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Eavesdrop if you must, but the get facts straight (STONE BASHING)
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | 9/21/02 | David Porter

Posted on 09/21/2002 11:17:50 AM PDT by Rumierules

Eavesdrop if you must, but get facts straight David Porter

September 21, 2002

I know how Eunice Stone must have felt.

Stone is the woman who was eating in a restaurant near Interstate 75 in Georgia last week when she heard fragments of a conversation that she suspected might have been part of a terrorist plot. The three young Arab men who had been engaged in the conversation were stopped later in Florida and detained for 17 hours while they were checked out by authorities.

When you overhear snatches of someone else's conversation, it's easy to reach a distorted conclusion about the discussion.

I know this because, on Thursday, I went for lunch in the food court of Fashion Square Mall in Orlando. At one table there were two guys talking about needing money. Hmmm. Could they be contemplating knocking over an armored truck?

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alligatoralley; aymangheith; eavesdrop; eunicestone; facts; kambizbutt; omarchoudhary; stone; straight; terroristhoax
This guy is a moron.
1 posted on 09/21/2002 11:17:50 AM PDT by Rumierules
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To: Rumierules
I may be wrong but wasn't the woman the waitress? If so, who didn't get their facts straight?
2 posted on 09/21/2002 11:30:20 AM PDT by elephantlips
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To: Rumierules; Mudboy Slim; scholar; sultan88; KLT; ForGod'sSake
This is the epitome of chutzpah on behalf of this sickening Liberal-Socialist quisling-pinhead Urinalist & the rag he craps for.

When they oughta be pinning a MEDAL on this broad??
Instead THIS is what our "Protectors of Liberty" in our shameless Lamestream media's come up with in an attempt to SMEAR this concerned citizen??

All I can say is the Liberal-Socialist scum are really slipping.
In that it took the quislingS over a week to come up with the angle to this pathetic hit piece??
The pinheads dumb enough to waste their hard earned money buying that rag don't even know who the leaker's talking about.

...after a day or two.

3 posted on 09/21/2002 11:32:35 AM PDT by Landru
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To: Landru
personally,there would have never been
an Alligator Alley stoppage if it were me.
I'd have pummeled those smartasses right smack
on the spot.And won too.
4 posted on 09/21/2002 11:38:28 AM PDT by cactusSharp
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To: Rumierules
overhear snatches of someone else's conversation,

"Overhearing snatches" is not the same as "eavesdropping" unless the listener is on the other side of a door or bugging a conversation.

I'm curious-----Does David Porter want Eunice to


5 posted on 09/21/2002 11:39:57 AM PDT by syriacus
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To: Rumierules
This guy is a moron

A**hole works better for me

6 posted on 09/21/2002 11:42:32 AM PDT by paul51
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To: Rumierules
Porter: She did what she thought was right, and it turned out badly. Maybe we all can learn from her experience.

And just what do we learn?

How many words should we overhear before reporting suspicious behavior? I wish Porter would spell it out.

As his article stands, Porter leaves us with the impression we should pay more attention to conversations going on around us.

Is that what he really wants?

7 posted on 09/21/2002 11:46:23 AM PDT by syriacus
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To: Landru
nstead THIS is what our "Protectors of Liberty" in our shameless Lamestream media's come up with in an attempt to SMEAR this concerned citizen??

The last I heard on this subject on Chicago radio was that that LE was considering filing a felony charge against the informant!!--who also BTW--was a patron, not the waitress.

When it comes to the lamestream media--we can't believe a thing they say! If the truth is ever known, we won't see it on the front pages of the papers or the nightly, liberal TV news.

On the one hand we are told that we are all supposed to be vigilant and report anything suspicious, yet this woman is being vilified for doing that very thing.

8 posted on 09/21/2002 12:02:27 PM PDT by scholar
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To: elephantlips
She is a nurse.
9 posted on 09/21/2002 12:11:10 PM PDT by pitinkie
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To: scholar
"When it comes to the lamestream media--we can't believe a thing they say!"

A very simple solution - quit reading the paper and listening to the lamestream media -

1. Do not listen to the lamestream media
2. Do not watch lamestream media TV
3. Quit buying the lamestream media newspapers
4. Quit supporting them.
5. Quit your bitching if 1-4 is not complied with!


"On the one hand we are told that we are all supposed to be vigilant and report anything suspicious, yet this woman is being vilified for doing that very thing."

It would not be the first time the messenger was shot - and it won't be the last - get use to it.

As I recall after running 26 miles + 300 meters to warn one group of Greek Republicans that the Liberals were coming - they killed the bastard - Nike doesn't like to tell you that though.


10 posted on 09/21/2002 12:14:35 PM PDT by SEGUET
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To: scholar
"When it comes to the lamestream media--we can't believe a thing they say! If the truth is ever known, we won't see it on the front pages of the papers or the nightly, liberal TV news."

