless methodology).
22 posted on 09/20/2002 11:56:19 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: gubamyster
So was he accepted into the organization immedeately after they changed their sexual orientation policy, or was he in before that happened?
23 posted on 09/20/2002 11:57:52 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: madg
I’ve already pointed out that this type “behavioral constructionism” is not a scientifically valid determinant of sexual orientation.

One: Your way of expressing yourself is something I see most often in Marxists who are trying to deceive people into believing things which are very obviously untrue.

Two: My point is that if both parties have the same equipment, then it is a homosexual act. You are (unbelievably) trying to argue that it doesn't matter. It (apparently) isn't a homosexual act unless the perpetrator "self-identifies" as homosexual. That, Sir, is a bunch of BS. And I suspect you know it.

24 posted on 09/20/2002 12:05:46 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: madg
"So you judge millions of men by the actions of one? Do you think that’s wise?"

I only offer my evidence as confirmation of what many of us innately know.

25 posted on 09/20/2002 12:10:02 PM PDT by iranger
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To: ClearCase_guy
So if someone is sexually attracted to both people of the same gender and people of the opposite gender, is that someone a homosexual?
26 posted on 09/20/2002 12:14:20 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: epluribus_2; *SASU
It's based on crime statistics. Of reported molestations over 1/3 are male on male (homosexual by definition)

(Of course the SAD apologists will say that just because a man molests a boy it's not a homosexual act.)

Freeper Bryan posted a huge compendium of research proving this stat, including the original crime statistics. I've got it bookmarked somewhere but can't find it at the moment.

God Save America (Please)

27 posted on 09/20/2002 12:16:22 PM PDT by John O
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To: Illbay
Just a couple of questions. What is the percentage of open homosexuals working in the news media? And what would be the estimated total percentage?
28 posted on 09/20/2002 12:16:25 PM PDT by fella
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To: epluribus_2
Yes. Go to Rahway New Jersey. Neat little place there called Avenel Adult Diagnostic and Treatment Center, right in front of Rahway state prison. The ADTC does very little diagnostic and treatment of anything. And they admit that the sex offenders they hold and release usually commit a crime again.

And most of the offenders in there are homosexual men.
So just take a nice little road trip on down there, go see the sights, and visit the place. Be sure to bring a barf bag as you interview people. Quite a few of teh offenders in there say such nice things like, "My only mistake was letting the victim live!" or, "She/he wanted it!/ was asking for it!"

No, I'm not trying to be nasty to you. It's just a sad commentary on life in this country.
31 posted on 09/20/2002 12:33:59 PM PDT by Darksheare
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To: madg
Madg is a True Believer who will remain unpersuaded, no matter what.

I feel like having fun: imagine a conversation with such a person:

Madg opines: "No man will ever be President of the United States."

"That's silly. Happens all the time."

"Ha! That's ridiculous! Educated people know it's not true. Name one!"

"George Washington."

"Oh, so 1 example? That's all you have? You extrapolate your data based on one data-point? Don't you think your conclusion is a bit far-fetched? You'd never make it as a scientist! Go on, name another (as if you can)! "

"John Adams."

"Two? That's it? This is silly! There's 3 billion men on the planet, and all you can come up with is 2 who have been President of the United States!"

"Thomas Jefferson."

"Look, these 3 are not men as recognized in the current scientific literature. You're making my case for me. I think people watching this debate realize that you're losing. Clearly, no man has ever been President of the United States."

"James Madison."

"Look, the post-structuralist antinomian view of societal influences may persuade, in a teleological sense, that post-colonial praxis can be realized in a statis environment. But the point you're trying to make was proven to be outmoded by Schottscrer at the Vienna Conference in 1953! No one but a Garibaldian holds those views now! In fact, the dominant hegemony of a patriarchal construct specifically argues against the post-modern denominalist superstructure that you're trying to erect. I think you should admit defeat."

32 posted on 09/20/2002 12:35:11 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: madg
"An isolated example is hardly a “confirmation.” Have you ever heard of a probability sample?"

When you know something innately, a single incident is confirmation of that which you know to be true.

34 posted on 09/20/2002 12:45:36 PM PDT by iranger
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To: madg
That was quick. Usually they try harder.
36 posted on 09/20/2002 12:46:14 PM PDT by JoshGray
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To: Illbay
No, "queers" are just punished for it more often, because society finds "queers" unacceptable. Society turns a blind eye to most child sex abuse when it's heterosexual. Pedophilia is used as an excuse to attack gays. Gay means you like your own gender, (whatever tricks your trigger, I guess) but pedophile means you are a criminal.

besides, 87 % of statistics are made up.

37 posted on 09/20/2002 12:48:18 PM PDT by frodolives
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To: madg
"Does that mean that getting out of bed every morning is a “confirmation” of gravity??"

yes

"Finally, why would you need “confirmation” of something that you think you already know?"

I don't, but for the non-believers, its another grain of sand heaped upon the mountain of already existing evidence.

"I don’t see how it’s possible that anyone can “innately know” anything about what we’re discussing."

Some of us have a firmer grasp of the obvious than others. Why? Obviously, God gave us all different gifts. I've been aware of my clarity since my early youth.

40 posted on 09/20/2002 1:36:50 PM PDT by iranger
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To: gubamyster
What did BIG BROTHERS AND BIG SISTERS mean,they could no longer exclude homos?They most certainly can as the law does not require them to hire or accept volunteers that have criminal backgrounds or DEVIANT SEXUAL HISTORIES.
41 posted on 09/20/2002 2:05:44 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: madg
Tell me if you agree with this statement: "On a percentage basis, self-identified homosexuals commit less same-sex crimes with minors than self-identified heterosexuals do."

That seems a valid conclusion from this study. Hence no increased security against same-sex pedophilia would result from banning gays (self-identified).
44 posted on 09/21/2002 5:26:08 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: madg
"If you think that you "innately know" something other than that, you are mistaken."

You are whistling past the graveyard. Sexual deviants are far more likely to be predators.

45 posted on 09/21/2002 7:13:10 PM PDT by iranger
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To: madg
I erred - not a study. Thanks.
47 posted on 09/22/2002 6:27:20 AM PDT by secretagent
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To: iranger
You are whistling past the graveyard. Sexual deviants are far more likely to be predators

Especially since sexual predation puts one in the sexual deviant class.

48 posted on 09/22/2002 6:34:07 AM PDT by secretagent
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To: Illbay; JoshGray
Homosexuals represent somewhere between 1 percent and 3 percent of the population. Yet they commit up to one-third of all sex crimes against children.

READ THAT AGAIN.

Homosexual apologists on FR keep denying this, but it continues to be true nevertheless.

When I read what you posted, I was going to say: "Freeper Josh Gray always denies that statistic--I bet he shows up; but does not address the issue directly."

I was too late---I see he alread showed up. But, the ugly truth of homosexual rape and sexual abuse in relation to their % of the population was not effectively refuted by him.

49 posted on 09/22/2002 7:01:45 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: madg
The overwhelming majorities of predatory pedophiles are ostensibly heterosexual, regardless of the genders of their victims.

ROFL. The mental contortions you went through to get to this "conclusion" must have been painful. An adult male who molests a male child can still be strictly labelled a heterosexual? An adult female who sexually assaults a little girl cannot be called a homosexual (or bisexual) unless she says so? Absolutely fascinating! Tell us more!

50 posted on 09/22/2002 7:03:27 AM PDT by Teacher317
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