Another thought just struck me - if you are reading and listening and watching the Lamestream media in order to "spy" on them and report every word that they say to John A$$craft or 'THE' Buush then that's different -

Keep up your support - they need the money and A$$craft and Buush needs more information on which NOT to act.

11 posted on 09/21/2002 12:19:39 PM PDT by SEGUET
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To: syriacus
get one of those old-timey ear-horns?

They sell those nifty little sound bubble thingy's at the toy store these days. Every restaraunt should have one.

12 posted on 09/21/2002 12:21:53 PM PDT by Frapster
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To: Rumierules
Here's a copy of the email I sent off to this dope:

Mr. Porter:

I found your above titled article from the Orlando Sentinel to be rather stupid. You slam Eunice Stone for jumping to conclusions because you claim she only got snatches of the conversation between the three young Arab men at the Georgia Shoney's Restaurant. How do you know this to be the case? Were you there sitting next to her? Or are you psychic?

I guess her statements citing full and complete sentences uttered by these individuals, become only snatches of gossip in your biased eyes. Why is it that each time these so-called men retold their story, they felt compelled to add to it? For example, when they were first interviewed by the media that Friday after being released, they claimed that they had been talking about their new semester at school. Then, when they gave their press conference that Sunday, they stated they had been talking about a car. And when they appeared on Fox News, Donahue, Larry King, and MSNBC last week, they reported that their conversation dealt with even more topics: meeting new friends at school, new experiences out of classroom, hospital, etc. Yet through all this, Mrs. Stone's statements have remained the same. I might add, that on Fox News and Donahue, Mrs. Stone said she was willing to take a Polygraph. Yet when the three Arab men were asked the same question, their lawyer jumped in, would not let them speak, and would not accept the invitation. I guess they were holding out until they could pick their only Polygraph Operator, as Gary Condit did.

Did it ever enter your mind that perhaps these men did in fact make the comments attributed to them by Mrs. Stone? It's obvious that when they walked into the Shoney's Restaurant they felt singled out. I say this because this concern was the emphasis of all of their appearances on TV. In fact, one of the men named Kambiz stated that they had "drawn the whole restaurant's attention" when they walked in. I'm sure this didn't set very well with them, and the bigoted comments about the South that they made to the press right after being released, made it all too obvious as to what their feelings were when they walked into that place. It's my belief that they probably noticed the looks and atmosphere in the place, quite possibly even noticed Mrs. Stone listening in on their conversation. And what went through their mind was this: If we're going to be looked at as if we're terrorists, why not play along. It's highly possible and more than probable that that is exaactly what happened. Even Mrs. Stone's son thought they had been joking and told her so. Mrs. Stone even questioned the validity of the conversation, and wondered if the men had indeed been joking with her. She admits to this freely. If she was lying or even trying to make more out of what these men had said, would she have even brought this possibility up?

I think you need to go back and check through all the facts of the case. It appears that you have been just as guilty of distorting what transpired at that Shoney's Restaurant as you claim Mrs. Stone is.

13 posted on 09/21/2002 12:22:32 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: mass55th
"Fine work, Paul. Thank you for crystalizing my thought so eloquently."

Sorry I was quoting old Dave Letterman shows again.

Seriously though, good letter.

14 posted on 09/21/2002 12:51:39 PM PDT by fineright
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To: SEGUET
1. He wasn't warning -- he was announcing the victory at Marathon.

2. He wasn't killed. He cried (in Greek), "Rejoice, we conquer" -- and dropped dead from his exertions.

3. A few days earlier, he had indeed run much farther to warn of the Persian invasion, helping to alert some of the troops who then marched to defend Greece. Again, no one killed him.

At least, those are stories of classical antiquity, and they're sticking to them!

15 posted on 09/21/2002 12:54:47 PM PDT by BohDaThone
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To: SEGUET
1. Do not listen to the lamestream media 2. Do not watch lamestream media TV 3. Quit buying the lamestream media newspapers 4. Quit supporting them.

I do not support any of the above FRiend. I stay aware of what is going on in the lamestream through FR and other sources. We do need to stay aware of their position, as that is the only way we can refute them and their socialist agenda.

16 posted on 09/21/2002 1:02:11 PM PDT by scholar
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To: cactusSharp
"personally,there would have never been an Alligator Alley stoppage if it were me. I'd have pummeled those smartasses right smack on the spot. And won too."

You're a hell of a fine patriot, too. IM-neverbe-HO
You might've found me next to you for the donnybrook, at that.
I'd have been on your Right.

...why can't I have even ONE neighbor like you. Damnit!

17 posted on 09/21/2002 1:04:02 PM PDT by Landru
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To: BohDaThone
"He wasn't killed. He cried (in Greek), "Rejoice, we conquer" -- and dropped dead from his exertions."

That is not what Oliver Stone said - he said Rebok slipped him poison in his Gatorade - and I'm going with OS.
18 posted on 09/21/2002 1:04:04 PM PDT by SEGUET
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To: Rumierules
Dear Mr. Porter,

I realize you think of yourself as a pretty sharp reporter but one must ask how you conclude that Ms. Stone was A) eavsdroping and B) that she didn't get the facts right. I would think a sharp investigative reporter such as yourself would make every effort to dig really deep for the truth before writing such a piece without all the facts. I notice you didn't lambaste the tollbooth operator who claims that the front car blew thru without paying, yet her story is also in conflict with the three Arab gentlemen. Also, I notice that you did not lambaste the bomb sniffing dog either. Even though that dog did get a scent of some chemical that these three Arab men have explained away, obviously to your satisfaction, with it being related to their profession as doctors. Since you have chosen not to skewer either the tollbooth person nor the bomb sniffing dog I must conclude that you either completely ignored this when coming to your conclusion regarding Ms. Stone or you forgot to analyze these two events in with Ms. Stone's allegations. Either way it shows shabby investigative reporting on your behalf. This leads to only one course of action for you Mr. Porter, you must immediately retract your poisonous pennings against Ms. Stone and offer her your deepest apologies and learn that calling yourself an investigative reporter does not make you one.

Yours truly,

Robert DeLong
19 posted on 09/21/2002 1:05:26 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong; scholar; KLT; Mudboy Slim; sultan88; ForGod'sSake
~eh you guys; check out #19.

Simply excellent and without equal.

Nice job, Mr. DeLong; very nice, indeed.

...think the pinhead urinalist will understand a single word? ;^)

20 posted on 09/21/2002 1:25:31 PM PDT by Landru
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To: Rumierules
Does "bring it down" -- words spoken by the Arab men during the restaurant discussion -- refer to detonating explosives to bring down a building? Or were the men talking about bringing another car down to Florida?

The "bring down a car" story was not floated out until Sunday night when they consulted with their legal team.

Eunice did hear "bring it down" correctly by the students' own admission.

Eunice did hear correctly what the students' destination was.

Eunice did not state that the men where speaking in Arabic (as the press reported).

Eunice was not a waitress at Shoney's (as was reported).

Eunice did not use her (18 year old) son's crayons to write down the information.

Eunice's son did hear the same conversation, he thought that they may have just been pulling her leg (razz the locals).

The students did alledge that she "added some salt and pepper" to her story.

She was called a liar (because she reported her suspicions).

She was called a racist (because of who she claimed made the statements).

Nothing that has come out has cleared the men of making jokes in bad taste at the restaurant. They have shown themselves to be arrogant.

If police stopped me and I knew that I had done nothing wrong, I'd be wary about answering their questions, too. Remember part of the Miranda warning that police give suspects goes like this: "Anything you say can be used against you."

How can something be used against you when you didn't do anything in the first place? "Anything you say can be used against you" is to prevent you from confessing your crimes without proper legal counsel. Ever answer a cop when he pulls you over and asks, "Do you know why I pulled you over?"

If the men did deliberately razz the woman, then yes they have committed a terrorist hoax. Same as a jealous woman sending "anthrax" to her competitor. Nothing to back up the threat but the threat was made all the same.

21 posted on 09/21/2002 1:29:08 PM PDT by weegee
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To: Rumierules
It would be awful if an overzealous officer took an innocent comment and twisted it into an indictment. Even though the three young men -- all medical students -- have been cleared of terrorist activities, their reputations have been harmed.

Say you were working in a strip joint and 3 young middle eastern men -- all training to be pilots -- are making statements derogatory statements about America and claiming, "just you wait until tomorrow". Oh, that's right, some people don't believe that terrorists would reveal their plans in English.

And as far as the scholarly background, Osama's right hand man was a doctor, Arafat was an engineer, and a Jewish doctor in Miami was turned in by his wife for planning to blow up some mosques. Naw, I guess that only unemployed high school drop outs commit acts of terrorism.

22 posted on 09/21/2002 1:34:17 PM PDT by weegee
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To: Landru; Robert DeLong
"Nice job, Mr. DeLong; very nice, indeed. ...think the pinhead urinalist will understand a single word?"

Nice letter. I may use it as a model for my e-mail to this idiot reporter...if you don't mind.

23 posted on 09/21/2002 6:47:20 PM PDT by sultan88
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To: Landru
This is the epitome of chutzpah on behalf of this sickening Liberal-Socialist quisling-pinhead Urinalist & the rag he craps for.

Looks like the Hate America; Hate Americans bunch is still at it.

If this incident would have happened just twenty years ago, what would the likely outcome have been? These three foreign scholars would likely have gotten a well deserved ass whoopin' for their insolence. Isn't tolerance wonderful?

America's media; Terrorism's Best Friend!!

FGS

24 posted on 09/21/2002 9:39:22 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake
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